slap "ray-tracing" or "RTX" on anything and dudes like Alex go bananas.LOL HAHA. This Metro comparison is hilarious. It shows just how inaccurate and straight up POOR the RT lighting was in the original. Apparently it only had one bounce RT lighting so the sunlights didnt illuminate the rest of the room correctly.
This is funny because Alex spent that entire year raving about how realistic that lighting was giving it his graphics GOTY, and droning about it on and on for two years, all the while completely missing the fact that it was entirely inaccurate all along.
2019 RT GI on the Left. 2021 RT FULL GI on the right.
Never seen a graphics analyst give the worse version of the game goty before.
IMO I don't thing either side is accurate.LOL HAHA. This Metro comparison is hilarious. It shows just how inaccurate and straight up POOR the RT lighting was in the original. Apparently it only had one bounce RT lighting so the sunlights didnt illuminate the rest of the room correctly.
This is funny because Alex spent that entire year raving about how realistic that lighting was giving it his graphics GOTY, and droning about it on and on for two years, all the while completely missing the fact that it was entirely inaccurate all along.
2019 RT GI on the Left. 2021 RT FULL GI on the right.
Never seen a graphics analyst give the worse version of the game goty before.
The crazy thing is that he hasnt learned anything. He literally just that this the BEST LIGHTING HES EVER WITNESSED IN A VIDEO GAME. Come the fuck on.
If you told me that was a Dontnod game (in this shot), I'd believe you.The crazy thing is that he hasnt learned anything. He literally just that this the BEST LIGHTING HES EVER WITNESSED IN A VIDEO GAME. Come the fuck on.
This was the part that was on screen when he says that.
Really? THIS is the best lighting ever in a video game, Mr. I review graphics for a living?
I actually thought the new additions to the combat system were easily the best thing about the game. If anything, the new melee system made Abby's sections a lot more bearable because I really fucking hated playing as her.I agree. TLOU2.....I really didn't like the game overall and will likely never play it again, but it WAS a technical masterpiece. I mean besides not introducing anything really new over TLOU1, the execution of the movement, AI...I can't recall seeing a single glitch or instance where something clipped thru a wall or corner. It was technically, I think, the best game I've ever played.
Now, if only they hadn't nuked all the characters with the lousy storytelling......and maybe added some new things versus how the original played....
I wonder if Microsoft will showcase a lot of gameplay at its show because last time there was CGI. And what do they even intend to do.
I missed it again, le sigh.
Is this Death Stranding 2 on PS5? Amazing graphics and water physics.
Good call. It DOES look like Death Stranding 2. Of course they've made it with RPG elements to it now and this character being demoed obviously had the minimum allocation to their Agility stat. Probably a low Luck attribute as well. Story of my life!
You make a good point. Even IRL your eyes focus the light differently that a camera or still-shot as well. So while RT is phenomenal, artists have to get creative in adjusting saturation and the like to replicate the retinal in person, more so a point and click camera. Some of these RT situations in games look way too bright in an area, where it looks like you are looking through it from a camera's point of view, rather than in person with your eyes point of view.
Battlefield 6 by any chance?
Well said.The crazy thing is that he hasnt learned anything. He literally just that this the BEST LIGHTING HES EVER WITNESSED IN A VIDEO GAME. Come the fuck on.
This was the part that was on screen when he says that.
Really? THIS is the best lighting ever in a video game, Mr. I review graphics for a living?
I dont even have to look at lighting for next gen games like Ratchet and Demon Souls to find better lighting than that. Several last gen games like RDR2, Spiderman and TLOU2 have better lighting. Hell, Death Stranding came out that year and had better lighting.
This bizarre fascination PC gamers have with tech over actual visuals really dilutes what makes visuals great in the first place. Tech is only a means to an end, cinematography is way more important than what rendering technique you are using to light the game.
SlimySnake
is arguing.
Then here me out on this one... make a better game?
And I know this for a fact, I have a Masters Degree in Film, specialization in DIrection of Photography, and I'm a VFX Supervisor working with CG lighting for a looong time. Everytime we try to simulate lighting as it should be in reality that's when the images look bland and plain ugly. Even in the same set, we change lighting for almost every shot even if it doesn't make sense (realistically) but it just looks way better, people waching the sequence don't even get the light changes with every shot.
It is all about preferences, personally I rather have a world that is dynamic so if a light source moves or something changes then the world actually reflects that, i think that makes the world feel more vibrant/alive to me. I think it's different strokes for different folks.Well said.
Ironically, this is precisely the issue
That dynamic lighting is more computationally expensive is irrelevant. If you can achieve a superior end result with pre-computed light probes + SSAO + SSS + the number of other quick lighting hacks, then what does it matter how the lighting was achieved?
The problem with the way folks in the tech press have covered RT (people like Alex at DF), is that they've lost sight of the end result because of their extreme hard-on for a very specific means of getting to that end result. The goal of rendering technology is ALWAYS the end result, so losing sight of that undermines any perspective you seek to share.
Most if not all RT implementations in real games thus far have been aesthetically worse overall than the very best non-RT'd games; with the exception of limited RT-effects like RT-reflections used in games like Miles Morales.
And anyone with half a brain should have expected this because both RT and non-RT lighting is always a trade-off between accuracy and performance; however, because RT includes a step-change difference in performance vs non-RT lighting, full RT in games will require significantly more performance than the current hardware can deliver, for the same accuracy results as RT lighting (with few exceptions).
As such, the biggest benefits of current RT are in limited areas where the non-RT equivalents are also very expensive (e.g. reflections), as well as on the production side of creating and iterating on videogame assets.
Entertainment doesn't have to equate to realism.
Surprise as in possible 3rd party showing up day one on release date on gamepass?
And this is why....(I'll piss some poeple off with this), Metro Exodus with all the RT bells and whistles does not look as good as a Demon Souls, Ratchet and Clank or Gears 5.
Agreed. While it looks "good" for what it is, it just isn't crafted in the same way. Looks almost the same as the baked lighting in TLOU2. I couldn't care less if the lighting is baked or real time. If it looks good, it looks good.
This problem existed for consoles for 15 years now - and the answer is always the same. The game 'can' be developed for any drive specs, but when it goes into Cert - it'll be tested against the standard spec that the platform holder dictates. Amusingly no company actually bothered to vet 3rd Party drives in last decade - so users could (and did) plug any old drive and get worse-than stock performance if they chose poorly as well.
Insomniac also mentioned it in their Spider-Man GDC talk. They had to take into account the lowest common denominator for their streaming engine with 3rd party HDDs, so they capped the MB/s much lower than factory spec due to this. Said the game could have looked and performed even better, but unfortunately that was the nature of the swappable HDD beast.
That is the reason why all the Phones takes photos more vibrant/vivid than real life... they change the colors to be more pleased to our eyes.
Sorry to trigger you man I can see you are quite passionate about the PlayStation and that's great! How about actually addressing my question? Why do YOU think this obvious solution that Mark Cerny talked about last March wasn't ready at PS5 launch? If the NVME drives are available for purchase why hasn't Sony activated the bay? MS was criticized for going with a proprietary drive. They were also laughed at for having a SSD solution that wasn't nearly as fast as Sony's. Cool. MS' solution was ready day 1. It also just works keeping with the spirit of how traditional console gaming as always been. Sony's solution is TBD.
Maybe dynamic was the wrong word in terms of what implies but I meant dynamic in the same sense as in minecraft rtx, you can create a camera obscura. Also all of these dynamic lights are very very good assumption and tricks to make realistic behaviour but they do unfortunately break down too often.
Man, I just spelled it out for you, what else should I write?
You don't have to push for realistic lighting with RT lighting. It can be every bit as unrealistic as you want to make it. RT lighting isn't just about placing lights, it's about computing paths of photons bouncing around in a scene. You can alter that any way you want.
What case does it look worse than without it? Name a game that shows this.
So there are two differences between the systems: Peak bandwidth and latency. And there are two different tasks that give benefits: Load times and asset streaming.
Oh noes!!!!
DarkMage619
is not an honest straight-down-the-middle type of dude and that he somehow pretends to like PlayStation.
geordiemp
.
