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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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Torquill
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The philosopher's did not die in early 20th century. The founding members may died around then (that's the only thing I can assume the time line refers too, since it just says "The last of the philosopher's dies") but they were still around well into the 60s at least. MGS3 establishes this. The Patriots were not created until the 70s. MGS
O establishes that.
O establishes that.chespace said:
Crazy, it seems all the numbuts who post like, 7 times in this thread are all over me. Oddly enough, most of them are the same ones who are dropping negative connotations to MGS fans. Hmmm....
He is passing judgment, especially when he emphasizes the fact that it's not 'the best game'. He even went as far as to repeat it, and get specific. What other reason would he have to post that, if only to say we're all full of shit? None. Those statements could be completely absent from his post, and the tone changes drastically. But it's those statements that really just irk me. It's like "hey, here's my opinion, it's well written, but I'm going to finish it off by indirectly suggesting we are really pushing the envelope, the game isn't that good, not the game of blah blah blah, etc.
But yea, let's group everyone into one massive fanboy clique, that's the solution, when you can provide decent discussion, just take jabs at someone and call 'em a fanboy. Genius.
CurseoftheGods said:
I'm wondering this too. Just beat MGS2 a little while ago again and it was implied that Olga's kid was still in the hands of the Patriots, but because Snake had the disc with the names of the Patriots, he believes they can somehow trace their source and get the kid.
Suddenly at the opening of MGS4 Sunny is living with Snake and Otacon on a plane? Is it ever explained?
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Cyberia said:
:lol
Finished it earlier today and loved it very, very much. I'll have to play it again to make up my mind whether it's better than MGS3, but it was really, really great.
One of the questions after I have after the credits rolled concern Naomi:
One of the questions after I have after the credits rolled concern Naomi:
What is her relationship with vamp exactly? They're both being kept alive by nanomachines but that can't be the whole explanation of how close she seems to be to him, can it?
SnakeXs said:
She is actually mentioned in a Codec message in Act 4. All I remember is I'm in the
Warhead storage area, and I think it was before I had to go to Otacon's office. Just randomly calling him, and Snake asked about "what the dwarf gecko" were. Otacon mentions that she found some information about them. Not alot, but it does mention her.
Prince of Space
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Damn right I'm passing judgment on a game I payed for. What's wrong with that?tha_con said:
Adding "And anyone who thinks it is the GOTY is a tard" would've changed my post drastically. If you think it's the best game you've ever played, more power to you.
Let's just focus on talking about MGS4's strengths and weaknesses.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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So.... what does La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo stand for?
Crazymoogle
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NME said:
Actually,
No,
And FYI, there is a pack of chaff in Act 2. From what I can tell there probably isn't more than 4 drops across the entire game though.
I think Rose and Campbell were really there up to a point, with the game switching over in Arsenal (where GW took over.) Without that initial involvement, yeah, Campbell and Rose wouldn't really have any sort of connection. EE's worm at least disrupted GW so I suppose it is vaguely possible that Rose either escaped or was deemed a non-issue. ...Actually, I'm guessing that is the case; notice that she's not in hiding, so the Patriots don't think she is a big threat. However, her son could have been used as a big bargaining chip against Jack, so there's the flimsy reasoning again.
NME said:
No,
I think it was just an assigned name by the Patriots. Hell, I think it's pretty easy to assume Solid Snake's name was also assigned. To reinforce their individuality it seems pretty likely they had completely different names. Liquid (knowing of the Patriots and his utter contempt for them) probably has long since discarded his name.
And FYI, there is a pack of chaff in Act 2. From what I can tell there probably isn't more than 4 drops across the entire game though.
dreamer3kx
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Is Mass Effect good to play after beating mgs4 today?
shagg_187 said:So.... what does La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo stand for?
My understanding is that most people's nanomachines prevent them from pronouncing The Patriots, it just comes out as that.
I can only imagine how annoying the Super Bowl is in the future. :lol
dreamer3kx said:
I was really very mentally exhausted after all the cutscenes and such. Maybe get a good night's rest first. Mass Effect is a great game.
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kamorra said:
Meryl and Johnny's Pirates 3 moment was awful too. Come on, Meryl, you're better than that...
I have a question about the end of the game.
At the very end of the game, Big Boss says that the body they captured and placed into a hibernation (or whatever they called it) was Solidus. Zero was sure that Solidus was Big Boss and preserved his body. If this is true, then where the hell was Big Boss this whole time? and why didn't Zero know where he is?
victreeb3l
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end of act 2.
FUCKKKKKKKKK THAT WAS HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT please tell me he lives PLEASE TELL ME LIVES T_T_T_T__TT
Torquill
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User2k said:
Zero, or the proxy AIs, had the real Big Boss. EVA and Ocelot obtained BIg Boss' body sometime after MG2:SS but couldn't wake him up. Over time they rebuild his burned body with parts from Liquid and Solidus. In order to further protect the location of the real Big Boss remains, they used Soldius body, now picked clean, as a decoy. THey pretended that was BB in case th Patriots ever came after it. WHat's really going to cook your noodle is....well then why the hell was Ocelot after it if he supposedly already knew?
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Ending spoilers:
Big Boss CQCing Snake into a hug was pretty touching. A nice fit for Father's day.
Torquill said:Zero, or the proxy AIs, had the real Big Boss. EVA and Ocelot obtained BIg Boss' body sometime after MG2:SS but couldn't wake him up. Over time they rebuild his burned body with parts from Liquid and Solidus. In order to further protect the location of the real Big Boss remains, they used Soldius body, now picked clean, as a decoy. THey pretended that was BB in case th Patriots ever came after it. WHat's really going to cook your noodle is....well then why the hell was Ocelot after it if he supposedly already knew?
Because Solidus is a perfect clone of BB and thus has the same genetic code (which could be used to commandeer SOP
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"Snake, can love bloom during a mission briefing?"kamorra said:
Torquill
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User2k said:
Zero, or the proxy AIs, had the real Big Boss. EVA and Ocelot obtained BIg Boss' body sometime after MG2:SS but couldn't wake him up. Over time they rebuild his burned body with parts from Liquid and Solidus. In order to further protect the location of the real Big Boss remains, they used Soldius body, now picked clean, as a decoy. THey pretended that was BB in case th Patriots ever came after it. WHat's really going to cook your noodle is....well then why the hell was Ocelot after it if he supposedly already knew?
ScissorHands
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Ok, where are the
Figurines you are suppose to collect after every BB fight after draining their Psyche gauge?
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Elbrain said:
This is one of the reasons I was soooo happy to go into the game spoiler free.. I literally thought the game was over at that point. I got chills of excitement and shock when it cut to the sence and you hear Big Boss's voice and see his leg. Man oh man what a fantastic ending.
A couple weeks ago someone in this thread screwed up spoiler tags saying "Raiden is Snakes son" and i'm like omfg how and this really sucks it was spoiled for me but it turns out that was all just BS and it wasn't even possible anyway!
Still trying to put all my feelings into words and theres still some things i'm not quite sure of. One of the big things is why Ocelot wanted to become Liquid? Why Liquid was doing the things he did. It was 8 in the morning and I was up all night so I couldn't make much sense out of that. I'm going to watch the ending again today and play through the game a bunch more so i'm sure it will make more sense later on. If anyone would be so kind to explain this more to me that would be great.
A couple weeks ago someone in this thread screwed up spoiler tags saying "Raiden is Snakes son" and i'm like omfg how and this really sucks it was spoiled for me but it turns out that was all just BS and it wasn't even possible anyway!
Still trying to put all my feelings into words and theres still some things i'm not quite sure of. One of the big things is why Ocelot wanted to become Liquid? Why Liquid was doing the things he did. It was 8 in the morning and I was up all night so I couldn't make much sense out of that. I'm going to watch the ending again today and play through the game a bunch more so i'm sure it will make more sense later on. If anyone would be so kind to explain this more to me that would be great.
Ninja Kn1ght
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ScissorHands said:
During the fight agains the human form, look around the area and it should be there somewhere.
Torquill said:Zero, or the proxy AIs, had the real Big Boss. EVA and Ocelot obtained BIg Boss' body sometime after MG2:SS but couldn't wake him up. Over time they rebuild his burned body with parts from Liquid and Solidus. In order to further protect the location of the real Big Boss remains, they used Soldius body, now picked clean, as a decoy. THey pretended that was BB in case th Patriots ever came after it. WHat's really going to cook your noodle is....well then why the hell was Ocelot after it if he supposedly already knew?
Well since Solidus is a perfect clone, I imagine he could have used Solidus's (enter whatever they needed from BB's remains here) to access GW. Unless I misunderstood something.
JakOfTheShadows
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ScissorHands said:
Get the figures while they are in their beauty state after you defeat their beat state since for some of them you don't get to go back to the fight area after you neutralize their beauty state. Also, Im not 100% sure but I believe you might have to tranq their beast form for them to appear. There is one for the Frogs too if you tranq all of them in the hotel in Act 1. You can get Mantis's by using the doll on her even though it drains both her life and stamina when you use it. Hope this helps.
Torquill said:But he and EVA already had Big Boss
The guide only says EVA had big boss, with help from raiden. EVA and Ocelot must have split years ago.
Crazymoogle said:
So, basically,
John, Jack and Rose's child, parallels Sunny in MGS2, except that measures were taken to ensure his safety. As I think about it now, although I think Rose had no prior connection to Campbell, I do think that as a former Patriot herself, she probably understood the power they wield better than Raiden, a puppet in their scheme. Also, her status as a former Patriot and her involvement in the Big Shell mission would make it very clear to her just how capable a soldier Solid Snake is. I like to think that, equipped with this knowledge, Rose took it upon herself to send Raiden away, claiming to have had a miscarriage, and then reached out to Roy Campbell, knowing that he would be the man that could convince Solid Snake to destroy The Patriots.
Of course, that theory implies Rose was possessed cunning and ingenuity that I don't think really came through in MGS4. It seemed more like Campbell took it upon himself to help protect John and Rose.
Of course, that theory implies Rose was possessed cunning and ingenuity that I don't think really came through in MGS4. It seemed more like Campbell took it upon himself to help protect John and Rose.
Crazymoogle said:
I like this theory. I can easily accept that
George Sears, and now that you mention it, David, are names manufactured by The Patriots. I was going to say that it would make Eva's reference to Snake as "David" awkward, but no, it makes all the sense in the world, doesn't it? I guess that explains why she continues to use the name Eva as well, despite that not being her given name.
Thanks, Crazymoogle!
Now where did (end game spoiler)
Raiden
new arm
both arms
cutting off his right arm to escape the rubble at Shadow Moses
Rocket786
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I'm still on Act I and the gameplay, controls and everything is superb now. I don't want to read through all these replies in fear of spoilers. But I was just looking for some impressions on the story without any spoilers please.
I felt that MGS3 had an incredibly emotional story and I loved every second of it. I also loved the story in part 1 and all the conspiracies of part 2, but the emotion of MGS3 has stuck with me more than the other games.
I'm wondering if the story in MGS4 will stick with me like MGS3 did. Can anyone give me their impressions on the story? Please no spoilers though! Thanks!
I felt that MGS3 had an incredibly emotional story and I loved every second of it. I also loved the story in part 1 and all the conspiracies of part 2, but the emotion of MGS3 has stuck with me more than the other games.
I'm wondering if the story in MGS4 will stick with me like MGS3 did. Can anyone give me their impressions on the story? Please no spoilers though! Thanks!
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