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[Godot25]

So Jimbo basically knew that Microsoft won't forclose Call of Duty from Playstation and yet he was still spreading PR bullshit.

I'm shocked

/s

 

[feynoob]

So Jimbo basically knew that Microsoft won't forclose Call of Duty from Playstation and yet he was still spreading PR bullshit.

I'm shocked

/s

Were you living in a cave?
This is a normal tactic to make your opponent look bad.

 

[Topher]

So Jimbo basically knew that Microsoft won't forclose Call of Duty from Playstation and yet he was still spreading PR bullshit.

I'm shocked

/s

Was this a saved post from 500 pages ago or something?

 

[LordCBH]

Was this a saved post from 500 pages ago or something?

I think he meant to post it on a different account.

 

[Godot25]

Were you living in a cave?
This is a normal tactic to make your opponent look bad.

I know.

It's just funny in context of many users in this thread who pretended that first thing that Microsoft will do after merger is to remove future COD games from Playstation without contract.

 

[Godot25]

Was this a saved post from 500 pages ago or something?

Nah. I'm talking about recent PI document

"First, there is no evidence to support the FTC's central theory that Xbox will take COD away from Playstation. The FTC does not cite a single document or witness even suggesting this will happen. On the contrary, Jim Ryan, the CEO of SIE, and the chief commercial opponent of this deal, said privately on the day it was announced REDACTED. Withholding COD would harm Xbox. It would contradict the valuation the Board relied on in approving the deal, which assumed profits from continued Playstation sales. It would cut off highly lucrative income stream to one of Microsoft REDACTED. And it would make COD a worse game and enrage the gaming community, because much of the game's popularity steams from the way it brings together players who use competing consoles. It is therefore unsurprising that every single worldwide regulator that has examined the deal other than the FTC has rejected this theory, including both the EC and the CMA"

 

[feynoob]

I know.

It's just funny in context of many users in this thread who pretended that first thing that Microsoft will do after merger is to remove future COD games from Playstation without contract.

We dont know shit. That is why we are here. Otherwise we would making boatload of money and nice round in the bahamas beach.

 

[The Pleasure]

Welcome to America.

Terrorist,

Your game is through. Cause now you have to answer to AMERICA.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

Terrorist,

Your game is through. Cause now you have to answer to AMERICA.

 

[Brigandier]

Actvision worth more than UK market for Microsoft. They should just go ahead and close the deal.

Glad you're banned, This post alone deserves a perm.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Nah. I'm talking about recent PI document

"First, there is no evidence to support the FTC's central theory that Xbox will take COD away from Playstation. The FTC does not cite a single document or witness even suggesting this will happen. On the contrary, Jim Ryan, the CEO of SIE, and the chief commercial opponent of this deal, said privately on the day it was announced REDACTED. Withholding COD would harm Xbox. It would contradict the valuation the Board relied on in approving the deal, which assumed profits from continued Playstation sales. It would cut off highly lucrative income stream to one of Microsoft REDACTED. And it would make COD a worse game and enrage the gaming community, because much of the game's popularity steams from the way it brings together players who use competing consoles. It is therefore unsurprising that every single worldwide regulator that has examined the deal other than the FTC has rejected this theory, including both the EC and the CMA"

Lots of "redacted" info about the source giving hearsay about a so-called knee jerk reaction comment by Jim on the day, a comment, that if true lacked any formal analysis.

We've all seen Exclusive Bethesda, after Microsoft's comments. Only a fool would think long and hard about this acquisition and conclude there was no way that Microsoft could take CoD away at the earliest opportunity - even if it cost them $69b to take away £2b in revenue from PlayStation each year.

 

[feynoob]

We like some freedom.

 

[Topher]

Nah. I'm talking about recent PI document

"First, there is no evidence to support the FTC's central theory that Xbox will take COD away from Playstation. The FTC does not cite a single document or witness even suggesting this will happen. On the contrary, Jim Ryan, the CEO of SIE, and the chief commercial opponent of this deal, said privately on the day it was announced REDACTED. Withholding COD would harm Xbox. It would contradict the valuation the Board relied on in approving the deal, which assumed profits from continued Playstation sales. It would cut off highly lucrative income stream to one of Microsoft REDACTED. And it would make COD a worse game and enrage the gaming community, because much of the game's popularity steams from the way it brings together players who use competing consoles. It is therefore unsurprising that every single worldwide regulator that has examined the deal other than the FTC has rejected this theory, including both the EC and the CMA"

Only part about Jimbo in that is redacted. I do think it is funny how they reference the CMA when it is convenient. PR bullshit works both ways, doesn't it?

I know.

It's just funny in context of many users in this thread who pretended that first thing that Microsoft will do after merger is to remove future COD games from Playstation without contract.

Yep. Lots of Xbox fans were saying the same thing.

 

[feynoob]

Glad you're banned, This post alone deserves a perm.

Dude had twitter ego.

 

[Calverz]

And? Sony only cared for console SLC, they never addmited cloud is an issue for them. But CMA is looking at a bigger picture.

You're behaving like what he said somehow contradicts Jim Ryan's stance.

Why is that an issue?

What does that change with the case though? CMA see cloud gaming as a separate market to console so his comments don't conflict, not only that they dropped console market concerns.

Besides cloud gaming concerns isn't just about Sony.

That doesn't make a difference here. It's the CMA that's blocking the deal not Sony.

So looks like Microsoft are using his quote as ammunition in the FTC thing? Hmmmm, as I said, I’m sure Jim Ryan was delighted!

 

[feynoob]

adamsapple
Here is what ifs.

 

[adamsapple]

adamsapple
Here is what ifs.

So just like Zenimax ?

 

[feynoob]

So just like Zenimax ?

Zenimax isn't it's own. It's part of Xbox.
Activision would have act as its own company.

That is why they made MS gaming division.

Think of it like PS and Bungie.

 

[dotnotbot]

So looks like Microsoft are using his quote as ammunition in the FTC thing? Hmmmm, as I said, I’m sure Jim Ryan was delighted!

They can use whatever they want as ammo, Sony aren't experts that should decide whether it's an important market or not.

 

[Topher]

So looks like Microsoft are using his quote as ammunition in the FTC thing? Hmmmm, as I said, I’m sure Jim Ryan was delighted!

Why are you quoting me from the Redfall review thread?

 

[Calverz]

Why are you quoting me from the Redial review thread?

Hahaha I have no idea man. I didn’t recognise it. I’ll amend.

 

[Topher]

Hahaha I have no idea man. I didn’t recognise it. I’ll amend.

lol.....I was trying hard to connect those dots in my head.

 

[demigod]

Why are you quoting me from the Redfall review thread?

He’s been saving it for revenge.

 

[Calverz]

lol.....I was trying hard to connect those dots in my head.

Lol sorry. I think using my phone mostly to view this forum, I probably hit quote button by accident and then haven’t done a multi quote since.

 

[Topher]

Lol sorry. I think using my phone mostly to view this forum, I probably hit quote button by accident and then haven’t done a multi quote since.

No worries man. It happens

 

[Calverz]

They can use whatever they want as ammo, Sony aren't experts that should decide whether it's an important market or not.

Sony can be classed as experts. They bought galkai years ago and had psnow streaming service for long enough.

 

[X-Wing]

Zenimax isn't it's own. It's part of Xbox.
Activision would have act as its own company.

That is why they made MS gaming division.

Think of it like PS and Bungie.

Yeah except that is exactly the same wording they used about Zenimax.

 

[Iced Arcade]

So Jimbo basically knew that Microsoft won't forclose Call of Duty from Playstation and yet he was still spreading PR bullshit.

I'm shocked

/s

Jim is as full of shit as Phil and Phil is flooded leaking turds from his eye lids.

 

[MasterCornholio]

So looks like Microsoft are using his quote as ammunition in the FTC thing? Hmmmm, as I said, I’m sure Jim Ryan was delighted!

Actually Sony was mad when they rejected the console argument. They definitely didn't want a block based on the cloud market.

 

[Calverz]

Actually Sony was mad when they rejected the console argument. They definitely didn't want a block based on the cloud market.

Sony will take a block on whatever reason is available. The guy dropped a bollock saying that when he did. It was obvious Microsoft were going to quote him.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Sony will take a block on whatever reason is available. The guy dropped a bollock saying that when he did. It was obvious Microsoft were going to quote him.

Not exactly. For Sony it would be better if the block was on the console market. Because if it was it would make future blocks based on that easier. Its the market that Sont is most interested in at the moment.

 

[Banjo64]

So looks like Microsoft are using his quote as ammunition in the FTC thing? Hmmmm, as I said, I’m sure Jim Ryan was delighted!

File it right next to citing Tom Warren in their previous submissions.

 

[Banjo64]

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[feynoob]

Sony will take a block on whatever reason is available. The guy dropped a bollock saying that when he did. It was obvious Microsoft were going to quote him.

No, console block means big acquision wont go through. It will have been a great win for them.
If it werent for the extension deadline, the cloud block could have seen a different outcome.

 

[Varteras]

Jim is as full of shit as Phil and Phil is flooded leaking turds from his eye lids.

Jesus Christ! My mind's eyes!

 

[Mr Moose]

So just like Zenimax ?

Yeah, like cancelling the PS5 versions of games in development.

 

[Calverz]

File it right next to citing Tom Warren in their previous submissions.

A Sony exec versus a journalist. Ok dude.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

No, console block means big acquision wont go through. It will have been a great win for them.
If it werent for the extension deadline, the cloud block could have seen a different outcome.

There is no acquisition this size other than Nintendo in this gaming space. So that doesn't hold much water.

 

[feynoob]

There is no acquisition this size other than Nintendo in this gaming space. So that doesn't hold much water.

This is bigger than nintendo. Its the largest gaming purchase. Its close to Sony entire worth.

 

[Varteras]

There is no acquisition this size other than Nintendo in this gaming space. So that doesn't hold much water.

I feel that a console block would have established some kind of boundary that could have been extrapolated beyond just simply "largest allowed purchase". It may very well have been used to estimate an allowed purchase of something like EA or T2 based on the relative strength of the company in that space. Without a block based on consoles, it feels like, more or less, there are no limits. At least for Xbox in that space.

 

[feynoob]

I feel that a console block would have established some kind of boundary that could have been extrapolated beyond just simply "largest allowed purchase". It may very well have been used to estimate an allowed purchase of something like EA or T2 based on the relative strength of the company in that space. Without a block based on consoles, it feels like, more or less, there are no limits. At least for Xbox in that space.

With CMA ruling, MS can simply offer unlimited license to all cloud companies without any deadline contract and that would pass purchases like take 2, EA or other big publishers.
Console block needed to stop moves like that.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I feel that a console block would have established some kind of boundary that could have been extrapolated beyond just simply "largest allowed purchase". It may very well have been used to estimate an allowed purchase of something like EA or T2 based on the relative strength of the company in that space. Without a block based on consoles, it feels like, more or less, there are no limits. At least for Xbox in that space.

There is no block of ABK that would have lead to a future block of T2 or EA.

That just isn't how these things work.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

This is bigger than nintendo. Its the largest gaming purchase. Its close to Sony entire worth.

It's not close to Sony's entire worth...

Sony's market cap is 123 Billion dollars.

Nintendo's is 57 billion dollars.

 

[Dick Jones]

It's not close to Sony's entire worth...

Sony's market cap is 123 Billion dollars.

Nintendo's is 57 billion dollars.

I imagine they mean Playstation division

 

[feynoob]

It's not close to Sony's entire worth...

Sony's market cap is 123 Billion dollars.

Nintendo's is 57 billion dollars.

68b is like 55% of their valuation. While its higher than nintendo valuation.

 

[Varteras]

There is no block of ABK that would have lead to a future block of T2 or EA.

That just isn't how these things work.

A block of ABK due to console concerns would have established a limitation in that space for Xbox. From there, one would be able to reach reasonable conclusions on what that may mean for attempts at other large Western publishers. But only estimations. I did not say that it would lead to blocks. Only that boundaries in the console space for Xbox would have been established. I think Sony would have liked knowing that there are limits.

 

[Alex Scott]

68b is like 55% of their valuation. While its higher than nintendo valuation.

68B is also including premium. So Nintendo as a whole would cost bit more than ABK.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I imagine they mean Playstation division

PlayStation isn't worth more than Nintendo.

A block of ABK due to console concerns would have established a limitation in that space for Xbox. From there, one would be able to reach reasonable conclusions on what that may mean for attempts at other large Western publishers. But only estimations. I did not say that it would lead to blocks. Only that boundaries in the console space for Xbox would have been established. I think Sony would have liked knowing that there are limits.

Again, the size and scale comparison here isn't even close. You have no idea what you're talking about. There is no case where the blocking of this would have established set limits at least of companies smaller than ABK.

Every deal is different and has to be made on its own merits.

United was blocked from buying US Air, who would later be bought by American Airlines.

 

[Varteras]

PlayStation isn't worth more than Nintendo.



Again, the size and scale comparison here isn't even close. You have no idea what you're talking about. There is no case where the blocking of this would have established set limits at least of companies smaller than ABK.

Every deal is different and has to be made on its own merits.

United was blocked from buying US Air, who would later be bought by American Airlines.

If Microsoft was denied the ABK acquisition based on concerns of how that would impact the console space, it would give Sony a reference point for the likelihood of success in, instead, acquiring EA or T2. Both of which have highly valuable franchises. More to the point, it may create a situation where they could come to the reasonable conclusion that Microsoft would likely be allowed to pick up one, but not both. As both would probably be more damaging than ABK alone. If I'm Sony, this is valuable information to plan my moves. With ABK being allowed based on consoles, no such reference exists yet.

Also, don't be a dick.

 

[bobbyphunk]

When should we hear anything official when it comes to the ABK deal?