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[StreetsofBeige]

I agree that the arcade ladders in VF1 and 2 lack variation of most fighting games. I would also say the opponent AI of Virtua Fighter 2 is absolutely irredeemable garbage in the hall of shame right next to Mortal Kombat 2 (ARC). The first Virtua Fighter is a better prototype for its own franchise than the first two Tekkens are. Virtua Fighter 3 and Fighters Megamix are up there with Tekken 3 and Dead or Alive 2 as far as the quality of 3D fighting. They also have relatively large move lists.

Ah thanks. So I wasnt imagining it. The only fighting game I've ever played with fixed opponent schedules.

As for AI it was dumb as rocks and also canned. For example, when I used Jacky you could always nail the cpu right away with one of those big roundhouse kicks. It's like the AI always gives you the first strong attack as a gimme. But then, if you try it again, the cpu turned on a separate logic mode and landing it a second time was almost impossible.

But it would never be the reverse, where it was hard to land right away but the second time is easy.

Beating opponents with Jacky was easy too. I never even used his flash kick. I just spammed his light/medium kick over and over again. It was a light kick similar to a light punch jab. I think the move was pull back + kick button. Didnt do a ton of damage, but it had decent range and connected effectively working wonders. I googled Jacky gameplay, and yes. His fight layout was Lau first, Sarah second etc... That's where I got it from as I used Jacky most of the time.

Yup found it. 29 second mark. Axe kick.

 

[Team Andromeda]

NHL AS Hockey 98 is Powerplay 98. Same game, but Virgin didnt want to release it on Saturn so Sega licensed it and rebranded it as Sega Sports. And besides PS1 also had PP 98 too. So it's not just about quality of games, but how does it compare to Sony sports games. The SI/989 sports games were way better and more of them too. Aside from WS 98, the rest of Saturn Sega Sports NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL games were junk compared to PS1.

Again, if the game is good who cares if it's a reskin job, hell Nintendo did a reskin for Mario 2 on the NES. All of us Brian Lara fans, couldn't give a 'toss' if it was a reskin of an Amiga game. The Saturn had good sports games in most sports from SEGA, bar F1 and NFL IMO F1 was a killer mind

I didn't need google to tell me that, either *rollseyes*

Did it though? That swooping camera has aged horrifically

No game is made with how it will be judged in 30 years' time. Fifa on the 3DO was a massive step up over the 16-bit versions and like a lot of 3DO games, laid the ground work for what 32-bit games would look like on the next gen consoles

And I know you look for any reason to show your love for SONY and The PS1 or PS2, but Goal Storm wasn't a patch on Fifa on the 3DO IMO and let's remember FIFA came out on the 3DO in 94, it played better and was leagues ahead for presentation.

Doctor Hauser doesn't have combat. You could at least have named Alone In The Dark. It was even a console exclusive on 3DO.

I'm almost willing to bet, you never owned a 3DO, much less played Doctor Hauser back then and gone off running to YouTube again.
Anyone who played Doctor Hauser at the time could see where Capcom got some of their idea's from along with AITD, right down the clock ticking.

 

[cireza]

Hiroo Onoda - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

3rd world Sega fans be like:

You can't seriously be talking about 16-bit sales post 1996 sheeeeeeeit, come out of the jungle already brothers!

I am telling you that there are mistakes and inaccuracies in Wikipedia, no need to act like an asshole.

If you don't have anything to contribute to the discussion then nothing forces you to post here.

 

[Crayon]

I would also say the opponent AI of Virtua Fighter 2 is absolutely irredeemable garbage in the hall of shame right next to Mortal Kombat 2 (ARC).

Preach. It spoils it as a single-player game. In as much as fighting games from that era could be. A couple other simple modes could have helped a lot, too.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Again, if the game is good who cares if it's a reskin job, hell Nintendo did a reskin for Mario 2 on the NES. All of us Brian Lara fans, couldn't give a 'toss' if it was a reskin of an Amiga game. The Saturn had good sports games in most sports from SEGA, bar F1 and NFL IMO F1 was a killer mind

I didn't need google to tell me that, either *rollseyes*


No game is made with how it will be judged in 30 years' time. Fifa on the 3DO was a massive step up over the 16-bit versions and like a lot of 3DO games, laid the ground work for what 32-bit games would look like on the next gen consoles

And I know you look for any reason to show your love for SONY and The PS1 or PS2, but Goal Storm wasn't a patch on Fifa on the 3DO IMO and let's remember FIFA came out on the 3DO in 94, it played better and was leagues ahead for presentation.


I'm almost willing to bet, you never owned a 3DO, much less played Doctor Hauser back then and gone off running to YouTube again.
Anyone who played Doctor Hauser at the time could see where Capcom got some of their idea's from along with AITD, right down the clock ticking.

I was referring to ISS Pro, not Goal Storm.

For me, every 3D FIFA up until 2003 was straight up garbage. 2003 was where they basically started from scratch attempting to copy ISS/PES control scheme, physics and momentum, the result is a decent game.

I think the only non-Konami football title from the 5th gen that's aged well is This Is Football, though in the first game there doesn't seem to be any way of controlling the height of shots. TIF 2 fixes this though

 

[Madserb2023]

First mistake was to not have a machine that could handle 3D as well as it's competitors, and then to pretend that wasn't the case. They should have adjusted to the reality and made games that suited the hardware like Nintendo does. Could easily have made really good looking 2D Sonic games or something like Streets of Rage. A game like Sonic Mania could exist as is on the Saturn.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

First mistake was to not have a machine that could handle 3D as well as it's competitors, and then to pretend that wasn't the case. They should have adjusted to the reality and made games that suited the hardware like Nintendo does. Could easily have made really good looking 2D Sonic games or something like Streets of Rage. A game like Sonic Mania could exist as is on the Saturn.

2D games flopped across the board after 1995, Donkey Kong Country 2 marking the end of an era.

 

[Madserb2023]

2D games flopped across the board after 1995, Donkey Kong Country 2 marking the end of an era.

You still have games like Castlevania Symphony of the Night selling over a million units by 1997. While true, 2D weren't selling as well anymore, a 2D Sonic game would absolutely outsell a 3D Sonic game that didn't exist. By racking their brains trying to get these popular series into 3D they ended up making nothing.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

You still have games like Castlevania Symphony of the Night selling over a million units by 1997. While true, 2D weren't selling as well anymore, a 2D Sonic game would absolutely outsell a 3D Sonic game that didn't exist. By racking their brains trying to get these popular series into 3D they ended up making nothing.

A full game based on Sonic Jam's Sonic World, while not attaining any critical acclaim would have been commercially successful.

It should have released by Christmas 1996 instead of NiGHTS to go up against Mario 64 and Crash Bandicoot, NiGHTS should have been held back until 1998.