David Ricardo
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It could make some sense if the console releases in April 2020. But I still think it will be revealed early 2020 and released late 2020 with a full blowout at E3 2020 like last gen.
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Insane Metal
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It makes a lot of sense actually. The Next XBox reveal should be June 9... so Sony would come before just to screw them over...
LordOfChaos
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Just adding this here though in no way do I believe it.
PS5 over 12tf
Xbox premium over 11tf
PS5 blowing us away. Seems way more advanced than Xbox even the upper end model. Reveal June 3 for PS5.
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At least this one makes a claim we can soon falsify or not. June 3 or it's fake
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
If you're not going to be at E3, then why not show your cards after MS does? Create your event as a counter to MS, being that time is on your side and you're not going to be at E3.
bitbydeath
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I’m due for a day off work if true.
Ar¢tos
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Sony seems to be trying unconventional ways to "announce" things.
So look for subtle things out of place like:
- hobo in the background of a news report holding a cardboard sign with ps5 specs
- paper on the bedside table, in Winona Ryder "leaked" sex tape, with ps5 official price and release date written.
Or they might just do a stealth blog post with all the info to catch us by surprise.
So look for subtle things out of place like:
- hobo in the background of a news report holding a cardboard sign with ps5 specs
- paper on the bedside table, in Winona Ryder "leaked" sex tape, with ps5 official price and release date written.
Or they might just do a stealth blog post with all the info to catch us by surprise.
ethomaz
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While I call that bullshit too it makes sense for a early 2020 release.
Plus remember Sony is not attending E3 so a big event to reveal PS5 days before the event is GOD level.
HeisenbergFX4
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If a few of these "leaks" are correct that PS5 is a bigger machine and Sony knows this why not get those numbers out there before E3?
I agree though this cant be the reveal date.
bitbydeath
Member
That’s true.
Xbox announcement would be deflated if MS announces a weaker console after them.
David Ricardo
Member
Last time they revealed their specs and what next gen games looked like on the system before Microsoft did, but the actual details on pricing, DRM and Plus requirement later. It worked wonders last time, so I don't see any reason not to do the same thing again.
DemonCleaner
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Well because it is easier to reach high clocks with lower SPs
For example the same Arch can reach 2Ghz in clock with 40CUs but it won't pass 1.7Ghz with 64CUs (numbers from my ass just to exemplifique).
BTW 50CUs at 2000Mhz give you 12.8TFs
no console will trade lower CU counts for higher clocks [because you'll get in energy inefficient territory on the frequency / voltage curve] as long as it wont result in prohibatly huge die sizes. which - considering a max of 64CUs - is no problem at all on 7nm
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CyberPanda
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Barakov
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A little over three weeks before things start popping off.
xool
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HeisenbergFX4
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Since the Director of HardWare for Xbox tweeted this I think we are getting a Scorpio type of sizzle reel.
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ethomaz
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Well they already did Scorpio type of sizzle reel last E3 for Nextxbox.
TLZ
Banned
RuthenicCookie mentioned Q2 small reveal, so maybe this is it.
TLZ
Banned
Is that good?
HoldTheAir
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Honestly, I could see Sony announcing or teasing the PS5 before E3. Why would they let Microsoft steal the show without putting up some sort of fight? Either way, I'm pumped for Microsoft's E3 Briefing. Can't wait to see that they have to present!
Insane Metal
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HoldTheAir
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Does this mean AMD will be showing what's powering the next Xbox?
Insane Metal
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99.9% probability
HoldTheAir
Member
I'm freaking pumped!
CyberPanda
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From that one quote in there, he’s also said this in the past:Just adding this here though in no way do I believe it.
PS5 over 12tf
Xbox premium over 11tf
PS5 blowing us away. Seems way more advanced than Xbox even the upper end model. Reveal June 3 for PS5.
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Lol 4chan.
mckmas8808
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I do agree with you "IF" they know the PS5 is more powerful.
CyberPanda
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Haha.
SonGoku
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This is what i meant for PS4 BC on PS5 to be similar to how MS handles boost mode on the X for unpatched xbone games.
The X boost mode is superior to the Pro, and would like PS5 to handle boost mode for PS4 games similarly to how the X does it.
Would it be possible to use Pro patched games as the base for PS5 BC, that way PS5 boost mode could render at 4k (dynamic rez titles) and provide smooth locked 30/60 fps and 16AF?
thelastword
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Sony's console lands in 2020, they have said something, MS has not. MS has to reveal something and I think they will at E3..... Sony can wait to reveal PS5 as late as E3 2020.......And I think they should, where they can announce the most powerful box they can muster for November 2020...
I think MS may go for a full reveal this E3 and launch XB2 before PS5....... They will try to get Halo Infinite and a new Forza Motorsports ready, I think FM8 will be an XB2 title, hence why it's cooking much longer...... Maybe a new Fable by the Horizon team will be another of their XB2 titles .... I'm guessing that's where they're heading and the games they will show at this E3.
I think MS will jump into the water first a la Xbox 360.....Then they may try to do an XB2Pro after 3 years.....
xool
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Almost certainly .. it's like having a little cup of peanuts near your mouth to put peanuts in. You've still got a bowl of peanuts on the table but the cup is nearer your mouth. Also nobody else is allowed to touch the cup. But they can touch the bowl. The cup only holds 4 peanuts though.
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ANIMAL1975
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ethomaz
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In PC you can force somethings via driver like AA, AF, etc... so I'm sure you can force better AA, AF, etc with a stronger hardware like X does (AA is a bit complicated because the result could be disastrous).
Now fps and res all depends if they are unlocked/dynamic... if the game was coded locked I don't think you will see it go over that framerate no matter how stronger the hardware is.
TLZ
Banned
Sounds like a game Kojima would make.
SonGoku
Member
I was thinking of the increased performance per watt and arch advancements in general, but VRS will be HUGE too if it makes it to navi (i bet it makes it to ps5).This?
2017 AMD patent could bring Nvidia’s variable rate shading to Navi and next-gen consoles
An AMD patent application has been published today detailing its own method of variable rate shading – one of the key, non-RTX features of Nvidia’s latest Turing graphics card architecture. The application was filed back in 2017, and the timing does suggest there’s a good chance this could be...www.neogaf.com
mckmas8808
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SonGoku
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Yes i meant AF only like the X does it for unpatched games.
It would be ideal to have Pro patched games as the base for BC, then those games that feature dynamic rez can hit 4K and those with fluctuating 30fps can hit a locked 30 fps (or unlocked 60 fps games hitting locked 60)
So at the bare minimum can we expect at least Pro level settings for Pro patched PS4 games, that's my hope at least.
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ResilientBanana
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I think you are right avout the reveal, except they won't show the design.
thelastword
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Y
Despite all the fever for next gen, this gen is not close to being done, relative to quality titles and persons buying hardware.... Sony will double down on a reduced price PS4/PRO system this holiday, people will buy them in droves as there's still many people who will buy PS4 at the $179-199 range....... They have nothing to lose.... Sony will rack up PSN subs...... These new PS owners have no worries, they will buy as many games as they can on their new PS4's, because PS5 will be backwards compatible... A genius move to tell them that so early, that's strategy right there.......PS4 owners are guaranteed they won't be left out, they can upgrade to PS5 2 to 3 years after it launches and play all their titles, it's a win for them and for Sony. It locks and secures them in the ecosystem....
This announcement in Wired was not so much about PS5 but about establishing continuity and momentum for PS4...... I think you will see that Sony's focus is still PS4 this year...... They don't need to combat MS with semantics and a PS5 reveal this year, they only need to combat MS with games when it launches.... And of course, games for both PS4 and PS5 is brewing. So everybody in the ecosystem wins.
You could forget that such a reveal will be this year. Sony is about revealing release dates for Lou 2, Tsushima, Dreams, Death Stranding and whatever other titles they have cooking for this gen...... Inclusive of that is their revised and rumored PS4 hardware...... That will be their focus and nothing else.....
Despite all the fever for next gen, this gen is not close to being done, relative to quality titles and persons buying hardware.... Sony will double down on a reduced price PS4/PRO system this holiday, people will buy them in droves as there's still many people who will buy PS4 at the $179-199 range....... They have nothing to lose.... Sony will rack up PSN subs...... These new PS owners have no worries, they will buy as many games as they can on their new PS4's, because PS5 will be backwards compatible... A genius move to tell them that so early, that's strategy right there.......PS4 owners are guaranteed they won't be left out, they can upgrade to PS5 2 to 3 years after it launches and play all their titles, it's a win for them and for Sony. It locks and secures them in the ecosystem....
This announcement in Wired was not so much about PS5 but about establishing continuity and momentum for PS4...... I think you will see that Sony's focus is still PS4 this year...... They don't need to combat MS with semantics and a PS5 reveal this year, they only need to combat MS with games when it launches.... And of course, games for both PS4 and PS5 is brewing. So everybody in the ecosystem wins.
bitbydeath
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David Ricardo
Member
What if the latest leaks are true and PS5 has more teraflops but Anaconda performs better? It would make sense in that case to reveal their specs first and let Microsoft try to explain later why their console is supposedly better while having less teraflops. I'm sure that's going to be tough for Microsoft given that last gen they said the same and it wasn't true.
Dlacy13g
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100% chance that MS announces the next console... I would also say 90% chance it follows how they handled Scorpio announcement. That means 0% chance you get a box and price. At best you will get some specs for the machine. MS learned some hard lessons with the original Xbox One reveal and I don't see them fully showing their hand prior to next E3 assuming the launch of the next console is holiday 2020.
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xool
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Yeah so we get a name, probably a "coming Q1 2020" or similar .. I think they need to give a little more - maybe some vague numbers - I'd expect them to say "8 core Zen 2" and some performance number
Negotiator
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Maxwell secret sauce = https://www.techpowerup.com/231129/on-nvidias-tile-based-rendering
Ever wondered why 2080 Ti punches above its weight (616 GB/s vs 1024 GB/s) when it comes to traditional 3D rasterization?
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Specs
NVIDIA TU102, 1545 MHz, 4352 Cores, 272 TMUs, 88 ROPs, 11264 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 352 bit
AMD Radeon VII Specs
AMD Vega 20, 1750 MHz, 3840 Cores, 240 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 16384 MB HBM2, 1000 MHz, 4096 bit
Now you know why. AMD desperately needs this...
Vega doesn't have it enabled for some reason:
This is why people say Nvidia flops are superior. Navi will hopefully close this gap.
I think this has to do with INT4/INT8 acceleration, which has limited scope in video games.
It could be useful for AI/deep learning:
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wordslaughter
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The 20180Ti isn't punching above it's weight class. The 2080Ti is the one in the higher weight class. It's got more SP's, more TMU's more ROP's AND it clocks higher. ( It also costs twice as much ).
The Radeon 7 having more bandwidth doesn't mean it's more powerful, it just means it has more bandwidth. Having more bandwidth won't give you a higher frame rate. But not having enough of it will definitely reduce it.
Negotiator
Member
They're equal compute-wise (13.45 TF vs 13.44 TF) in case you didn't notice. Look it up.
I'm pretty sure Radeon VII is faster in heavy compute workloads due to its higher memory bandwidth. It's a card made for productivity/mining and less about 3D graphics.
3D graphics require clever tricks like tiled rasterization and rely much less on raw power. GCN GPUs have raw power, but they lack clever tricks (they're getting better though with every iteration).
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