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[Daneel Elijah]

At least the One X was clearly a monster. The Series X does not have the clear advantage ober the PS5 that the One X had over the PS4 Pro. It does not even have the advantage that the PS4 had over the Xbox one. The PS5 digital edition at 400 €/$ is a really good deal in comparison.
The funny thing is that if Microsoft had decided to put a little more money to have 20 gb of ram, and maybe tried to push their GPU like Sony did, I would have accepted those kind of claims better. But both the Series S and X are not as good as they could have been. The One X did not have those limitations. Shame that they did not try their best this time. But I suppose that a mid gen refresh is not as costly as a new gen is.

 

[Fatal Chuck Yeager]

It makes sense if you look at the performance of the last two refreshes after launch. The PS5 Pro is probably especially with it's likely big cost, going to be lucky to sell 5M units of the PS5's LTD and likely have controlled distribution like the PS4 Pro did.

Since the X is presented as a regular device it's going to be treated as the main console throughout the gen instead of an expensive optional enthusiast device.

 

[Syphon Filter]

mid gen refresh is pointless, by then you are near the next gen.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

That's really something. Now just take a step back and imagine if Microsoft had only released the Series S in 2020.

 

[T_T]

So its either a PR non-answer and next year they'll reveal the actual mid-gen refresh or it's not and they let Sony have the power-advantage PR for the whole second half of the generation.

 

[LordCBH]

That's fine. I'd rather not see mid gen refreshes other than "hey we made thing cheaper but it performs just as good".

 

[Sleepwalker]

That's really something. Now just take a step back and imagine if Microsoft had only released the Series S in 2020.

I'm sure they would have loved to but decided the optics would've been awful.

 

[Varteras]

mid gen refresh is pointless, by then you are near the next gen.

A fair number of people would buy, just to play current gen games in 4K/60FPS. Instead of waiting 3 to 4 years for the new console. And if Xbox doesn't have one and Sony made one, the only way to achieve that outside of a PC would be to go for PS5 Pro. That is a very powerful marketing piece.

 

[JaksGhost]

Their whole announcement timeline is weird if that was the case unless they pivoted once they knew supply was going to be down for the Series X model.

 

[DeepEnigma]

A fair number of people would buy, just to play current gen games in 4K/60FPS. Instead of waiting 3 to 4 years for the new console. And if Xbox doesn't have one and Sony made one, the only way to achieve that outside of a PC would be to go for PS5 Pro. That is a very powerful marketing piece.

I know I would buy one. Day 1.

 

[solidus12]

Nice mid gen refresh that has been since day one performing worse than the base model of the competition.

They probably spoke to this guy:

 

[Bernardougf]

They probably spoke to this guy:

"We believe in framerates"


/ NOT

 

[Varteras]

They probably spoke to this guy:

Man, Xbox employee tweets have been a fucking goldmine of entertainment for a decade now. The gifts that keep on giving. They should change their market to comedy.

 

[X-Wing]

They probably spoke to this guy:

That aged worse than urine.

 

[DeepEnigma]

They probably spoke to this guy:

That guy was the biggest purveyor of bullshit back on Gaf in the PS4 era.

 

[dotnotbot]

Arogant Microsoft coming back

 

[JaksGhost]

That guy was the biggest purveyor of bullshit back on Gaf in the PS4 era.

Funny thing is he's probably just echoing what was told to him during the development before he left. He's a marketing guy, not a developer.

 

[ChiefDada]

They probably spoke to this guy:

I heard they also consulted with this guy:

 

[Ronin_7]

What in the actual fuck.

 

[GHG]

I heard they also consulted with this guy:

When you see shameless shit like this it's a wonder how these people still have the confidence to keep on posting here.

 

[dotnotbot]

mid gen refresh is pointless, by then you are near the next gen.

Their exclusive title comes out in 3 months in cinematic 30 FPS, how is it pointless?

 

[Gojiira]

After the goodwill of the showcase why is Xbox going full retard this week? First it was 'Devs should try harder for Series S' now this dumbfuck statement? Its just one thing after another with them…

 

[Thirty7ven]

It's so insane that Alex is against a PS5 pro.

Can it really be that simple as, whatever Sony does he's against it? Has he gone full WWE on us, is this a shoot? Or is he really that much of a bitter hater?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I heard they also consulted with this guy:

That guy loves his buzzwords.

 

[solidus12]

I heard they also consulted with this guy:

This "journalist" was also involved

 

[Insane Metal]

Interesting, so they plan on keeping their hold of the third place.

 

[Banjo64]

The only new hardware I want in 2023 is a slim PS5. Seriously the PS4 Pro was the fattest PS4 model. Do you guys seriously want some shed lookin PS5 Pro piece of shit in your house?

 

[Tommi84]

It's so insane that Alex is against a PS5 pro.

Alex is ms-shill for years already.

Whenever Series was slightly better, he/DF would say that MS dominated, but when PS is slightly better? He/DF would say the difference is not really there

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's so insane that Alex is against a PS5 pro.

Can it really be that simple as, whatever Sony does he's against it? Has he gone full WWE on us, is this a shoot? Or is he really that much of a bitter hater?

He was obsessed when he was on Gaf when HZD came out. He would nitpick over and over and over how the shadows were not 100% accurate to the RTGI with zoom in pics of rocks and light sources. He would then compare all of Sony games to the mighty Star Citizen. This was long before him working at DF.

Now that Starfield released with the just as inaccurate shadows to the RTGI, he is ho-hum silent. I bet he won't even go through endless Star Citizen graphics comparisons either.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Awesome!! No interest in mid-gen consoles when developers won't take full advantage of the current consoles until the second half of the generation anyway.

 

[Zathalus]

Fuck. I feel like Xbox lives in an alternate reality.
Nice mid gen refresh that has been since day one performing worse than the base model of the competition.

"Performing worse", sometimes yes, other times no. They have been going back and forth a while.

 

[DeepEnigma]

"Performing worse", sometimes yes, other times no. They have been going back and forth a while.

Not bad for 9.2TFs

 

[dotnotbot]

Awesome!! No interest in mid-gen consoles when developers won't take full advantage of the current consoles until the second half of the generation anyway.

We are already getting 30 FPS only games

 

[GHG]

The only new hardware I want in 2023 is a slim PS5. Seriously the PS4 Pro was the fattest PS4 model. Do you guys seriously want some shed lookin PS5 Pro piece of shit in your house?

If it's a shed at least I can live in it in safety and comfort away from my wife.

Forget the beep, I want the shed startup sound to be a foghorn.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Funny thing is he's probably just echoing what was told to him during the development before he left. He's a marketing guy, not a developer.

He would go hard in the paint and argue with people like it were first hand knowledge tho.

 

[FrankWza]

 

[Crispy Gamer]

After the goodwill of the showcase why is Xbox going full retard this week? First it was 'Devs should try harder for Series S' now this dumbfuck statement? Its just one thing after another with them…

To be fair this is something they said in 2020 DF just decided to do MS pr this week to support Phil's claims of not doing a mid-gen refresh honestly I hope this blows up and MS is forced to clarify

 

[Lunarorbit]

Series S-isters… they're gonna blame us….

Blame Verizon cause I got my 1st ms console on a half off sale they sponsored 3 months ago.

 

[Topher]

Isn't that what many of us also said in 2020 ?

First time I'm hearing this from anyone.

 

[DeepEnigma]

To be fair this is something they said in 2020 DF just decided to do MS pr this week to support Phil's claims of not doing a mid-gen refresh honestly I hope this blows up and MS is forced to clarify

Ah well. No first dibs World Premier™ look at the Xbox Series X-X since it doesn't exist. Allegedly.

 

[Dick Jones]

Isn't that what many of us also said in 2020 ?

A mid gen refresh that is on par with the competition's base model. God Xbox screwed the pooch if this is true.

How did Xbox's interviews become utter dogshit after a great e3 show? Better off saying fucking nothing than this

 

[Gojiira]

To be fair this is something they said in 2020 DF just decided to do MS pr this week to support Phil's claims of not doing a mid-gen refresh honestly I hope this blows up and MS is forced to clarify

Ahhh, still the timing and everything. It just seems like Xbox try their absolute hardest to shoot themselves in the foot. Even Phils 'Exclusives wont sell consoles' statement whinging was another nugget recently too

 

[Topher]

To be fair this is something they said in 2020 DF just decided to do MS pr this week to support Phil's claims of not doing a mid-gen refresh honestly I hope this blows up and MS is forced to clarify

Microsoft said Series X was their "mid-gen refresh" in 2020?

 

[Venom Snake]

Towing the narrative.

Imagine a tech face-off channel not wanting improved tech to analyze and be excited for.

You transparent clowns are in the wrong line of work then.

I don't blame them, they'll have to work overtime to count all those extra pixels.

 

[Mister Wolf]

All of their games come to PC day one. PC is the "Pro" model.

 

[Crispy Gamer]

Microsoft said Series X was their "mid-gen refresh" in 2020?

Yup its what they told John in the spring I think it was Jason Ronald. Rich even hinted at this last year when the pro was rumored they made a video.

 

[Zathalus]

Not bad for 9.2TFs

Are some of you guys permanently stuck in 2020? Let's not pretend the PlayStation didn't have its own talking points being banded around back in the day, especially the speculation about the SSD and even the supposed superiority of 3D audio.

It's amazing that in 2023 I still see the exact same twitter stupid takes, Mark Cerny presentation slides, and bitching about DF that I did 3 years ago.

 

[Kilau]

ms and sony don't have loyalists who worship them like ninty and apple do).

 

[DeepEnigma]

Are some of you guys permanently stuck in 2020? Let's not pretend the PlayStation didn't have its own talking points being banded around back in the day, especially the speculation about the SSD and even the supposed superiority of 3D audio.

It's amazing that in 2023 I still see the exact same twitter stupid takes, Mark Cerny presentation slides, and bitching about DF that I did 3 years ago.

You sound upset.

The astroturfing was not nearly as bad, and never has been. MS are masters at that shit.

 

[Topher]

Yup its what they told John in the spring

Are you saying that's what they told him originally and he just hasn't passed it on until now?