Metroid Prime 2 Echoes 1UP review - 8.5
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Society said:
I have a question - how come Metroid Prime fans are the touchiest of any group of gamers this gen? Does it come from years of defending a second-rate control scheme on message boards? Does it come from being a fan of a critically acclaimed game that the average gamer didn't like and only sold because it came as a pack-in? Does it come from having to have your game constantly compared to the greatest console FPS ... twice? I don't know, maybe you can help me.
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Razoric said:
That's actually the scores MP2 got in EGM (9's and a 10) and Nintendo fans were still pissed.
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Nerevar said:
:lol .. did you miss the huge explosion that happened all over the net when GS gave halo2 a 9.4 ... A 9.4 ....
Razoric said:
Personally, I think the whole "9.0-10.0" phenomenon only occurs with the "big" titles. When a game like Halo 2, GTA:SA, etc comes out, people assume that it's going to be at least a 9.0 title, then mainly focus on "how far over a nine will it be?". I always love wandering into the review threads for the high-profile games and see people throwing a hissy fit over a game getting "only" a 9.5 or something.
Of course, even with the games that aren't the super-popular ones, the scoring range really only goes from about 6-9ish anyway...
SantaCruzer said:
Well, you can't really evaluate backtracking in and of itself. It has to be taken in the context of the areas you're backtracking through. Take a game like The Wind Waker, for example, which really made tedious backtracking and travelling into an art form. I found the original Metroid Prime's backtracking to be pretty well done, myself. There were enough shortcuts through the levels to make it not overly tedious, and you were often strong enough on the return trips to completely mop the floor with any enemies that were in your way.
Well, on the off chance that you're not trolling, I just thought you'd like to know that after beating the Omega Pirate, you can just leave through the other door in the room and go through about two rooms to leave the mines.
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Nerevar said:
What the hell is wrong with me. Goes to CP, changes password to jibberish, changes e-mail to an invalid address (So the account is locked down and I don't have the password to re-enter my valid e-mail.
So long assholes. The good people aren't worth putting up with shitholes that are the majority.
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Project Midway said:
This never gets old!
lol
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SantaCruZer said:
Yeah the good news is there will be a lot of second hand gamecubes for people to buy when they want to play Zelda.
Nerevar said:
I just have a problem with some the reviewers points, the 8.5 score doesn't bother me in the least considering that the game seems to have less areas and doesn't seem fresher than the first MP. Plus I imagine that people would be beating up the controls.
The whole issue of backtracking and the sci-fi archeologist argument bothered me because those are essentially a part of the soul of Metroid. Take them away, and you have something else. I would like to see Retro make an original FPS or adventure game, but I don't want them to erase the core part of the Metroid design in an attepmt to be different. I think there still room to creative in the current design scheme.
SantaCruZer said:
Well, I dislike backtracking, dislike collecting items, and will stay far away from MP2, but it is in the spirit of the old games.
On the other hand, I don't remember the old school Metroid games being about crappy controls which: are unnecessarily complicated for the sake of atmosphere (gimmick visors), don't let you see the edges of the platforms you are jumping thru unless you stop, don't let you see and target the enemyes above and below you unless you stop, are substandard and clunkyer for exploration (no free strafe for platform alignment, and again no free look) than most other games currently in the market.
So there seems to be some double standard at work around here.
MP's backtracking and "unconventional" controls annoy many people, as this board proves.
Is a reviewer's duty to point it out, so that people don't risk getting disappointed after a purchase.
Many people here, who blind themselves and fail to see the limits of what they like, would make lousy reviewers.
"Controls? PERFECT, IF ONE DOESNT LIKE THEM HE MUST HAVE SOME BRAIN DAMAGE, SO ILL NOT MENTION ANY POSSIBLE PROBLEM WITH THEM IN MY REVIEW!"
"Backtracking? IS NOT WORTH MENTIONING ITS PRESENCE CAUSE IS FUN AND SHOULD OBVIOUSLY BE UNIVERSALLY PERCEIVED SO!"
Maybe the reviewer of 1up got his feeling too much on the way (didn't read carefully), but at least he did his job of mentioning the issues that will turn off a significant number if people.
Much better than many fans here, who completely dismiss those potential issues, and would write an useless article failing to help people realize if they will like the game or not.
Backtracking, if done wrong, is a valid complaint. Sure every Metroid has it but most of the time it's implemented in such a way that you don't really "feel" it or it's not annoying. Maybe in MP2 it's just not as fun or something wasn't implemented right. I wouldn't call the reviewer out until, you know, I actually played it for myself.
Culex said:
Nintendo packs in do. They're scanned in over the desk, but not charged,
The pack in began when? January of 2003?
I think i have Dec 2002 NPD. Off the top of my head, MP sold 400k+ in its first month (Nov) i remember people taking the piss out of SplinterCell 200k, then in dec it done 300k. Matt posted the software and hardware sales at IGN.
Not sure though, i'll check the old NPDs on my other computer. Cant believe i kept old NPDs :lol
Ar_ said:
Two very good points. Backtracking can be executed in a less than satisfactory way, Metroid game or not. I always felt that the the 2D traditional Metroid games made backtracking more fun and less painful because of powerups such as the screw attack, space jump, and speed boots/shinespark. Also, in general it just takes less time to get around in a 2D game.Razoric said:
Backtracking in the Metroid Prime game(s) is not equal in all respects to that of the older Metroid titles, and if it's inferior in execution the reviewer should say so.
Teddman said:
The problem is, I got the feeling that the reviewer just hated backtracking period. There's no detail explanation of how it fails. Again, this is why I disagree with parts of the review--he writes about disliking components of Metroids design, not about how well or poorly they are implemented.
The backtracking is not linear. I bet of the 3 major reviews (EGM, IGN, Gamespot), they all did it a different way. Metroid games are very deep. Most people will not even use advanced move let alone find there own path through the game. Of course you can never mention depth, sequence breaking, or speed tricks in a Metroid game, as casuals will always scream 'that is not the way it was meant to be played'.
Ah yes, forgot about that one.
Prine said:
Ah yes, forgot about that one.
Do The Mario
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I dont understand why metroid fans always argue back tracking is apart of metroid if a reviewer doesnt enjoy back tracking I believe he has the right to mark the game down because of it.
- Much like Razoric said how the back tracking is done is very important (mp did this well despite the fact I personally didnt love the back tracking)
To be honest I only bought MP about two months ago and finished it soon after, while it was a great game I would put it in the same basket as Pikmin, SMS, WW and SSB:M, so I expected this kind of score from the squeal.
Anyway I cant wait for the insane boss battles which are what makes the game so great, at the moment I am on the fence. Should buy the game now or when the price drops?
Maybe I will wait for some impression on GAF!
- Much like Razoric said how the back tracking is done is very important (mp did this well despite the fact I personally didnt love the back tracking)
To be honest I only bought MP about two months ago and finished it soon after, while it was a great game I would put it in the same basket as Pikmin, SMS, WW and SSB:M, so I expected this kind of score from the squeal.
Anyway I cant wait for the insane boss battles which are what makes the game so great, at the moment I am on the fence. Should buy the game now or when the price drops?
Maybe I will wait for some impression on GAF!
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I thought he justified his criticism of backtracking well enough:
He ties it into the earlier criticism that MP2 seems to have less new areas than the first MP:
I'd say that if going back for powerups is often more trouble than it's worth--and if the ratio of backtracking to exploring new areas isn't well balanced--that's a valid criticism.
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Wasn't that fennec who gave driver an 8.5? And a different member who did this one?
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BatiGOOOOOOL
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What the fuck is wrong with all this people complaining about MP/MP2 controls? I'm one of the shittiest gamers on the planet and in five minutes I had Samus jumping and exploring all over the place in both the original and the MP2 demo. It's so fucking easy to control, I just can't fathom what kind of retards have problems with it. Maybe if these persons stopped thinking about it as a PC FPS, the whining would stop.
