Leeroy3101
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All of you are ridiculous. Not a single game played yet and we're at 5-10+ pages (depending on how you have it worked).
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NHL January 2013 |OT| - "Double-B to Double-M" The Milbury Leafs Era Begins NOW
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AlanSmithee
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Not til after 2014. They threatened to not let him participate in the Sochi Olympics if he left.
Granlund or BaertschiWho wins the Calder this year?
- Ryan Strome (NYI)
- Brandon Saad (CHI)
- Mika Zibanejad (OTT)
- Jonathan Huberdeau (FLA)
- Dougie Hamilton (BOS)
- Mikael Granlund (MIN)
- Nail Yakupov (EDM)
- Vladimir Tarasenko (STL)
- Chris Kreider (NYR)
- Justin Schultz (EDM)
- Mark Scheifele (WPG)
- Sven Baertschi (CGY)
Any others?
vatstep
This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
Agreed, let's talk about video games.
Nono, he wants a goalie who can perform in 4 stanley cup final games. Regular season, other playoff series, individual SCF final games all don't matter, didn't you know. All that matters is that Luongo had 3 blowout losses in one SCF. Disqualifies him IMMEDIATELY as goalie of a team that hasn't made the playoffs in years. Because really, they NEED those extra 2 SCF wins immediately, that's all that's been holding them back.
Blue balls, we're coming buckets.
KingHenrik30
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uhhh, Luongo wasn't the reason they won the gold. Not by a long shot.
I think 5th or 6th, but the lockout has certainly being good for the health of Philly's defense and the forwards are stacked so top 4 is possible.
All depends if Bryz wants to play hard enough to stay long term, of if he's already angling to get bought out in summer.
Not the reason, but a contributor, for sure. People say anyone could've won with that roster, but Brodeur couldn't. Luongo was very good in the gold medal game.
nou
But he also didn't shit the bed, is what I'm saying. Same reason Canucks didn't lose the SCF JUST because of Luongo. He's saying Luongo always shits the bed under pressure, but he doesn't, because he didn't let Canada lose the gold medal. Of course he needs a competent team in front of him, too. (which the Canucks couldn't be in the SCF against Boston)
You're right. But he was good enough to win gold, that's all that matters, really.
Fortunate's argument is like saying Brodeur shit the bed in the olympics, and he lost in game 7 of the Finals last season, so he's not good enough to play for the Leafs, career be damned.
General question, how long is the Ranger's window? How long will they have the cap space to accomodate all their stars? I feel like they should be the ones under the most pressure, among all teams.
Canucks window closing soooon
Every top team basically has a 5 year window at the absolute max. I would say the Nucks have 1-2 years left with theirs. Don't see NYR enough to guess theirs.
KingHenrik30
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All I'm saying is if we are going to pontificate on the merits and successes of Luongo I don't think the 2010 Olympics are the place to go. It's not as if he was the equivalent of Miller for the Americans in that tourney.
Kopitar is injured right now, knee.
KingHenrik30
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General question, how long is the Ranger's window? How long will they have the cap space to accomodate all their stars? I feel like they should be the ones under the most pressure, among all teams.
Canucks window closing soooon
2 years. Rangers are not in cap trouble this year or the next. But Richards/Lundqvist/Gaborik are getting older. 2 years.
Absolutely. He's been outstanding in the AHL. He'll get a ton of ice time with the Oilers.
This is going to be the breakout year for Oilers, right? Please?
Breakout to 25th overall.
KingHenrik30
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Schultz has impressed in the AHL. In the AHL. Let's see him play actual defense in the NHL before we hand him the Calder.
wsoxfan1214
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KingHenrik's window is probably about 15 games before swearing off watching them again.
Leafs have a lot of great up and coming D like holzer/rielly/gardiner with phaneuf, liles and gunnar...
A great 1st line when they click (lupul / Kessel / kadri)
A great 2nd line when they click (MacArthur / grabovski / JVR)
A 3rd line that can be good (kulemin / mcclement / bozak)
A standard 4th line ( steckel, brown, komorov)
We have to see if we can finally have a good season instead of a partial one
Luongo would be considered a near finishing touch as long as the rest of the team can pull together and play to their level
Leafs have a lot of firepower but can't keep the puck out of their net
Lots of potential but met with equal or greater amounts of failure
yankeehater
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If people are doing Flyers predictions I say 10th or 11th. Bryz is going to be terrible and I think the defense in front of him is going to be really fucking bad.
KingHenrik30
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Did I miss something or did Manics slip you some fan-fic?
brucewaynegretzky
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The team is virtually identical to the team you were saying all last year was amazing....
We lost JVR and Jagr and traded Carle for L. Schenn. Meanwhile Couts, Read, and Schenn have a year under their belt.
Surprisingly (and scarily), most of it will depend on Devan Dubnyk.
Are you guys arguing about whether or not Luongo and/or the Canucks are elite?
The answer to both is obviously yes.
Top-5 goalie. Top-3 team.
As much as I'd hate to see them win, the Canucks are serious contenders.
You sir, are drinking some kool-aid.
These all seem like pretty big problems.
KingHenrik30
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So no then?
SuperSonic1305
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I don't think so, especially not losing Carle. JVR barely contributed last season.
brucewaynegretzky
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JVR was hurt for the majority of last year and Jagr really trailed off at the end. Then add in that we had the best offense in the league. Those two are manageable.
The Carle/Schenn swap is kinda eh. We're worse, but not THAT much worse on D.
yankee was also last year's Bryz apologist extraordinaire, so it's weird to see him so down on him now.
Flyers are way better than 10th. :lol
Erdrick
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People can throw out as many stats as they like but the fact remains that Luongo, in front of millions of people, looked like absolute garbage in those SCF's in 2011. Regardless if he got shutouts in that same series, people wont remember that. They will remember him losing, and looking horrible as could be in the process.
And yeah, he played decent in the olympics, but when you have a virtual all-star team of talent in front of you, of course you will look better.
He's forever going to be known as the guy who choked in the final and couldn't deliver the cup to arguably one of the most talented Canucks teams, ever. He's looked upon as some fragile goalie, mentally, and yes, he is not the worst goalie ever, obviously, but when it counts, when you absolutely HAVE to win...
Luongo simply cannot.
And that screams poison to me in regards to any team. I pity the Canucks who have to deal with his huge contract, and I pity even more any team that is foolish enough to take him and his baggage.
Again, people can point out his win in the olympics, but so what? That's not the NHL. That's not what 700+ players are really all fighting for in this league. No doubt, an olympic gold medal is a fine honour for any athelete, but I'd wager that more kids growing up watching and playing hockey desire the Stanley Cup than a gold medal from the olympics.
And yeah, he played decent in the olympics, but when you have a virtual all-star team of talent in front of you, of course you will look better.
He's forever going to be known as the guy who choked in the final and couldn't deliver the cup to arguably one of the most talented Canucks teams, ever. He's looked upon as some fragile goalie, mentally, and yes, he is not the worst goalie ever, obviously, but when it counts, when you absolutely HAVE to win...
Luongo simply cannot.
And that screams poison to me in regards to any team. I pity the Canucks who have to deal with his huge contract, and I pity even more any team that is foolish enough to take him and his baggage.
Again, people can point out his win in the olympics, but so what? That's not the NHL. That's not what 700+ players are really all fighting for in this league. No doubt, an olympic gold medal is a fine honour for any athelete, but I'd wager that more kids growing up watching and playing hockey desire the Stanley Cup than a gold medal from the olympics.
Leafs expect him to play full time starting this year (that's what Burke was saying throughout the summer)
He's PPG on the marlies, at least
Dastardly Jerks
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Too happy that NHL is happening to care about that little Judas Iscariot. He'll get his come-uppence when he comes to Honda Centre.
But we're finally talking about hockey!
yankeehater
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I just have a really bad feeling about this year. I had hope for Bryz last year but that is all rightfully gone now. The D sucked last year and will be even worse this year, and I think the guys will front will have to do to much to overcome the other problems.
BWG I have no idea where you are getting it from that I thought last years team was amazing. I said last year before the playoffs that they had a 0% chance of reaching the SCF and I never waved from that.
FortunateSon
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Honestly. Through drafting. We've sucked all these years, might as well keep doing it and get a proper goalie through draft. For example, Malcolm Subban <-- Dude's fucking awesome. But Boston has him locked. Scouting etc... It's the best chance we got at truly getting a franchise goalie.
I have a feeling this is not about me not wanting Luongo on the leafs but rather canucks fans being on my case for calling Luongo out for what he is.
Like I said, it's more me having an issue with Luongo being a leaf. I don't want his contract, term, he's not getting any younger, he's definitely going to have a NEGATIVE cap hit (especially when he becomes more useless down the line) and in the future when we have a legitimate goaltender... He will fall in the same situation as he is in now with the canucks except this time, the leafs will be looking to unload his ass.
Oh yeah, not only that. Did I mention that we have to give up our prospects and picks for this goalie that can get us to the playoffs. Hoo the fuck ray!
Gold medal this, gold medal that. Wait, let me clear something for you.
http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci_id/69669/la_id/1.htm
Look at that roster. Look at that roster. Did you even watch the gold medal game? I'm sure you did. Yeah, he won that gold medal game BUT with the team in front of him that was stacked as fuck. Did you watch his actual saves? Hahaahaha. He did what he usually does best, play a solid game and that's it.
Now, did you watch Ryan Miller play for team USA? Holy shit. That's goaltending at its finest for team USA or in general. Ryan Miller deserved the gold medal. Luongo can eat shit. Did you see team's USA roster? It was much weaker than Canada's. Put Luongo in Ryan's Miller seat and guess what happens? Boston 2.0. Yeah, I'm making a bold assumption and I know that but looking the way he played for you guys in Vancouver during the playoffs makes me think that could have easily happened with Luongo.
Regular season don't mean shit, it's basically a coast. He was also terrible against LA. What's your point?
Wolf, X, Markov are all long gone or so it seems
MPW is technically a Habs fan, but his incessant depression is a mood killer. In that sense, you're right, he's basically Markov 2.0 :lol
Yeah man. Wolf was awesome. Markov was hilarious. It was fun those days, I'm seriously down for more habs fans in this thread. You guys are pretty hilarious.
Mpw should really post more often. Should represent and give the habs nation some weight in here.
No. I want a goalie that could do both. Reimer can't. Scrivens can't. Luongo can't. We've made the playoffs with guys like Joseph, Belfour etc... But in the end, it didn't get us anywhere but it was definitely fun.
I want someone like Carey Price, Malcolm Subban, Pekka Rinne etc... Not some dead-weight with a terrible contract that's over 30 years of age. How many more years do you think he will give leafs of solid goaltending? Max, maybe 3 years before he starts dwindling down like the old guy that he is at that point.
Good enough? He wasn't good enough the last I checked to win anything in the playoffs.
Yes. I wouldn't take Brodeur right now if offered? Why would I? He's wway past his prime. He's not playing like he was. He's a past shadow of his former self.
Dastardly Jerks
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So maximum contract length is 7, or 8 if you resign with your team?
Suck it haters, after Getzlaf and Perry beast out this year they're going to resign with us and make the Samuellis fork out dat cash.
Suck it haters, after Getzlaf and Perry beast out this year they're going to resign with us and make the Samuellis fork out dat cash.
scissorfight
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incredible. have to enjoy the 2 years we have left. i think he's back to russia after his deal is up.
not looking forward to that day
Jeff Taffe is a PPG player in the AHL too. Maybe the Leafs could slot him between Kessel & Lupul.
Time to ignore list fortunateson. Holy shit.
yankeehater
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He really is making up for lost time today.
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