It is worse actually because customers see the 8k logo on the store selves instead of finding a technical Xbox video.
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Zadom
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You explain things very well. I appreciate it.
ethomaz
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I did a check on Unreal Engine documentation...
I don't know the default value but it will use PRT/Tiles Resources if you set to 1 that variable.
| VirtualTexture | If set to 1, textures will use virtual memory so they can be partially resident. |
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assurdum
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There is on the series X too genius. Compatibility to 8k screen it's not like to say it renders native 8k. Unbelievable.
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Support for 8K - logo on the box, in marketing.
True 4K- this is from MS's own pr, on their site right now.
Xbox Series X | Xbox
Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.
www.xbox.com
Dont really wanna get into this but one of these things is not like the other.
PlayStation®5 | Play Has No Limits | PlayStation
Everything you need to know about the PlayStation®5 console and PlayStation®5 Digital Edition with a new slim PS5 design. The best PS5 games, PS5 accessories, and the DualSense wireless controller.
www.playstation.com
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IntentionalPun
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It's been a thing for a decade; but on a limited shared RAM setup, w/ your 5400 RPM drive as the only other place to store data... it doesn't make sense that PRT could be heavily used. There are articles claiming it wasn't, before MS ever had their presentation.. it's in one of my posts, I'll try to find it.
With a 5400 RPM drive if you are doing any data streaming you are pre-fetching a lot of off-screen data, and aren't going to be able to effectively pull parts of textures w/ things like camera turns or objects coming into view w/o insanely bad pop-in.
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The idiocity is that nothing on PS5 supports 8k as well. And at least series x has some 4k60 games. Even the HDMI is rated at 32gb/sec on PS5 which is not enough for 8k.
Shall we continue?
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assurdum
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There are 4k 60 FPS games on ps5 too
You can continue. Now tell us why there is the same 8k logo in the series X box.
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In the front box so everyone can see? I think it is way more measliding, because people will pass it for 8k gaming.There are 4k 60 FPS games on ps5 too
Point is that both companies will do the best to sell their consoles while avoiding a law action suit.
What my original argument was is that the technical engineer was speaking PR, while what hE did was explaining of how SFS works
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Ass of Can Whooping
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It's rated for 48gb/s
assurdum
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You can't be serious... Jesus at least save your dignity.
Mr Moose
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Why would you go into a thread and spread misinformation like this when it's easily proven false?
MasterCornholio
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assurdum
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Technical engineer said series S was a 1440p 60 FPS hardware. Now they changed their mind, 1080p is it. How you can still believe to them? Honestly I can't care less of such hardware but it's unbelievable to see so many people to trust to what the MS "engineers" said. It's hard to figure out when it's marketing PR or genuine tech chats.
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Riky
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PS5 HDMI 2.1 Bandwidth Is Limited to 32GB/s, Unlike Xbox Series X's 40GB/s
The PS5 HDMI 2.1 bandwidth seems currently capped at 32GB/s, unlike Xbox Series X's 40GB/s, thus limiting chroma subsampling at 120 Hz.
wccftech.com
Is that fixable?
IntentionalPun
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It says right in that article there is no way to know if it's just their software or a hardware limitation.PS5 HDMI 2.1 Bandwidth Is Limited to 32GB/s, Unlike Xbox Series X's 40GB/s
The PS5 HDMI 2.1 bandwidth seems currently capped at 32GB/s, unlike Xbox Series X's 40GB/s, thus limiting chroma subsampling at 120 Hz.
Is that fixable?
Ass of Can Whooping
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PS5 HDMI 2.1 Bandwidth Is Limited to 32GB/s, Unlike Xbox Series X's 40GB/s
The PS5 HDMI 2.1 bandwidth seems currently capped at 32GB/s, unlike Xbox Series X's 40GB/s, thus limiting chroma subsampling at 120 Hz.
Is that fixable?
Sony themselves have said that it will come in a future firmware update
I don't trust any PR.
At least I have the ability to see what it makes sense and what's not. Unfortunately you dont seem to grasp it.
Too bad that my examples did not get you into the point
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assurdum
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Why you ask? You think it's not.PS5 HDMI 2.1 Bandwidth Is Limited to 32GB/s, Unlike Xbox Series X's 40GB/s
The PS5 HDMI 2.1 bandwidth seems currently capped at 32GB/s, unlike Xbox Series X's 40GB/s, thus limiting chroma subsampling at 120 Hz.
Is that fixable?
P.R. look at the idiot. He asked and then put a laugh gif to the post who answer to him. Good Lord we can be more childish?
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assurdum
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Dude you say the 8k on the ps5 box it's to deceive people. Lol. Your ability work just when the brand is not MS it seems.
P.R. you don't give example, you just defend a bullshit PR practice which personally I find dishonest.
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IntentionalPun
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That entire concept is silly.. they aren't enforcing resolution or FPS standards... didn't all they say was that was the design goal?
Why are you so hung up on that and who even said this? lol
All I can find is an Xbox Wire post saying it was "designed w/ 1440p 60FPS in mind."
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Garani
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FUD? Really? Are we re-hashing the same no 4k60 and HDMI "not enough" junk? I mean, we have Spiderman MM running at 4k60 w/ ray tracing and an HDMI port rated 48gb/s. You don't get straight even the basics.
My point was to filter what is good PR and what's not. Both companies do it
It is limited to 32 gb/sec by the time I am writing this
FUD? Really? Are we re-hashing the same no 4k60 and HDMI "not enough" junk? I mean, we have Spiderman MM running at 4k60 w/ ray tracing and an HDMI port rated 48gb/s. You don't get straight even the basics.
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assurdum
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I don't follow you. I never said they enforcing anything. I just said they promote series S as 1440p 60 FPS machine then they backpedal to 1080p. If it was thinking to be 1440p why they have changed their PR statement?
Maybe eh maybe promote a machine talking about target resolution is inaccurate and useless? Maybe eh
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I am not defending a bullshit PR on the contrary, MS do it as well. i was replying to you with the same PR argument you started the flame war with me to show you how silly it is.
I hope I made it clear for you
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Ass of Can Whooping
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It's been certified to support 8K content.
It's really that simple. Xbox has it on their box too. Get over it.
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*nevermind, not worth it. You're wasting your time.
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IntentionalPun
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All they said was it was designed w/ 1440p in mind... what backpedaling did they do?I don't follow you. I never said they enforcing anything. I just said they promote series S as 1440p 60 FPS machine then they backpedal to 1080p. If it was thinking to be 1440p why they have changed their PR statement?
Obviously most games aren't pulling that off or targeting it, but it's was their design target. They don't have control over what devs do, nor do they have any first party games yet lol
Garani
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You don't have the faintiest idea of how Sony works with the HDMI chipset, do you? I mean, it's common knowledge by now.
Plz read the comment above you to understand my point.
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assurdum
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Did you looked to their promos about series S lately? They changed the 1440p resolution statement to 1080p. Why they did that? How isn't it that backpedaling?
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Garani
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No, you don't know how Sony works or worse, you fake ignorance.
Sony's HDMI chipset is not off the shelf, it's rated at 48gb/s for 8k and it can be reprogrammed by firmware, in the same way that Sony was able to push HDR on the day one PS4, but Microsoft couldn't.
It will be activated, like with VRR, but only once the standards are well established.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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I understand you think because Sony has limited the bandwidth to 32 gb/s that they're lying or something
You're wrong
No I have explained that PR of both companies is BS and pointelss. You can filter what PR makes sense what is not.
The 32gb/sec is real by the way, i am sure they will unlock it via a future firmware update to full bandwidth
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IntentionalPun
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Yes I know that already thanks. What I wrote was not a lie. Because the 32gb/sec cap is real now
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Riky
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Microsoft didn't back pedal at all, the advert that says 1080p was for Forza Horizon 4 on Series S, which runs at 1080p 60fps. It's a port of the X1X performance mode.
There has been one first party game released in Gears Tactics which came out with the Series consoles and is 1440p.
There has been one first party game released in Gears Tactics which came out with the Series consoles and is 1440p.
Imtjnotu
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Cap is real but the system still outputs 12bit 4:4:4 no problem. 4k60hdr is not even fully saturating the 32gb/s now
12bit 444 at 4k/120 requires 48gb/sec without Dolby vision.
4k60 HDR 10bit uses 18gb/sec and HDMI 2.0 can also do it.
With 32 gb/sec you are limited to 4k120 8-10bit at 4.2.0 I think
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azertydu91
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Well long story short, Jstevenson was talking about R&C or Spiderman (He was probably about ray tracing in Spiderman MM and someone doubting about the game having it) and someone questionned him what was his source.The dude and most of Twitter replied that he was working on the game.
Fanboys warring nothing new on twitter.
Garani
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The way that you wrote it it was the typical FUD scenario. You were console warring and you know it.
MasterCornholio
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I definitely remember that. It was hilarious.
What FUD? I didn't lie. So the video I quoted from HDTV test is considered FUD as well?
I was replying the same way that some posters were starting to flaming me when I was analyzing SFS.
I am done trying to explain what my original point was.
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onesvenus
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it's better to make your own wrong theories I see. Good to know
Nowcry
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I want to see the IO controller at full power. At last we can see games without limitations. I love the new way of using the GPU, linking GDDR with the SSD and the IO controller.
it is simply amazing.
I would say that in the camera shot there is about 7-8 GB of GDDR and they are using about 50% of the IO controller.
What is your opinion?
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Bo_Hazem
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Just imagine if R&C wasn't using traditional LOD's and was as efficient as Nanite! We're starting strong but as Insomniac said we're only scratching the surface of what PS5 will do!
Bo_Hazem
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Anyway, mate, all respect to you.
onesvenus
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I'm well aware of how Nanite works but thanks for the refresh.Sure. Getting caught up in a rather pointless detail though.
You still seem super unaware of how Nanite works based on your latest posts to Bo. "That's an easy one Bo: Having them on RAM? What do you think games do when load a level? Fetch the data it needs to render to RAM and then render from there." That's not how engines build around streaming data work.. and absolutely not what the UE5 demo was doing.
It was using only a small portion of the RAM for a cache; there is no "entire level" loaded into memory. There is what is on screen + some cache.
The small cache is possible due to fast I/O. With slower I/O, you'd need a bigger cache.. thus have less memory available for what is on screen.
x = on screen data
o = cache
[xxxxxxxxoo]
[xxxxxoooo]
System with slower I/O has less x's, more o's, to compensate for it.
Here's Epic slide on how little memory is actually used for caching data:
Having a streaming pool of 768MB does not mean all the things you see are in there, I'm sure there are meshes that reside in memory during almost all the demo but we'll see when UE5 is released and more info on Nanite is revealed.
Having said that, Bo's argument, and what I was trying to debunk, was that the Xbox will be able to render 4 or 5 times less polygons than the PS5 due to I/O differences. My point is that rendered polygons don't have a 1:1 mapping to I/O bandwidth so making that claim is trolling. Nothing else.
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