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[lovegames718]

A million times this.

Whats funny is that when kinect 2.0 gets 30 minutes worth of time and have mind blowing capability with illuminroom, these dudes will say kinect is trash, sony winz, game over...etc etc.

Most of the people that trolling this conference already are sony bots or are truly afraid MS curbstomping sony despite of gddr5 ram.

To sum it up, even if kinect 2.0 is the most revolutionary thing ever in videogaming. Haters gonna hate.

Yeah like Kinect aka Natal with Milo turned out to be this revolutionary way to play. You really think its Sony bots not feeding into the Kinect craze of ppl who have minds and see how garbage Kinect turned out to be and a waste. Kinect is part of the reason that hardcore gamers are shunning Xbox. Too much focus on Kinect is not good for us in anyway it just produces more shovelware.

 

[ari]

Yeah like Kinect aka Natal with Milo turned out to be this revolutionary way to play. You really think its Sony bots not feeding into the Kinect craze of ppl who have minds and see how garbage Kinect turned out to be and a waste. Kinect is part of the reason that hardcore gamers are shunning Xbox. Too much focus on Kinect is not good for us in anyway it just produces more shovelware.

Kinect sold a shit ton. Why would MS ignore money?

Also, who is shunning the xbox? Npd is stating otherwise.

 

[BigEvilTurtle]

Why are people going to discount Microsoft if they have Kinect 2.0? You don't have to use it. Christ.

 

[Raven77]

Yes, because Sony is short on gimmicks. Move and a new Kinect-inspired camera system say 'Hi'. You need to find fewer hypocritical reasons to choose Sony over Microsoft.

Guess you've never heard of the PS EYE...most technology is a progression of things that came before.

Like i've said 3 times now, I'm giving MS the benefit of the doubt. If they have karaoke games and show a belief that their "hardcore gamer" customer base will be appeased with annual Gears - Forza - Halo releases then i'm done with them. MS is morphing into something that I just really don't like, the opposite is happening with Sony.


I'm not a Sony fanboy, not really a fanboy of anything but traditional gaming.

 

[Baconsammy]

Guess you've never heard of the PS EYE...most technology is a progression of things that came before.

Like i've said 3 times now, I'm giving MS the benefit of the doubt. If they have karaoke games and show a belief that their "hardcore gamer" customer base will be appeased with annual Gears - Forza - Halo releases then i'm done with them.


I'm not a Sony fanboy, not really a fanboy of anything but traditional gaming.

What does hearing of PS Eye before mean in the context of you choosing Sony over MS due to MS relying on a gimmick? Sony is relying on two gimmicks. Are two gimmicks better than one for you?

Because they like Sony?

Of course they like Sony. And he likes Microsoft. A lot it seems. There's fanboys all over the place. I laughed during the Sony conference when they announced they were going to automatically download games to your system that they thought you'd like. Not a peep from Sony fans. If Microsoft had announced that first, they'd have torn them to shreds. I'm not saying it's bad to have allegiances. Some companies make me feel better about my purchases than others, and I prefer them for it. It's when that allegiance makes you a hypocrite that it gets a little sad.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Wonderbook, Move, and the Eye Toy are not even close to the same thing as Kinect in determining the philosophy between both companies.

Sony clearly developed all those properties merely to say they had a Wii Mote! a Camera! and VR!

They don't care if developers utilize them whatsoever they just create them so the casual gamer can look at the back of the box and say - "Hey the PS3 plays blu-ray movies and has a Wii-Mote Ill get that!"

I have said it before and I will say it again they are a bulletpoint company.

Kinect however, is paramount to MS. It is the foundation for the next system. It is the driving feature behind the OS. It is going to be the pillar of Durango.

People that are simply throwing out "Sony bias" have a really narrow view of the differences.

That being said I think Kinect 2.0 could be really amazing and the amount of integration it is going to have on the OS will open up all kinds of possibilities I am sure we are not even thinking of.

 

[ari]

Guess you've never heard of the PS EYE...most technology is a progression of things that came before.

Like i've said 3 times now, I'm giving MS the benefit of the doubt. If they have karaoke games and show a belief that their "hardcore gamer" customer base will be appeased with annual Gears - Forza - Halo releases then i'm done with them. MS is morphing into something that I just really don't like, the opposite is happening with Sony.


I'm not a Sony fanboy, not really a fanboy of anything but traditional gaming.

Sound like you made your mind up a long time ago.

 

[Raven77]

Sound like you made your mind up a long time ago.

Most of your comments don't make any sense to me. Do you just read the first 8 words?

Do you know what giving someone or something "the benefit of the doubt" means? It means that I was willing to give both MS and Sony a chance to show me they still care about traditional gaming. Sony clearly did this (no idea if they will follow through but they AT LEAST seem to be trying).

I'm hoping MS does as well.

 

[reson8or]

God I hate this.


Look, nobody is saying that them focusing on ALL gamers is a bad thing but you have to understand that the reason people get mad is best described through this anal-ogy I came up with.


Lets say you have a movie studio you love. They release 5 horror / action movies a year, every year and you mostly enjoy them all.

Well now they want to broaden their audience so they do 3 horror / action, 1 kids, and 1 for teen girls.


That is essentially what happens here. MS pushes funding and resources to make stuff that the hardcore gamer doesn't care about.

But hey, that's fine, the people they are making that stuff for deserves to have games made in their taste as well. That being said, its also a tough pill to swallow when you've supported the Xbox brand since day 1, bought many many games (which as a collective builds the brand for MS) and then they turn and start using their resources for stuff that you hate.

I mean no offense at all, however, if you recall, it was stated by Microsoft before the ORIGINAL Xbox even came out that MS was all about breaking into the living room space and that their console was a means to an end. If you did not know that, or chose to ignore it, that's on you.

That being said, I really hope MS has a great conference, as nothing raises the bar or quality like competition.

 

[Baconsammy]

I have said it before and I will say it again they are a bulletpoint company.

People need to start listening to you more. Level-headed, concise, and accurate.

 

[Leflus]

Why are people going to discount Microsoft if they have Kinect 2.0? You don't have to use it. Christ.

Because it's going to give you cooties.

I feel like both sides are setting themselves up for some major crow eating by being so sure about what the Durango is all about.
It could be a Kinectbox, a gamer's dream or something in the middle. We don't know yet.

The wait for the announcement is going to be excruciating...

 

[sangreal]

Yes, because Sony is short on gimmicks. Move and a new Kinect-inspired camera system say 'Hi'. You need to find fewer hypocritical reasons to choose Sony over Microsoft.

but Sony would never let their shitty gimmicks ruin "core" games

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

People need to start listening to you more. Level-headed, concise, and accurate.

Haha Bacon I didn't realize that was you. Awesome new avatar.

 

[ari]

Most of your comments don't make any sense to me. Do you just read the first 8 words?

Do you know what giving someone or something "the benefit of the doubt" means?

But you know kinect will be a focus in some form at the conference. Everyone knows that and expect games to use it. Its like you are just preparing to jump on the sony bandwagon either way. No matter what else they show.
,

 

[BlastProcessing]

sony have move technology in the DS4 and the ps4 will ship with cameras, on top of that, ps3 games isnt compatible so sony eill have to build around it.

Lolololi

The difference is, the Move actually worked. There wasn't much software for it and not much of it was good but the at least it was accurate. The kinect works 80% of the time and I think I am being generous with that estimate. If Kinect 2.0 actually works then people will come around to it.

 

[Wigdogger]

Putting aside the unkowns (horsepower, DRM, features), I'm feeling pretty good about what MS might bring to the table at their event in terms of games. I had never actually checked the wiki for Microsoft Game Studios, and I was surprised to learn that they now have 21 development studios and five non-game studios (Xbox Live, engineering, dashboard, etc.) For the 21 game studios, 13 are in the U.S., five are in the U.K., and three are in Canada.

From Canada, you've got Black Tusk working on a next-gen game, you've got MGS Victoria working on a next gen game, and then you've got something more from Big Park (JoyRide devs).

For U.K. studios, Lionhead is cooking up something big (apparently an MMO), and you've got to think RARE has a game or two in the hopper. Then you have Press Play making a next-gen product, and then Lift London and Soho are both working on XBLA/cloud/other projects.

For the U.S., you've 343 and Turn10, the known commodities, working on Halo and Forza for, likely, year two of the console. Connected Experiences and MGS LA are both working on big next-gen games, as is Platform Next Studios. Then you've got Skybox Sports actually making a next-gen MS sports game (who knows?), and you've got Twisted Pixel and Good Science cranking out next-gen XBLA titles. Finally, there are a few more scattered studios working on Kinect products.

All of this doesn't even factor in money-hatted second party games (Crackdown, Gears, Alan Wake) or third-party exclusives from Bethesda, EA and the like.

 

[DEADEVIL]

There is so much "wrong" in that comment idk where to even begin...

Forza Horizon sold well well below expectations so to say that game gives them any big advantage at all is just flat out incorrect if you look at it from a sales perspective.

Gears is also in decline, look at the lack of hype of this new one, whatever its called.


Halo was made by Bungie, we'll see how well the series can hold up without their guidance.

And about the Sony IP's, really? Only Gran Turismo?

...okay, not sure what planet you live on but it isn't Earth.

Gears 3 showed The series isn't in any real decline. The new game is simply a spinoff and even that one is going to sell.

Are you really pretending 343i needed Bungie to make Halo 4 when it's selling at a faster pace than any Bungie Halo ever?

If Gears sales and Halo sales are in the decline then what does it show about Sony when MS has had the biggest selling exclusive every single year of since launch.

Halo will still sell milioins next gen and still be the biggest system seller for MS next gen when the next installment of the trilogy is released. If the true team from Epic launched next gen as an exclusive on the 360 it will be just as huge of bigger come next gen as well.

 

[BlastProcessing]

'Yoga is not a game' ran during the Chamions League?

I said similar format.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

You guys remember the E3 when MS first showed Kinect? That made me and a lot of other people believers. The excitement on gaf was palpable. Now the actual system didn't live up to the scope of some of those promises but it got pretty close on some of them. With the console being built around its feature set we are going to see amazing stuff. I anticipate a lot of people that are anti-kinect now being genuinely impressed by what they show. At the end of the day all of us want to be wowed and surprised and I think people discounting Kinect because they played Star Wars on it and thought it was ass are going to be really surprised at the gaming and media landscape MS is putting together.

 

[Raven77]

But you know kinect will be a focus in some form at the conference. Everyone knows that and expect games to use with it. Its like you are just preparing to jump on the sony bandwagon either way. No matter what else they show.
,

Not trying to be confrontational, but where did I say I don't want them to focus on Kinect at all?

I have said 4-5 times in this thread that it needs to be more than a gimmick. I want a compelling reason to own it, like Milo, or something.

 

[ari]

I dont use kinect at all, and i prefer it that. But the damn thing sold 27 million world wide. I mean jeesh people.

 

[Tripp Daily]

Some intelligent discussion going on in here.

Double negatives abound...

 

[Wynnebeck]

Wonderbook, Move, and the Eye Toy are not even close to the same thing as Kinect in determining the philosophy between both companies.

Sony clearly developed all those properties merely to say they had a Wii Mote! a Camera! and VR!

They don't care if developers utilize them whatsoever they just create them so the casual gamer can look at the back of the box and say - "Hey the PS3 plays blu-ray movies and has a Wii-Mote Ill get that!"

I have said it before and I will say it again they are a bulletpoint company.

Kinect however, is paramount to MS. It is the foundation for the next system. It is the driving feature behind the OS. It is going to be the pillar of Durango.

People that are simply throwing out "Sony bias" have a really narrow view of the differences.

That being said I think Kinect 2.0 could be really amazing and the amount of integration it is going to have on the OS will open up all kinds of possibilities I am sure we are not even thinking of.

Ether.

 

[Leflus]

Putting aside the unkowns (horsepower, DRM, features), I'm feeling pretty good about what MS might bring to the table at their event in terms of games. I had never actually checked the wiki for Microsoft Game Studios, and I was surprised to learn that they now have 21 development studios and five non-game studios (Xbox Live, engineering, dashboard, etc.) For the 21 game studios, 13 are in the U.S., five are in the U.K., and three are in Canada.

From Canada, you've got Black Tusk working on a next-gen game, you've got MGS Victoria working on a next gen game, and then you've got something more from Big Park (JoyRide devs).

For U.K. studios, Lionhead is cooking up something big (apparently an MMO), and you've got to think RARE has a game or two in the hopper. Then you have Press Play making a next-gen product, and then Lift London and Soho are both working on XBLA/cloud/other projects.

For the U.S., you've 343 and Turn10, the known commodities, working on Halo and Forza for, likely, year two of the console. Connected Experiences and MGS LA are both working on big next-gen games, as is Platform Next Studios. Then you've got Skybox Sports actually making a next-gen MS sports game (who knows?), and you've got Twisted Pixel and Good Science cranking out next-gen XBLA titles. Finally, there are a few more scattered studios working on Kinect products.

All of this doesn't even factor in money-hatted second party games (Crackdown, Gears, Alan Wake) or third-party exclusives from Bethesda, EA and the like.

While I share your optimism for Microsoft Studios, it needs to be said that some of those studios are probably not working on games.

MS LA and Skybox Sports sounds like TV and entertainment studios. Press Play is a game developer, but they're focusing on mobile gaming. That still leaves a lot of other studios though.

Personally, I'm interested in seeing what Rare, Lionhead, Twisted Pixel and Black Tusk are working on.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Who but almost 27 million kinects then?

Your trying to say that sales = quality?
You must be new to this.

 

[Raven77]

Who but almost 27 million kinects then?

You realize that about 85% of those sales were with the pack in bundle right? Which MS basically made it such a RIDICULOUSLY better deal money wise that people bought it with Kinect by default.

 

[BlastProcessing]

You guys remember the E3 when MS first showed Kinect? That made me and a lot of other people believers. The excitement on gaf was palpable. Now the actual system didn't live up to the scope of some of those promises but it got pretty close on some of them. With the console being built around its feature set we are going to see amazing stuff. I anticipate a lot of people that are anti-kinect now being genuinely impressed by what they show. At the end of the day all of us want to be wowed and surprised and I think people discounting Kinect because they played Star Wars on it and thought it was ass are going to be really surprised at the gaming and media landscape MS is putting together.

It just needs to work this time. And actually working in the dimensions of my room would be also be nice, but if it works I will find a way to rearrange things.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

It just needs to work this time. And actually working in the dimensions of my room would be also be nice, but if it works I will find a way to rearrange things.

We know accuracy and scope of the camera were two of the main focuses with the new system.

Double negatives abound...

I don't think you know what that means Tripp

 

[ari]

Not trying to be confrontational, but where did I say I don't want them to focus on Kinect at all?

I have said 4-5 times in this thread that it needs to be more than a gimmick. I want a compelling reason to own it, like Milo, or something.

But move is just as much as a gimmick the kinect is. Sure microsoft is developing more around the kinect but what is the wonderbook and other gimmicky stuff that came for the move?

That being said. Both companies want to capitalize on waggle. To say Microsoft is only dedicated to motion control only is ignoring what sony is doing with the move.

 

[blitzcloud]

I dont use kinect at all, and i prefer it that. But the damn thing sold 27 million world wide. I mean jeesh people.

I have 360 kinect (used), that I use in windows.

I don't have a 360.

 

[Wigdogger]

While I share your optimism for Microsoft Studios, it needs to be said that some of those studios are probably not working on games.

MS LA and Skybox Sports sounds like TV and entertainment studios. Press Play is a game developer, but they're focusing on mobile gaming. That still leaves a lot of other studios though.

Personally, I'm interested in seeing what Rare, Lionhead, Twisted Pixel and Black Tusk are working on.

Oh, I agree. I'm just going off the wiki, but if there's any truth to that, then there could be upwards of 8-10 first-party games for the first two years or so of the new console, not counting Kinect and XBLA exclusives.

RARE, Lionhead, MGS Victoria, Black Tusk, Turn10, 343, MGS LA, Platform Next Studios, Twisted Pixel and Connected Experiences all seem to be doing next-gen games that aren't Kinect (at least not exclusively), so that makes about 10 potentially meaningful games for the first couple of years of the system.

 

[Interfectum]

If MS really did double down on motion controls for next-box then they truly lost the plot. They can't be that stupid.

 

[Raven77]

When I first saw Kinect I was literally giddy with excitement. Telling my wife and friends about it...

Then I saw what they actually DID with it and how awful it turned out. It was a real heart breaker.


GOD please MS show some awesome compelling stuff like Milo at you're event, maybe an RTS (seems like it would work really well).

 

[Omegasquash]

If MS really did double down on motion controls for next-box then they truly lost the plot. They can't be that stupid.

They have more money than god. They can afford to be stupid once or twice.

That said, I'm not really interested in motion controls, but it's likely my son will be old enough to really enjoy it at that point so, if there's appropriate software that doesn't make me want to kill myself, then it's a probably buy.

 

[REMEMBER CITADEL]

You realize that about 85% of those sales were with the pack in bundle right? Which MS basically made it such a RIDICULOUSLY better deal money wise that people bought it with Kinect by default.

Oh, the things I'll read on GAF... Yeah, it was a RIDICULOUSLY better deal, just give us $99 more and we'll give you something you don't really want.

 

[abacab driver]

Why are people going to discount Microsoft if they have Kinect 2.0? You don't have to use it. Christ.

Well they gotta do it while they still can.

 

[reson8or]

In the perfect scenario, the one where Kinnect delivers on the promises it initially made, and tosses in new features that weren't possible before:

Will gamers really use it beyond the novelty of saying "I can shoot with my fingers"?

Is pantomime a preferred method of input? No thanks.

 

[Criminal Upper]

Why are people going to discount Microsoft if they have Kinect 2.0? You don't have to use it. Christ.

Well, it's the sheer fact the Kinect was garbage, from top to bottom. No publisher should be interested in it, and I'd be surprised if any of them found any success with Kinect titles outside of Dance Central.

It's a huge waste of everyone's time, and Microsoft should not be focusing on it.

 

[DEADEVIL]

You realize that about 85% of those sales were with the pack in bundle right? Which MS basically made it such a RIDICULOUSLY better deal money wise that people bought it with Kinect by default.

You do realize that when MS intiially broke that record and the entire first year was 50% standalone bundles. You do realize that they sold a million standalone Kinects in 24 hours an entire year after its release.

You do realize that you are making up a Kinect Karaoke game that does not exist right?

If you don't you do now.

 

[Baconsammy]

If MS really did double down on motion controls for next-box then they truly lost the plot. They can't be that stupid.

They'd be idiots not to. They're not Sony. Microsoft is actually trying to lead instead of follow. You have Sony once again just checking off a bunch of bulletpoints in the hope that if one of them is successful for someone else, they can jump on the bandwagon late. They got screwed with the PS3 because they didn't have the right checkboxes filled. Namely a competent online mechanism, achievements, motion controls, a quality OS. They spent an entire generation pretty much playing catchup. Tacking feature after feature onto an OS that wasn't built for them. And instead of utilizing the one thing they had (the Eye), they opted to straight up copy Nintendo instead and allowed Microsoft to copy the Eyetoy and find huge success with it. Meanwhile Move was a non-event. MS will be stupid if they ignore the success of Kinect. They'd also be stupid to ignore the success they had with third parties and their own exclusives.

 

[ari]

You do realize that when MS intiially broke that record and the entire first year was 50% standalone bundles. You do realize that they sold a million standalone Kinects in 24 hours an entire year after its release.

You do realize that you are making up a Kinect Karaoke game that does not exist right?

If you don't you do now.

I laughed.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

People need to start listening to you more. Level-headed, concise, and accurate.

Yes! The bullet point thing sums up Sony perfectly. Tick the box, move on. Move, Vita, their phones.

 

[Surface of Me]

Guess you've never heard of the PS EYE...most technology is a progression of things that came before.

Like i've said 3 times now, I'm giving MS the benefit of the doubt. If they have karaoke games and show a belief that their "hardcore gamer" customer base will be appeased with annual Gears - Forza - Halo releases then i'm done with them. MS is morphing into something that I just really don't like, the opposite is happening with Sony.


I'm not a Sony fanboy, not really a fanboy of anything but traditional gaming.

.

 

[lovegames718]

You guys remember the E3 when MS first showed Kinect? That made me and a lot of other people believers. The excitement on gaf was palpable. Now the actual system didn't live up to the scope of some of those promises but it got pretty close on some of them. With the console being built around its feature set we are going to see amazing stuff. I anticipate a lot of people that are anti-kinect now being genuinely impressed by what they show. At the end of the day all of us want to be wowed and surprised and I think people discounting Kinect because they played Star Wars on it and thought it was ass are going to be really surprised at the gaming and media landscape MS is putting together.

The Kinect didnt live up to the scope of most of those promises lol Didnt even come close so we must be talking about two different Kinects.

 

[Raven77]

You do realize that when MS intiially broke that record and the entire first year was 50% standalone bundles. You do realize that they sold a million standalone Kinects in 24 hours an entire year after its release.

You do realize that you are making up a Kinect Karaoke game that does not exist right?

If you don't you do now.

You guys need to do a little research. The Kinect bundle was clearly the better choice financially as it was NOT 100 dollars more than the other bundle, it was 100 dollars less.

A million in 24 hours? great I'm guessing what at midnight on Black Friday? I can sell my own poo to someone if marketed correctly on black friday.

 

[Vol5]

Yes! The bullet point thing sums up Sony perfectly. Tick the box, move on. Move, Vita, many of their phones.

Clearly you don't follow MS as much as Sony.

 

[Interfectum]

MS will be stupid if they ignore the success of Kinect. They'd also be stupid to ignore the success they had with third parties and their own exclusives.

Kinect, like every other gimmick, was a short-lived fad. How are the software sales of the latest kinect games? Why has "better with kinect" been relegated to voice commands? People don't care. After Wii-Fit and Kinect 1.0, are casuals really going to be sold on yet another iteration of motion?

 

[ari]

You guys need to do a little research. The Kinect bundle was clearly the better choice financially as it was NOT 100 dollars more than the other bundle, it was 100 dollars less.

A million in 24 hours? great I'm guessing what at midnight on Black Friday? I can sell my own poo to someone if marketed correctly on black friday.

The kinect sku was not even close to the arcade sku. Just stop.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

They'd be idiots not to. They're not Sony. Microsoft is actually trying to lead instead of follow. You have Sony once again just checking off a bunch of bulletpoints in the hope that if one of them is successful for someone else, they can jump on the bandwagon late. They got screwed with the PS3 because they didn't have the right checkboxes filled. Namely a competent online mechanism, achievements, motion controls, a quality OS. They spent an entire generation pretty much playing catchup. Tacking feature after feature onto an OS that wasn't built for them. And instead of utilizing the one thing they had (the Eye), they opted to straight up copy Nintendo instead and allowed Microsoft to copy the Eyetoy and find huge success with it. Meanwhile Move was a non-event. MS will be stupid if they ignore the success of Kinect. They'd also be stupid to ignore the success they had with third parties and their own exclusives.

Yup. People need to realize how crazy it is that MS is willing to step this far out of the box. They are really betting the farm on this vision. They could have easily just iterated on the 360 and it would have been a success but instead they are banking on the mass populace being ready to have a game console be the hub of their life. I think it could be brilliant.

The Kinect didnt live up to the scope of most of those promises lol Didnt even come close so we must be talking about two different Kinects.

I drove a car with my hands out in front of me I don't know about you.

Spoiler

lol

 

[BadAss2961]

Wonderbook, Move, and the Eye Toy are not even close to the same thing as Kinect in determining the philosophy between both companies.

Sony clearly developed all those properties merely to say they had a Wii Mote! a Camera! and VR!

They don't care if developers utilize them whatsoever they just create them so the casual gamer can look at the back of the box and say - "Hey the PS3 plays blu-ray movies and has a Wii-Mote Ill get that!"

I have said it before and I will say it again they are a bulletpoint company.

Kinect however, is paramount to MS. It is the foundation for the next system. It is the driving feature behind the OS. It is going to be the pillar of Durango.

People that are simply throwing out "Sony bias" have a really narrow view of the differences.

That being said I think Kinect 2.0 could be really amazing and the amount of integration it is going to have on the OS will open up all kinds of possibilities I am sure we are not even thinking of.

Is this really their plan? When it comes to just playing games, Kinect is nothing more than a gimmick that isn't even practical for anything but casual genres.

Going all Minority Report with the OS would be cute for awhile, but it's nothing that can't be done more efficiently with a controller and a mic.

I can't think of many ways they can double-down on Kinect and make it more interesting, but oh well... This would make it even easier for me to avoid the new Xbox. The media might like it though.