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[Riky]

Using VRS tier 2 early on in the dev cycle and being optimised for 6800 XT is clear as daylight and shows GDK was up and rnning nicely.

Fine tuning for the XSX version for performance tweaks is a different discussion and can exist with the above statement.

Up and running nicely for Codemasters and their engine maybe. Obviously not for Ubisoft who took the upres and framerate path with their last gen engine, most developers will take the path of least resistance with launch and Pandemic.

Things will get better, PS5 fans kicked a field goal on the first day of the season and have proclaimed themselves Superbowl winners, let's see how the full season pans out.

 

[ethomaz]

That’s not how Software development works at all. Not even close. And no, none of these are fully optimized for XSX.

All these have the seal “Optimized for Xbox Series S|X”... they checked all the games that have the seal

 

[Slashinghook]

Forza Horizon 4	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Apex Legends	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
Call Of Duty Warzone	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
Ori and the Will of the Wisps	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
Halo Master Chief Collection	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
Watch Dogs: Legion	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Dirt 5	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Devil May Cry V: Special Edition	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Control Special Edition	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Assassin's Creed Valhalla	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Grounded	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Tetris Effect: Connected	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
The Touryust	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Call of the Sea	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Gears of War 5	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
The Medium	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Gonner2	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Sea Of Thieves	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
Borderlands 3	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Enlisted	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold war	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
CrossCode	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Cyberpunk 2077	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
Concept Destruction	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Dead by Daylight	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Far Cry 6	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Hitman 3	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Jydge	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
King Oddball	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Man Eater	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Mortal Kombat 11	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
NBA2K21	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
No Man's Sky	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Observer: System Redux	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Fortnite	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Fights in Tight Spaces	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
The Falconeer	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Overcooked! All you can Eat	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Phantasy Star Online 2	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
Planet Coaster: Console Edition	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
WRC 9 FIA World Rally Championship	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Yakuza: Like a Dragon	GDK; Gen: Scarlett	XboxGen9
Rogue Company	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
Ark Survival Evolved	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
We Happy Few	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
Rocket League	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware
Star Wars Squadrons	XDK;Gen: Durango	XboxOneGen9Aware

Oh interesting. Star Wars Squadrons and Rocket League are both 120FPS on XSX, but not on PS5.
As they are not in BC mode - according to you - why can’t PS5 run those games in 120 FPS?

 

[Defrop]

Playstation 5

Toolbox

Spoiler: PS5 vs Toolbox

Playstation 5

Toolbox

Playstation 5

Toolbox

 

[Riky]

All these have the seal “Optimized for Xbox Series S|X”... they checked all the games that have the seal

Optimized for Series X is not the same as using all the hardware RDNA2 features.

 

[Slashinghook]

All these have the seal “Optimized for Xbox Series S|X”... they checked all the games that have the seal

ah ok, so this confirms that PS5 can’t do 120FPS on rocket league and Star Wars squadrons, but XSX can. Interesting.

 

[ethomaz]

Optimized for Series X is not the same as using all the hardware RDNA2 features.

Maybe you should complain with MS I guess... it is their definition not mine.

 

[Mr Moose]

This tho

This proves the guy doing the videos is full of shit, been wrong multiple times now.

 

[ethomaz]

ah ok, so this confirms that PS5 can’t do 120FPS on rocket league and Star Wars squadrons, but XSX can. Interesting.

BC games on PS5 can’t run at 120fps... it is a limitation of PS4/PS4 Pro BC.

That is know for weeks already.

You need to port the games to native PS5 to run at 120fps.

 

[Riky]

Maybe you should complain with MS I guess... it is their definition not mine.

I'm not complaining, MS have made a massive effort on older games which is great, playing Warzone at 120fps and VRR is fantastic. It doesn't use the RDNA2 feature set though obviously.

 

[Slashinghook]

Playstation 5

Toolbox

Playstation 5

Toolbox

Playstation 5 Toolbox

If you have to zoom in 800% and stand still then it won’t really bother me.

 

[geordiemp]

Oh interesting. Star Wars Squadrons and Rocket League are both 120FPS on XSX, but not on PS5.
As they are not in BC mode - according to you - why can’t PS5 run those games in 120 FPS?

I have no idea what your talking about, I listed the DX12 development kits used for each game on xbox on the topic of tools being late.- do you understand what is being discussed here ? NEXT GEN GAMES.

You then go off in a totally opposite subject about ps5 running ps4 games ? Ps5 needs a patch to run ps4 games at 120 FPS. This has already been stated many times. Some xbox old games have been upgraded / patched on xbox but not ps5 - so what ?

 

[ethomaz]

I'm not complaining, MS have made a massive effort on older games which is great, playing Warzone at 120fps and VRR is fantastic. It doesn't use the RDNA2 feature set though obviously.

It is not using GDK.

 

[Slashinghook]

BC games on PS5 can’t run at 120fps... it is a limitation of PS4/PS4 Pro BC.

That is know for weeks already.

You need to port the games to native PS5 to run at 120fps.

I have no idea what your talking about, I listed the DX12 develeopment kits used for each game on xbox on the topic of tools being late.- do you understand what is being discussed here ? NEXT GEN GAMES.

You then go off in a totally opposite subject about ps5 running ps4 games ? Ps5 needs a patch to run ps4 games at 120 FPS. This has already been stated many times.

wtf you just said those are fully optimized nextgen Games based on the new SDK, not BC games using old SDK. Can you makeup your mind please?

 

[ethomaz]

wtf you just said those are fully optimized nextgen Games based on the new SDK, not BC games using old SDK. Can you makeup your mind please?

Wut? Are you high?

GDK is being used in most optimized games on Xbox Series X... it is the most mature tool and basically only few optimized old games are using XDK.

You can check on Xbox Series X which game is using GDK or XDK.

Beyond3D made even a list today.

Xbox Series Optimized Titles.xlsx

onedrive.live.com

Current Generation Hardware Speculation with a Technical Spin [post GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

The Touryst is probably also developed on the XDK. All the games that are Gen9Aware seem to be able to run from an external HDD.

forum.beyond3d.com

 

[BatSu]

I finally managed to buy a ps5!

Now just ...

 

[Riky]

If you have to zoom in 800% and stand still then it won’t really bother me.

If you've played the game you would have seen its time of day difference, ignore him.

 

[Slashinghook]

Wut? Are you high?

I think you just don’t know how Software development works.

 

[ethomaz]

I think you just don’t know how Software development works.

And you have no ideia what are you talking about.

The list I posted shows that most Xbox Series X optimized games are using GDK (that Xbox fans try to say that was late, devs didn’t received the kits, etc etc etc) and the list some few games using XDK.

And you complain about PS5 not running a BC game at 120fps because you know PS4/PS4 Pro BC doesn’t support 120fps lol

BTW I work in software development... 18 years already lol

 

[Raoul_Duke]

If you have to zoom in 800% and stand still then it won’t really bother me.

No need to 800% zoom to see the better ray tracing in the first pic, but it’s ok no need to damage control

 

[geordiemp]

wtf you just said those are fully optimized nextgen Games based on the new SDK, not BC games using old SDK. Can you makeup your mind please?

You dont understand and I cant be arsed to explain it to you. But realise everyone else can see you dont understand as well so thats on you. Keep going, its amusing.

 

[LivingD3AD]

Playstation 5

Toolbox

Spoiler: PS5 vs Toolbox

Playstation 5

Toolbox

Playstation 5

Toolbox

 

[Mr Moose]

Idk shit about specs tbh. But my friend is coping right now after failing to get ps5 saying that his pc build based on this video is superior to the ps5 in specs. Is that true?

He said it's "way better"

Maybe he was talking about the PS4 Pro.

 

[chilichote]

Okok, I just saw a picture of a PS5 in a bathtub filled with water.

A few days ago I saw a video of someone willfully destroying his PS5 for Youtube.

But nobody destroys their PS5 to finally take a die-shot...

 

[Lunatic_Gamer]

Rick and Morty PS5 ad



Gotta love those two.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

was he in a mode that requires more than 32gbps? if he hasn’t researched this appropriately, I can’t respect such a claim.

Vincent is 100% legit, but being 32Gbps is a software limitation. Expect 40-48Gbps on later firmware update.

 

[Darklor01]

Up and running nicely for Codemasters and their engine maybe. Obviously not for Ubisoft who took the upres and framerate path with their last gen engine, most developers will take the path of least resistance with launch and Pandemic.

Things will get better, PS5 fans kicked a field goal on the first day of the season and have proclaimed themselves Superbowl winners, let's see how the full season pans out.

 

[Darklor01]

Riky Look man, the XSX is really powerful. PS5 is really powerful. I think we both agree that this is a marathon and not a race. The heavy hitter games on both platforms will really start hitting in 2022 or so. Enjoy gaming on any platform. We are all winners.

 

[danielJackson]

I went to see if electronics store have PS5 stuff, and they still had 5 series s on the shelf, like last week I visited them

Popularity seems to about the same as xbox usually have = low.

I guess Finns dont see The incredible value of game pass like I guessed months ago

I wish those would have been PS5. Already selling around 1000€ on auction sites

 

[LiquidRex]

Playstation 5

Toolbox

Spoiler: PS5 vs Toolbox

Playstation 5

Toolbox

Playstation 5

Toolbox

The power of RDNA 3 Ray Tracing.

 

[M1chl]

Okok, I just saw a picture of a PS5 in a bathtub filled with water.

A few days ago I saw a video of someone willfully destroying his PS5 for Youtube.

But nobody destroys their PS5 to finally take a die-shot...

I agree that's a shame, however this type of shot requires far more brain cells than to just destroy it. People are shit, not sure why would anyone destroy perfectly functional thing just for the shit and giggles, but that's just me.

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

According to their discord game dev (dude trust me), PS5 at it’s full CPU workload is a 5tflops console lmao

If you take into account that Ubi games are usually CPU heavy, does it mean that the PS5 got 30% better perfomance than the XSX at Valhalla with just 5TF? lol, those guys must be so delusional to say something like that.

Sony, bring the full fat 10TF

 

[Thirty7ven]

Gotta be a tool to believe in this whole tools bs excuse.

 

[3liteDragon]

 

[HoofHearted]

Is this real?

Seems to be ... about the 5th time I’ve seen it.

The document also appears in line with other typical updates from Microsoft I’ve received in the past on various software product, SDK, and platform updates (I’m a software engineer/architect by trade - though not a game developer to be clear).

 

[Raoul_Duke]

.

 

[FunkMiller]

Gotta be a tool to believe in this whole tools bs excuse.

Easier to believe for many than to believe that the XSX is not more powerful than the Ps5.

 

[Insane Metal]

A bit of context.
YouTube is taking too much time to process the 4k version of the video... like days or even weeks (he said some videos from Nov 12 doesn’t have 4k processed yet).
So he believes people finds the game bad because the YouTube 1080p shows a really bad game due the low video quality.

Jé posted two pictures... one from what YouTube shows in 1080p and another with how it looks on his capture.

To be fair in both pics the game looks bad.

I mean that looks pretty damn good to me, the captured one.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Bullshit

Remember Falafada, he worked on Heavenly Sword.

Honestly pisses me off how Microsoft always manages to use its army of astroturfers to create some BS narrative to excuse them of every single failure. It’s even more egregious this time around, considering their non stop big time talk for the past 12 months.

 

[HoofHearted]

I mean that looks pretty damn good to me, the captured one.

Well he does have a point... there appears to be a clear difference between the YouTube capture versus the Twitter image.

Which is why (IMHO) it’s a bit silly to compare/contrast these games based on screenshots from YT videos. There’s too much modification (and loss) to the original source.

The only real takeaway here from the comparison videos are the reported performance indicators (framerate, tearing, etc).

Now experiencing this generation of consoles, I find it particularly sad to see so much focus on what equates to miniscule differences between the rendered output of these amazing consoles...

Just play the games...

 

[sircaw]

All i know is, i now see comparisons of

Ps5 vs toolbox lol

 

[Slashinghook]

Bullshit

this guy is an xbox fanboy and the one who said this:

This guy does not know what he is talking about though. The final GDK was released in JUNE 2020. The one from 2019, was just a PREVIEW preview build and really buggy. Also, the preview version did not support development of commercial games.


For RETAIL games devs had to use the GDK that was released in June 2020. All the devkits beforehand were NOT supported.

Just refer to the official release notes from MS:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnRp_6NXMAAdOmd?format=jpg&name=medium

Just because an alpha preview is available, doesn’t mean that you can use it to develope games.

 

[geordiemp]

This guy does not know what he is talking about though. The final GDK was released in JUNE 2020. The one from 2019, was just a PREVIEW preview build and really buggy. Also, the preview version did not support development of commercial games.


For RETAIL games devs had to use the GDK that was released in June 2020. All the devkits beforehand were NOT supported.

Just refer to the official release notes from MS:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnRp_6NXMAAdOmd?format=jpg&name=medium

Just because an alpha preview is available, doesn’t mean that you can use it to develope games.

Dirt 5 is finished with all new features included on multiple platform,s it was not done in a few months like you seem to be implying.

Listen



If you cannot listen, I will summarise to help you.

Dealer : GDK was in its infancy, allot left on the table

Dirt Developer

• GDK in its infancy because its new, but its not lacking, NO its not barebones
• They brought most of the tools from XDK with familiarity and how it works
• Infact stability and performance improved allot with GDK
• I am really happy with it (GDK), if anything we are talking about really small things that I would like

Are you implying the dirt developer is wrong ?

 

[Reficul]

Just because an alpha preview is available, doesn’t mean that you can use it to develope games.

It says you can use it for development. It can not be used for certification for release.
Thats perfectly normal. New versions of iOS is available for preview months before it can be used for uploading apps to the app store. Or at least that was how it worked when I was developing iOS apps a few years ago.


Edit: If you were refering to the preview alpha from 2019 (as I guess you were) then you may have a point
That may not have been available to develop games with.

Edit 2: But why release a alpha preview if you can't use it for programming?

 

[BatSu]

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Listen fucking carefully here, if XSX was using V-Sync, the performance would be even worse, and the delta will be larger in favor of PS5: (timestamped)




Overall delta even with Xbox consoles having no V-Sync support and enjoying a festival of tearing:

 

[sircaw]

Listen fucking carefully here, if XSX was using V-Sync, the performance would be even worse, and the delta will be larger in favor of PS5: (timestamped)




Overall delta even with Xbox consoles having no V-Sync support and enjoying a festival of tearing:

GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR FACTS!

Dream smasheer

 

[LiquidRex]

So VRR to be added to PS5 via firmware update.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

And yes again, PS5 has the sharper overall image, slightly though:

Open both on separate pages, zoom as much, or download both and investigate. This could be a result of a more lossy compression on XSX via BCPack vs Oodle Kraken.

 

[ethomaz]

So VRR to be added to PS5 via firmware update.

Yes.
8k for supported apps, VRR, etc.