DeepEnigma
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That isn't true. "cboat" leaked MS's entire E3 one year, and it was dead on.
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That isn't true. "cboat" leaked MS's entire E3 one year, and it was dead on.
TeamGhobad
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CyberPanda
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I think he means 2019 only? Maybe he should have worded it better.
Munki
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You're a young grasshopper (I'm 40).
llien
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Adoredtv did state bad stuff about Navi, but did he actually say anything about xbox going vega?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I think he means 2019 only? Maybe he should have worded it better.
"has been real yet" ... if you mean 2019, say 2019, not to mention your ass does not know until it happens. (Not that I disagree with all the hopes and dreams leaks.)
It reads like... "ever".
ethomaz
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I guess he is talking about this year only.
TeamGhobad
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maybe he didn't maybe it somebody else, or maybe i confused it with my own thoughts.
joe_zazen
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And the graphics march will continue until we start seeing players with ptsd from TLOU V, then, just maybe, sony devs will will start using the power for gameplay and open worlds.
half joking
DeepEnigma
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Well no shit (Jez), we won't know until we see the event.
Unless the soft marketing arm for them (him) has the info himself, which I doubt as well.
FranXico
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That's not all that cboat leaked...
good times.
joe_zazen
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It is so weird to hear 3/4 elementary kids say they want to be youtubbers when they grow up instead of astronaut or firefighter or alan greenspan.
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ethomaz
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I have a theory... cboat become famous with his leaks and so MS started to leak fake "info" to get him... so his mistake was more about leaking that "fake" info that exposed him.
TeamGhobad
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fully possible. you have 10 candidates that you suspect are leaking. you tell them all 10 individually different things. And when they leak boom you tyrion lannistor'd the sucker.
bitbydeath
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Disagree.
PS4 > PC graphically when it comes to exclusives.
Days Gone is the best looking Unreal Engine game ever for example.
PC has nothing on it.
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TLZ
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It's the new "celebrity" thing. It's this generation's TV.
ResilientBanana
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Or you know, they could just use optimize ray-tracing or simply not use it.
Munki
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I was just going through my watched list and stumbled upon this old ass one Jan. 23, 2019. Keep in mind that this was way before the PS5 WIRED article, so before anybody even considered the next gen console including an SSD/Raytracing.
Rumor: Next Xbox To Feature Ray Tracing, 1TB NVMe SSD Storage; DevKit To Release After GDC 2019
To all the technically savvy ones in here... Knowing what we know now, is this more or less believable.
Rumor: Next Xbox To Feature Ray Tracing, 1TB NVMe SSD Storage; DevKit To Release After GDC 2019
To all the technically savvy ones in here... Knowing what we know now, is this more or less believable.
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Gamernyc78
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There were several Sony exclusives last and this gen sites like DF, lens of truth, etc gave the nod to over most exclusives on PC. When uncharted 2 came out it was the pinaccle in graphics of the industry, killzone 2/3 they use to compare to cysis all the time which says alot. I just bypass bozo, troll comments.
ResilientBanana
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Says
These games are creative in their own right and look great, but inherantly this is untrue. Exclusives or not, the PC always has the best version of any game.
These games are creative in their own right and look great, but inherantly this is untrue. Exclusives or not, the PC always has the best version of any game.
bitbydeath
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PC’s can push higher resolution and FPS.
When it comes to graphics of existing games though, PS4 has that crown.
Pyramid Song
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I cant remember any bullshot or downgrade this gen from Sony. They have been pretty honest this gen. In fact GoW and U4 ended look better than the trailers in some aspects.
The Sam pursuit left my jaw dropping until this day.
The Sam pursuit left my jaw dropping until this day.
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Gamernyc78
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Best version of any game? Please show me the best version of the following MLB the Show, God of War, Horizon, Uncharted and Killzone.
Lets cut the bs, we all know if your one of the top 10% lol pc elitist with ultra Uber, double cross fire Titan you can play your game at 8k and at 140 fps graphics, its not just about that.
Again I guess sites like DF, Defunct len's of Truth, etc were all lying when comparing back then and at times giving the nod to Sony exclusives.
I feel you playboy
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Lort
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Lets clear a few things up ..
he was trolling you for overreactive defensiveness and you all just 100% proved him right.
The PC is more powerful than the PS4 .. using good devs, artists and creative coding games on a weaker platform can look better.. this proves nothing about Sony secret sauce and is 100% up to the developer.
Days gone is kinda meh and had many proven downgrades .. horizon zero looks like its screenshots.. so does GOW .. naughty dog games look great but have absolutely been shown bullshots with ridiculous claims that it would be 60 fps.
Xbox games also look great such as Forza horizon or read dead redemption 2.. its not the console or the hardware .. its the developer
If PC people stopped pirating games and all bought decent graphics cards then the best looking games would be PC
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Gamernyc78
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It's OK judge and juror we all like to troll too, it makes the day go by. Again talking common sense pc shit. Of course it's a combination of the developer, hardware, budget, etc... Still does not change the fact that Sony has some of the best devs that get the best out their systems to the point of competing and sometimes surpassing games on PC.
But we'll be easy on the trolling for now
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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Batman says hi... just to name one.
Lort
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I dont often troll but when i do i tell the truth.
Gamernyc78
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Yeah I can tell. So do I.
Pyramid Song
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Nah, man. Im just chilling here on neogaf while drinking my cofee. Im not defensive at all.
Honestly. Who said Sony has a secret sauce ? I think we all can agree that what make Sony games so good is the time, money and the developers. Of course Xbox games also look great. And guess what ? I think RDR2 on the XOX is one of the best looking game out there.
"The PC is more powerfull that PS4" is something pretty obvious dont you think ?
What is really important is what they can make with the hardware of the console and Sony is good at it.
ResilientBanana
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Star Citizen, Space Engineers, Deliverance Kingdom Come, Hellblade, Witcher 3, Arma III, Project Cars 2, Crysis 3, Divinty Original Sin 2, Metro: Exodus, Hunt: Showdown... the list goes on really. Some exclusive some not.
shark sandwich
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It’s all plausible but I wouldn’t put any stock in it. Anybody who follows gaming hardware could easily hypothesize those specs.
Believable at $499.
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Munki
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Its the timing of the “leak”, it seems that these days every second leak has very similar specs but this was way back in Jan. I’m just wondering if that would lend to the leak being true.
it_wasn't_me
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So, what's new here? New Xbox is still the most powerful next-gen console?
Aceofspades
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So, what's new here? New Xbox is still the most powerful next-gen console?
Still?
Nobody knows shit about either PS5 or Xbox.
It was hilariously strange that after Wired PS5 reveal, we had multiple MS so called " insiders" claiming that Xbox is stronger than PS5 despite Sony not revealing a single number about their hardware.
Fake
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Sony Possibly Revealing PS5 Early June (Before E3)
I’d argue that Sony would be better off announcing after E3 or after the MS press conference. Make it the last thing anyone remembers. It worked beautifully at E3 2013. Where MS actually had a decent press conference, but Sony got the last word and made it seem like MS had a terrible...
Depends. The majority of separate PC parts are more powerful than PS4. But it does not mean that the whole package is more powerful.
So when you design a game architecture around separate parts it will run better on PC, but that does not mean it's the maximum possible performance on that platform.
And most multiplatform games will be designed this way, because building a game for each platform from ground up means you cannot really share things between these builds.
You will need to work around different bottlenecks (every architecture has them) and it's just not feasible.
Pragmatically you will divide your game into a lot of small subsystems where you can tweak knobs and then design these subsystems around the most common denominator (least powerful component from all platforms).
Then you may turn these knobs a little for different platforms.
Obviously this design is very inefficient.
ResilientBanana
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The PS4 is balanced, but not better than PC by any means. You can try and provide any sort of disbelief/reasoning you want. But the simple fact remains, 100% of multi-platform titles look and perform better on PC. All Xbox exclusive games that are play-anywhere titles on the Xbox Platform are the same way and will continue to be that way unless Xbox truly has some special sauce that can prove otherwise. Chances are, that won’t happen.
joe_zazen
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You do realise there is more than one type of pc right?
ResilientBanana
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Yes, there’s also more than one PS4 and XboxOne. This trend will also continue next-gen. This is why they make games scaleable. But it still doesn’t change anything I said. Games will always look better on PC.
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Negotiator
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I feel like the next-gen game changer/killer app will be the custom SSD subsystem, not the CPU/GPU.
Good luck matching that with a $499 PC. 4 GB/s PCIe 4.0 SSDs will be hella expensive (not to mention overpriced X570 motherboards!), it's crazy that they have to use heatsinks for them.
Good luck matching that with a $499 PC. 4 GB/s PCIe 4.0 SSDs will be hella expensive (not to mention overpriced X570 motherboards!), it's crazy that they have to use heatsinks for them.
CyberPanda
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SonGoku
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Even at 13.4TF you reach 200W that leaves plenty of room to shave 50W and still comfortably hit 12TF+
LordOfChaos
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Drew Prairie, AMD spokesman: We might want to start with, we don’t know what Renoir is.
AMD’s Lisa Su at Computex, on the record: Threadripper, Huawei, ray tracing and more
AMD chief executive Lisa Su sits down with reporters following her keynote address at Computex. Here is our transcript of the conversation.
www.pcworld.com
demigod
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Drew Prairie, AMD spokesman: We might want to start with, we don’t know what Renoir is.
AMD’s Lisa Su at Computex, on the record: Threadripper, Huawei, ray tracing and more
AMD chief executive Lisa Su sits down with reporters following her keynote address at Computex. Here is our transcript of the conversation.
You forgot to add Lisa's response which contradicts Drews.
Su: That is not true. It is doing well.
SonGoku
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If we take AMD 1.25X IPC claim at face value a 12TF navi card would outperform a RTX2080 but to keep expectations in check and take into account best case scenario used to come up with that figure.
Not really, the first Navi products are low CU counts variants, pushing clocks too far for a performance target thus hitting diminishing returns.
You can get better perf/watt results with more CUs clocked lower. Another point of contention is 1 year from now 7nm yield will allow for better clocks or decreased voltages to reach current clocks
shark sandwich
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You are talking about a hypothetical PS5 GPU that’s presumably more powerful than the 225 Watt RX 5700 they just announced, but only consuming 150W.
If they had plenty of room they already would’ve done just that. You are setting yourself up for disappointment.
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