Nintendo removes all mentions of VRR Docked compatibility from their websites.

Soodanim said:
Hmm, I dunno. I would think something like VRR would dictate the development goals, even if just an option devs include for those that go looking for it. Look at how performance modes caught on. They weren't a thing until it was tried and demand for them shot up. VRR is a foot in the door for a similar change, even if they aren't for everyone.

If the NS2 itself didn't have VRR, sure, I'd completely agree. But partial support just makes everything murky.

Another point to that is that devs don't always have locked 30fps. Drops are inevitable, and that's where VRR helps. It's basically a free helping hand, and losing that will be unfortunate even if only to a small audience.
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Options are always good but I think this is likely to be a matter of dev support rather than capability much like 8k on PS5 Pro. devs are increasingly going to aim for 30fps on Switch 2. Even now on a Series S there are a lot of games with no performance mode. The likelihood of games just having a fixed 30fps (too low for VRR even if there are framedrops below) is going to be even greater on Switch 2 where we're talking about PS4-like power. Where even things like performance mode hadn't taken off until PS4 Pro. I believe they're going to forgo VRR and aim for 30fps a lot of the time hence why VRR becomes less relevant to point out as a feature.
 
Three said:
Options are always good but I think this is likely to be a matter of dev support rather than capability much like 8k on PS5 Pro. devs are increasingly going to aim for 30fps on Switch 2. Even now on a Series S there are a lot of games with no performance mode. The likelihood of games just having a fixed 30fps (too low for VRR even if there are framedrops below) is going to be even greater on Switch 2 where we're talking about PS4-like power. Where even things like performance mode hadn't taken off until PS4 Pro. I believe they're going to forgo VRR and aim for 30fps a lot of the time hence why VRR becomes less relevant to point out as a feature.
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30fps is already an issue on a handheld.

30fps on a modern TV is absolutely unplayable and unacceptable.

The more I think about it, the more I start to dislike Nintendo. Always thought they were pro consumer (bc of their game quality) but in reality they are as much anti consumer as Sony.

I don't feel respected anymore as a player and as someone without unlimited funds. Maybe it's time to make some changes.
 
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Shaki12345 said:
30fps is already an issue on a handheld.

30fps on a modern TV is absolutely unplayable and unacceptable.
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I mean games like cyberpunk have no 60fps mode on Switch 2 as far as I know so I think you better get used to it unacceptable or not. Its fps is below VRR range.
 
Three said:
I mean games like cyberpunk have no 60fps mode on Switch 2 as far as I know so I think you better get used to it unacceptable or not. Its fps is below VRR range.
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It's unacceptable to me. I bought Witcher 3 Switch to see how it ran. Fantastic port and very interesting to see how they got it working.

However, since I own all platforms, these days of trying impossible ports (just for the sake of supporting the studio or technical interest) are over. I deserve the best experience and am absolutely done with low framerate content and graphical inconsistenties.

Anything under 40fps I will skip. If I can play it somewhere else in a better framerate I will. Handheld play has no value to me. I only cate about MP, Zelda and Mario Kart anyway.
 
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Ah, my bad. Technical threads is not really my jam… So we know that it has VRR, the discussion is rather about how useful that feature will be when developers make games for the Nintendo Switch 2, based on the power available. If I understand it correctly.
 
boo said:
Ah, my bad. Technical threads is not really my jam… So we know that it has VRR, the discussion is rather about how useful that feature will be when developers make games for the Nintendo Switch 2, based on the power available. If I understand it correctly.
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There is no evidence anymore that the dock supports VRR. Only handheld is now confirmed.
 
Three said:
Not when most of your third party games are likely to be running at 30fps for compatibility. I think this is mostly why they removed it. Most modern games on it would not be above the VRR range anyway and their first party stuff is locked with good performance and doesn't need VRR.
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LFC effectively drops the VRR range's minimum to 20-24 FPS.
 
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So, for instance, there may be a game that have VRR in handheld mode and in tabletop mode, but not in docked mode?
 
Thanks for your answer, I guess I just have to wait and see what developers come up with regarding VRR on the Nintendo Switch 2.
 
Sega does what Nintendon't

Charging Lets Go GIF
 
It's impressive how Nintendo had years to better prepare it's hardware for the new gen yet everything shown so far looks rushed.
 
Panajev2001a said:
LFC effectively drops the VRR range's minimum to 20-24 FPS.
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True but LFC is very hit and miss on support. Does the HDMI 2.1b spec even officially have it as part of the spec? I think the connected device doubles the frames and it's not TV dependent? but I'm not sure if the Switch 2 supports it at all to begin with. Hopefully.
 
Three said:
True but LFC is very hit and miss on support. Does the HDMI 2.1b spec even officially have it as part of the spec? I think the connected device doubles the frames and it's not TV dependent? but I'm not sure if the Switch 2 supports it at all to begin with. Hopefully.
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Switch 2 is HDMI 2.0
 
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Esppiral said:
That makes no sense
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I'm no techie, but Nintendo knows every Switch 2 LCD panel it ships supports VRR, but lawyers might have told them they can't guarantee every TV connected to a Switch 2 supports VRR. The implications, from a LEGAL standpoint, might be that every Switch 2 will transform your TV to a TV that is capable of VRR.
 
DenchDeckard said:
Crazy how their hardware is so cheap but they deliver the most fun and ingenious mechanics of any of the big three

To the point other developers have nothing they can do but copy.

Yeah ill take more child friendly hardware for great ingenious games any day of the week.

What do you look for in games. Shiny graphics and incredibly directed cutscenes where you watch like a tv show?

Banging
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Yeah because good hardware is only for shiny graphics and cutscenes.
 
Shaki12345 said:
To be honest, after pre-ordering via Nintendo, this news really makes me question my purchase. No analogue triggers was already a step too far for me, but this is really the icing on the cake.

These are primarily anti consumer decisions that save them money but hamper the playing experience. That's tells you everything you need to know.

- Outrageous game prices
- No VRR which means the system is much less future proof
- No analogue triggers so driving (and driving games) are absolutely horrible to play if not impossible.

Ugh. The only thing that keeps me interested is MP4, a future Zelda and Mario Kart.
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They are counting on people overlooking weaknesses because of MP4, Zelda, Mario Kart etc.

This all feels very N64 with better 3rd party to be honest — a console I bought for the amazing 3D Mario Game (see Mario Kart World) but was let down at every turn because of XYZ features that were missing that my friends with Saturns and PlayStations were enjoying.
 
Three said:
True but LFC is very hit and miss on support. Does the HDMI 2.1b spec even officially have it as part of the spec? I think the connected device doubles the frames and it's not TV dependent? but I'm not sure if the Switch 2 supports it at all to begin with. Hopefully.
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Again, it would be stupid for Nintendo not to support it in 2025.

Anyways, nice thread on VRR and LFC and the downsides of the latter: https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=6524#p48258
 
Shaki12345 said:
30fps is already an issue on a handheld.

30fps on a modern TV is absolutely unplayable and unacceptable.

The more I think about it, the more I start to dislike Nintendo. Always thought they were pro consumer (bc of their game quality) but in reality they are as much anti consumer as Sony.

I don't feel respected anymore as a player and as someone without unlimited funds. Maybe it's time to make some changes.
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This may be a tempest in a teacup, and the general consumer population may buy it in droves, but I get what you mean.

Sure they're a business, and they make choices based on ROI ratger than goodwill, but I think Nintendo underestimated how negative the reception toward their pricing (game pricing specifically) was going to be. Every conversation about their new system--from Doug Bowser's interviews with mainstream media to major gaming-centric podcasts--has been colored by price discussions. It's not exactly the message and impressions they were hoping to send out into the world at this moment, and they only have themselves to blame.

It's not as bad as "TV, TV, TV," and this won't be another Wii U, sales wise, but it could be another 3DS. Either way, I think Nintendo is in for a rude awakening, and they may want to reconsider their choice of CEO, if he's going to let messaging get this off the rails and torch a geberation's of goodwill without actually profiting from it.
 
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Zannegan said:
This may be a tempest in a teacup, and the general consumer population may buy ut in droves, but I get what you mean.

Sure they're a business, and they make choices based on ROI ratger than goodwill, but I think Nintendo underestimated how negative the reception toward their pricing (game pricing specifically) was going to be. Every conversation about their new system--from Doug Bowser's interviews with mainstream media to major gaming-centric podcasts--has been colored by price discussions. It's not exactly the message and impressions they were hoping to send out into the world at this moment, and they only have themselves to blame.

It's not as bad as "TV, TV, TV," and this won't be another Wii U, sales wise, but it could be another 3DS. Either way, I think Nintendo is in for a rude awakening, and they may want to reconsider their choice of CEO, if he's going to let messaging get this off the rails and torch a geberation's of goodwill without actually profiting from it.
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Nintendo has lost the ability to control the narrative. They had the chance to address the noise and they didn't.

Now they'll burn. The question is, how much.

Their communication strategy is absolutely horrible. They have no idea what to do. As a fan I feel disrespected. And that's bad news.
 
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Panajev2001a said:
Again, it would be stupid for Nintendo not to support it in 2025.

Anyways, nice thread on VRR and LFC and the downsides of the latter: https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?t=6524#p48258
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Honestly, if you want my opinion I don't think it would be stupid for Nintendo not to support LFC at the system level, locked 30fps is a very achievable target framerate. Even the PS5 Pro doesn't have LFC support on the system level. It's up to devs to implement LFC and it would be up to them on Switch 2 too. It's not really supported by most devs though which is why it's very hit and miss. There are barely any games with LFC support.
 
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Buggy Loop said:
What does that have to do with switch 2, this thread, your claim that Nintendo cheaps out all the time, and my reply that most peoples in the thread for the screen rumors for 120Hz HDR VRR gave the same reason as you for not believing the rumour are now eating crow?

This reply you made is nonsense.
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Eating crow assumes I have changed stances after learning something. But no, fuck Nintendo
 
Shaki12345 said:
Nintendo has lost the ability to control the narrative. They had the chance to address the noise and they didn't.

Now they'll burn. The question is, how much.

Their communication strategy is absolutely horrible. They have no idea what to do. As a fan I feel disrespected. And that's bad news.
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Disrespect in what way?
If you don't want to buy their product, then don't. This is not some matter of honor, merely a potential business transaction. If you want to walk away from Nintendo games then do so. I don't know why you feel you have to be respected. Financial transactions are honor-neutral. There is no shame or honor in purchasing something for money.
 
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DeltaPolarBear said:
Disrespect in what way?
If you don't want to buy their product, then don't. This is not some matter of honor, merely a potential business transaction. If you want to walk away from Nintendo games then do so. I don't know why you feel you have to be respected. Financial transactions are honor-neutral. There is no shame or honor in purchasing something for money.
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Listen pal. If I have a store, and I love my store and I respect my customers, I'd do anything to keep their respect.

Customer first. That's how I roll. And that's how I've been succesful in sales. You need to balance that.

If the customer loses respect for the company, the company loses money. It's a thin line for Nintendo to walk on and they're way too arrogant now.

They lost the ability to control the narrative. It should've been about games. But now it's about money.

And that is BAD.
 
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Shaki12345 said:
Listen pal. If I have a store, and I love my store and I respect my customers, I'd do anything to keep their respect.

Customer first. That's how I roll. And that's how I've been succesful in sales.

If the customer loses respect for the company, the company loses money. It's a thin line for Nintendo to walk on and they're way too arrogant now.
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Why are they arrogant? the game price thing sucks, but what else? is that the main reason?
 
DenchDeckard said:
Why are they arrogant? the game price thing sucks, but what else? is that the main reason?
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Yes. And their lack of communication and their inability to address the noise. They lost the narrative and that's a PR nightmare as u can see.

People should talk about the games mate. But they talk about the price.

It isn't science mate.
 
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Shaki12345 said:
Yes. And their lack of communication and their inability to address the noise. They lost the narrative and that's a PR nightmare as u can see.

People should talk about the games mate. But they talk about the price.

It isn't science mate.
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All that price shit will go away. People love to complain. THe console isnt even that expensive in the UK. You get Mario Kart for £30 with the console. The game price thing is legit but I think a lot of it is the usual internet noise or people following trends.

The mario Kart direct was filled with people saying drop the price. Its not even real anymore, its just people following the new trend. They just want to be a part of the crowd complaining.
 
DenchDeckard said:
All that price shit will go away. People love to complain. THe console isnt even that expensive in the UK. You get Mario Kart for £30 with the console. The game price thing is legit but I think a lot of it is the usual internet noise or people following trends.

The mario Kart direct was filled with people saying drop the price. Its not even real anymore, its just people following the new trend. They just want to be a part of the crowd complaining.
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I don't think you understand how marketing works.

When you release a new product the talk should be about the product. Not about how bad the pricing is. Not how incapable the company is in communicating with its user base.

Nintendo now has 0 control over the narrative. That's very dangerous. And that's WiiU dangerous.
 
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Shaki12345 said:
I don't think you understand how marketing works.

When you release a new product the talk should be about the product. Not about how bad the pricing is. Not how incapable the company is in communicating with its user base.

Nintendo now has 0 control over the narrative. That's very dangerous. And that's WiiU dangerous.
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So, you think they have done irreparable damage? the switch 2 will be a flop?

What do we say if its the biggest launch in history and sells millions?
 
DenchDeckard said:
So, you think they have done irreparable damage? the switch 2 will be a flop?

What do we say if its the biggest launch in history and sells millions?
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It's repairable. But they have done 0 damage control. That's a bad move in marketing. People feel disrespected and unacknowledged. You want your customers to trust you.

Nintendo completely lost the narrative and chance to change it. The narrative is now being controlled by us and the media.

Nintendo, since Reggie left, seem to have lost all communication skills as well.
 
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