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[Bo_Hazem]

Ok, just tested my Astro A40 through the DualSense with Spider-Man MM, and I can confirm that it supports 3D Audio 100%. But last time I tested it on Genshin it sounded just like 2.0 Channel (which is perfect for true HRTF-based 3D Audio anyway).

Tried the Pulse 3D through DualSense while it's shut down using 3.5 aux cable, and again the Pulse 3D supports 3D Audio on Spider-Man MM even wired (same as A40). Pulse 3D has cleaner/better clarity, cleaner bass, and slightly more volume than Astro A40. If you play a game that doesn't support 3D Audio, I think the system will recreate that 7.1 channel audio into 3D space as tested on Genshin, so Astro A40 works perfectly as well through the DualSense. As tested turning off 3D audio while using Pulse 3D wirelessly found that 7.1 channel support kicked in and kept that surround feel going but feels less precise.

I think Sony fixed the problem with the muffled sound that I checked Astro's Playroom again and sounds good now.

Pulse 3D vs Astro A40: Slightly higher volume, noticeably better clarity, and cleaner bass on Pulse 3D (A40 already has bad bass). But if you already have Astro A40 I'm more than sure you'll be very happy with it plugged into the controller. There are many versions of A40 as it seems, but this is mine, not sure what version but bought it in 2018 IIRC:

I have the mixamp, but it's useless now nor I'm interested in using it.

 

[LiquidRex]

So do I have this right... Assassin's Creed Valhalla now runs worse on PS5 to the point of 40fps in some cases, and better on XSX following an update.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

So do I have this right... Assassin's Creed Valhalla now runs worse on PS5 to the point of 40fps in some cases, and better on XSX following an update.

I was under the impression the xsx is now stuck at 30fps, so...

 

[timmyp53]

Holy crap... the lighting in Miles Morales is damn amazing. I wish I had a capture card that could depict how damn good miles and the red and black roxxon troopers look in this base mission. The way shadows fall and the way the lights accurately hit objects and materials is a huge next gen leap.

 

[Sinthor]

Ok, just tested my Astro A40 through the DualSense with Spider-Man MM, and I can confirm that it supports 3D Audio 100%. But last time I tested it on Genshin it sounded just like 2.0 Channel (which is perfect for true HRTF-based 3D Audio anyway).

Tried the Pulse 3D through DualSense while it's shut down using 3.5 aux cable, and again the Pulse 3D supports 3D Audio on Spider-Man MM even wired (same as A40). Pulse 3D has cleaner/better clarity, cleaner bass, and slightly more volume than Astro A40. If you play a game that doesn't support 3D Audio, I think the system will recreate that 7.1 channel audio into 3D space as tested on Genshin, so Astro A40 works perfectly as well through the DualSense. As tested turning off 3D audio while using Pulse 3D wirelessly and 7.1 channel support kicked in and kept that surround feel going but feels less precise.

I think Sony fixed the problem with the muffled sound now that I checked Astro's Playroom again and sounds good now.

Pulse 3D vs Astro A40: Slightly higher volume, noticeably better clarity, and cleaner bass on Pulse 3D (A40 already has bad bass). But if you already have Astro A40 I'm more than sure you'll be very happy with it plugged into the controller. There are many versions of A40 as it seems, but this is mine, not sure what version but bought it in 2018 IIRC:

I have the mixamp, but it's useless now nor I'm interested in using it.

Um, where do you enable/disable the 3D audio?

 

[Tschumi]

Funny, i was just in BIC camera here, a ps5 digital costs the same as a ps4 pro 1 TB.

I can't even wrap my head around that. Seems to me like one of these things is hugely over, or under, priced.

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Its just a small issue where some receivers can't process and pass through to TVs a compressed 4K 120 signal. Thats why the Xbox doesn't work, it uses DSC (compression) at FRL 4K@120 4:4:4 RGB to fit into the 40 Gb/s bandwidth.

PS5 doesn't use DSC, it just goes down to 422 YUV for FRL 4K@120 and problem solved.

Can someone translate for humans with lesser cognitive functions?
I mean, it's not like I didn't understand, it's for... others. Lot of others.

 

[Riky]

I was under the impression the xsx is now stuck at 30fps, so...

No

There are two modes 60fps and 30fps.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

I was under the impression the xsx is now stuck at 30fps, so...

Both PS5 and XSX always had just one default mode which was 4K60fps with DRS. This new patch basically gives you two options to choose from, either DRS 4K60fps or native 4K30withprobablysome fine tuned effects across Series X and PS5. Also Series S has received a 60fps mode too(probably running at dynamic 572p-1080p

 

[mitchman]

Its just a small issue where some receivers can't process and pass through to TVs a compressed 4K 120 signal. Thats why the Xbox doesn't work, it uses DSC (compression) at FRL 4K@120 4:4:4 RGB to fit into the 40 Gb/s bandwidth.

PS5 doesn't use DSC, it just goes down to 422 YUV for FRL 4K@120 and problem solved.

I wonder if Sony did it just because of this receiver bug, to reduce the customer support and make it easier for users to use the PS5.

 

[roops67]

HDTVTest: HDMI 2.1 Bug on 2020 AV Receivers Affects Xbox Series X but Not PS5... Why?

www.neogaf.com

This guy has been uploading a lot of interesting stuff lately, he's worth keeping an eye on...

 

[kyliethicc]

Can someone translate for humans with lesser cognitive functions?
I mean, it's not like I didn't understand, it's for... others. Lot of others.

Basically if you want the best 4K @ 120 FPS gaming possible ... and you have:

1. a HDMI 2.1 TV that can do 4K 120
2. and a PS5 or Xbox SX
3. and want to use a 5.1/7.1 surround sound setup

then just plug the console directly into the TV w/ HDMI, and then connect the receiver to the TV with a second cable using the ARC port on the TV.

 

[kyliethicc]

I wonder if Sony did it just because of this receiver bug, to reduce the customer support and make it easier for users to use the PS5.

I wonder. VRR uses some of the max 48 Gb/s HDMI 2.1 bandwidth. So for now, Sony is only using 32 Gb/s and no VRR, but they are not using DSC (compression.)

Sony seem to be waiting for HDMI Forum Official VRR to be finalized before putting it on their X900H TV and the PS5.

Xbox is capping their HDMI 2.1 port at 40 Gb/s at the hardware level, so it can't change. So they use DSC to fit everything into the limited 40 Gb/s bandwidth while running 4K HDR10 video at 120 Hz. It just cannot output 12 bit color.

Sony is letting the PS5 output 12 bit color at 4K 120, just using YUV 422 instead of RGB. This is another way to save on HDMI bandwidth, cuz 422 uses less data than 444.

Maybe they will unlock the HDMI port to 40 or 48 Gb/s and add VRR, while keeping uncompressed 12 bpc options, just letting users choose to drop down to 422 at 4K 120 HDR if they need to fit all the data in the 40 or 48 Gb/s of bandwidth.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Um, where do you enable/disable the 3D audio?

From the menu here:

 

[azertydu91]

Basically if you want the best 4K @ 120 FPS gaming possible ... and you have:

1. a HDMI 2.1 TV that can do 4K 120
2. and a PS5 or Xbox SX
3. and want to use a 5.1/7.1 surround sound setup

then just plug the console directly into the TV w/ HDMI, and then connect the receiver to the TV with a second cable using the ARC port on the TV.

Hey wait a minute are you telling me that I can plug my cnosole one one HDMI of the TV and use the HDMI ARC to send signals to my amplifier?
Because that would simplify my connectics a lot.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

This guy has been uploading a lot of interesting stuff lately, he's worth keeping an eye on...

Problem with him, Vincent, and most TV experts is that they have bad vision and wear glasses. So I can't take him seriously there and we can't compare movies to gaming/PC.

 

[Dibils2k]

yeah to me 4:4:4 is essential, yes ingame you might not notice it easily but alot of time with a game is spent in UI where there is alot of text and colored text too and some of them just straight look ugly with compression (especially red text)

one of the reasons i am not a huge fan of HDR is how bad text looks cause it cant get 444 on HDMI2.0

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

So do I have this right... Assassin's Creed Valhalla now runs worse on PS5 to the point of 40fps in some cases, and better on XSX following an update.

Not quite....

 

[kyliethicc]

Hey wait a minute are you telling me that I can plug my cnosole one one HDMI of the TV and use the HDMI ARC to send signals to my amplifier?
Because that would simplify my connectics a lot.

Yeah thats what ARC is for.

Plug your inputs (consoles etc) into your TV directly with HDMI cables, then use another HDMI cable to connect your surround receiver (or soundbar) to your TV using the HDMI port marked Audio Return Channel (ARC/eARC).

You don't have to connect every input into the receiver anymore if you have a TV with an ARC port.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Its just a small issue where some receivers can't process and pass through to TVs a compressed 4K 120 signal. Thats why the Xbox doesn't work, it uses DSC (compression) at FRL 4K@120 4:4:4 RGB to fit into the 40 Gb/s bandwidth.

PS5 doesn't use DSC, it just goes down to 422 YUV for FRL 4K@120 and problem solved.

PS5 is pushing 12-bit in both, 4:4:4 HDR 12-bit 60Hz and 4:2:2 HDR 12-bit 120Hz (but LG CX for some reason acknowledges it as 8-bit) according to Vincent on HDTVtest.

 

[azertydu91]

Yeah thats what ARC is for.

Plug your inputs (consoles etc) into your TV directly with HDMI cables, then use another HDMI cable to connect your surround receiver (or soundbar) to your TV using the HDMI port marked Audio Return Channel (ARC/eARC).

You don't have to connect every input into the receiver anymore if you have a TV with an ARC port.

Thanks man I just checked and now I know why I never used it, my amplifier doesn't have an HDMI in ....I really need to change it but first I'm gonna need a new TV.

 

[kyliethicc]

PS5 is pushing 12-bit in both, 4:4:4 HDR 12-bit 60Hz and 4:2:2 HDR 12-bit 120Hz (but LG CX for some reason acknowledges it as 8-bit) according to Vincent on HDTVtest.

Yup. Hopefully Sony will allow for full 48 Gb/s in the future, letting users output the full 4K 120 Hz HDR 12 bit 444 RGB.

 

[DinoD]

PS5 is pushing 12-bit in both, 4:4:4 HDR 12-bit 60Hz and 4:2:2 HDR 12-bit 120Hz (but LG CX for some reason acknowledges it as 8-bit) according to Vincent on HDTVtest.

MS-LG conspiracy

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yup. Hopefully Sony will allow for full 48 Gb/s in the future, letting users output the full 4K 120 Hz HDR 12 bit 444 RGB.

Not just that, even on HDMI 2.0 (current tv I have, Sony XD70 "2016") it drops to 4:2:2 at 4K@60Hz HDR which seems as well favoring 12-bit over chroma, while my tv can do 10-bit 4:4:4 @ 60Hz.

 

[mitchman]

I wonder. VRR uses some of the max 48 Gb/s HDMI 2.1 bandwidth. So for now, Sony is only using 32 Gb/s and no VRR, but they are not using DSC (compression.)

Sony seem to be waiting for HDMI Forum Official VRR to be finalized before putting it on their X900H TV and the PS5.

Xbox is capping their HDMI 2.1 port at 40 Gb/s at the hardware level, so it can't change. So they use DSC to fit everything into the limited 40 Gb/s bandwidth while running 4K HDR10 video at 120 Hz. It just cannot output 12 bit color.

Sony is letting the PS5 output 12 bit color at 4K 120, just using YUV 422 instead of RGB. This is another way to save on HDMI bandwidth, cuz 422 uses less data than 444.

Maybe they will unlock the HDMI port to 40 or 48 Gb/s and add VRR, while keeping uncompressed 12 bpc options, just letting users choose to drop down to 422 at 4K 120 HDR if they need to fit all the data in the 40 or 48 Gb/s of bandwidth.

Perhaps. I've heard that out of hundreds of modes for HDMI 2.1 on that Panasonic chip, only 4 modes are buggy. Stear clear of them, using an option or automatic, and they should be fine to be used for 2.1 sources.

 

[kyliethicc]

Thanks man I just checked and now I know why I never used it, my amplifier doesn't have an HDMI in ....I really need to change it but first I'm gonna need a new TV.

Just check to see if your receiver looks any thing like this, if it says ARC on one of the ports on your amp and also on your TV, you're good.

Spoiler

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Seeing this on UE4 (wonder what hardware it was running on) gets me excited for what this gen’s gonna bring (especially GoW2 with all the rumours going around).

That's running on 1080Ti, but at 24fps and not full 4K. We should expect games like this on PS5 though.

 

[kyliethicc]

Not just that, even on HDMI 2.0 (current tv I have, Sony XD70 "2016") it drops to 4:2:2 at 4K@60Hz HDR which seems as well favoring 12-bit over chroma, while my tv can do 10-bit 4:4:4 @ 60Hz.

I think thats because HDMI 2.0 can only do 4K HDR10 @60 Hz with 4:2:2 YUV. Thats what PS4 Pro did too. I don't think HDMI 2.0 can do full 4K 60 Hz RGB 444 with HDR10 video, only SDR 8 bit. With 10 bit color in HDR, it has to drop to 422 YUV.

 

[vkbest]

So do I have this right... Assassin's Creed Valhalla now runs worse on PS5 to the point of 40fps in some cases, and better on XSX following an update.

Some people in Internet says this is fixed if you delete the game and download (or install again). Could be a conflict with cache files.

 

[azertydu91]

Just check to see if your receiver looks any thing like this, if it says ARC on one of the ports on your amp and also on your TV, you're good.

Spoiler

Yeah I checked and it has not any Hdmi port.But it is old as fuck so not really a surprise.

 

[Shmunter]

Problem with him, Vincent, and most TV experts they have bad vision and wear glasses. So I can't take him seriously there and we can't compare movies to gaming/PC.

Glasses are like a wheelchair for the eyes

 

[sinnergy]

Its just a small issue where some receivers can't process and pass through to TVs a compressed 4K 120 signal. Thats why the Xbox doesn't work, it uses DSC (compression) at FRL 4K@120 4:4:4 RGB to fit into the 40 Gb/s bandwidth.

PS5 doesn't use DSC, it just goes down to 422 YUV for FRL 4K@120 and problem solved.

But doesn’t my point still stand ? If you put the Xbox in 4:2:2 it’s not compressing , 4:4:4 ... it’s manually in 4:2:2?

 

[roops67]

Problem with him, Vincent, and most TV experts they have bad vision and wear glasses. So I can't take him seriously there and we can't compare movies to gaming/PC.

I can't tell if you're joking Bo?

 

[Three Jackdaws]

 

[Tripolygon]

Having owned the #ps5 for 3 weeks now & playing all the major heavy hitters, I can still safely say that The Last of Us: PII is unmatched when it comes to the most life-like character models.

I am continuing to beg them for a ps5 patch

Miles Morales

Shamelessly stolen but it is so got damn detailed.

 

[Codexer]

 

[INC]

Miles Morales

Shamelessly stolen but it is so got damn detailed.

His eyebrows are on fleek

 

[saintjules]

Not quite....

Thankful for my C9. With VRR, I don't see any tearing.

Miles Morales

Shamelessly stolen but it is so got damn detailed.

And we're just getting started!

 

[saintjules]

Posted already?

In Q4, AMD Supplied a Total of 120K PS5 and XSX Wafers, Limiting Zen 3 and Big Navi Production (Update) | Hardware Times

This holiday season gamers are faced with something they’ve rarely faced before. Both the next-gen consoles, as well as the latest graphics cards from AMD and NVIDIA are facing severe shortages. In addition to that, even the newly launched Ryzen 5000 processors are either out of stock or being...

www.hardwaretimes.com

 

[Tiptop10]

So this PS5 coil whine issue, I imagine it will be a waste of time to return as:
A) it's a design issue, likely will take months to be purged from production line
B) will take ages to get replacement due to stock issues.

I think I have the issue but for me it's not terribly loud, just noticeably in a dead silent room.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Edit: Wow the game is do pretty and runs perfect on the PS5.

Good job D dark10x

 

[FrankWza]

Yup. Hopefully Sony will allow for full 48 Gb/s in the future, letting users output the full 4K 120 Hz HDR 12 bit 444 RGB.

The fact that they are allowing 12 bit now is promising, no?

 

[DarkParadise]

So do I have this right... Assassin's Creed Valhalla now runs worse on PS5 to the point of 40fps in some cases, and better on XSX following an update.

tbh the game still runs as good as before the Update on my Ps5. No FPS drop whatsoever.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Hope those who celebrated it had a great and safe Thanksgiving.

As this thread draws to a close wanted to say thanks to the mods who tried to keep this thread civil

Enjoyed chatting with many of you guys but as we pack up and head to Florida for the next 3 months or so I wont be posting and I am sure this thread will be closed by then.

I look forward to the PS5 Pro/Xbox Series X One X Super speculation thread which should pop up around E3 2022

 

[DeepEnigma]

Not that, also RTX 3090 is using full chroma RGB 4:4:4 and works fine but capped at 40Gbps and 10-bit due to the bandwidth limitation of the AV receiver of 40Gbps (RTX 3090 has full 48Gbps). He explained it here that Xbox is sending compressed data vs uncompressed: (timestamped)





Vincent is the top TV expert you find now on youtube, so it's hard to question his results as he actually doesn't really care much about gaming in general but riding the bandwagon lately and to answer raised questions in his channel.

Yeah, watched this video last night. The issue in the certain chip that is used in those 3 receiver brands, comes down to needing an uncompressed signal.

Vincent identified that the XSX sends a compressed signal compared to the uncompressed in the PS5 and 3090.

Did he also say that may not be fixable in a firmware update and is hard designed in the chip, or did I misunderstand that portion?

 

[saintjules]

So did anyone get a PS5 at Gamestop?

 

[Superayate]

Posted already?

In Q4, AMD Supplied a Total of 120K PS5 and XSX Wafers, Limiting Zen 3 and Big Navi Production (Update) | Hardware Times

This holiday season gamers are faced with something they’ve rarely faced before. Both the next-gen consoles, as well as the latest graphics cards from AMD and NVIDIA are facing severe shortages. In addition to that, even the newly launched Ryzen 5000 processors are either out of stock or being...

www.hardwaretimes.com

"The reasons behind this are two-fold. It costs AMD less to produce the Zen 2 dies compared to the newer Zen 3 dies, and the total revenue margins from the consoles as indicated in the last earnings report is also somewhat higher. This is partly because there’s no Infinity Cache (SRAM) on the consoles (which is pricey) and secondly, the overall market for the consoles is much larger than the DIY PC space, promising higher revenue. "

This part leaves me perplexed, in the sense that he talks about zen 2 and zen 3, then refers to the infinite cache which is obviously not present in the consoles APUs but no longer also in the zen 3 CPU, no relation. .

 

[MasterCornholio]

So did anyone get a PS5 at Gamestop?

Didn't even try.

 

[saintjules]

So this PS5 coil whine issue, I imagine it will be a waste of time to return as:
A) it's a design issue, likely will take months to be purged from production line
B) will take ages to get replacement due to stock issues.

I think I have the issue but for me it's not terribly loud, just noticeably in a dead silent room.

I haven't had the coil whine issue, but I was hearing that depends on the game you're playing and something about reaching certain frequencies? I'm not too tech savvy on that/

Regarding B, people have been able to get boxes from Sony and get a replacement in a quick turnaround. Supposedly I saw one person on Reddit stating that Sony sent the replacement as the defective unit was on it's way to their Facility.

 

[Jerm411]

Finally picked up my PS5 and games from Best Buy this morning...had to go in because curbside was borked. Of course they didn’t have a bag big enough for it....

Had 3 people try to buy it off of me before I could even get back to my car LOL.

The thirst is real and it’s nuts....