Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.
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Corporate apologist? Let's calm down here for a sec and realize that just because I'm not at the point of insane outrage doesn't mean I'm totally cool with this.
I've stated several times that its a stupid maneuver and pretty cheap of them, but at the same time I shrug my shoulders and realize that $8 isn't going to break me when my other opportunity costs with other handhelds/mobiles would be far higher. It's an economic decision I've calculated and made.
I just find the passion-play level of overreactions to be a bit much. And I think that's a fair criticism. I understand that you're upset but I honestly am struggling to grasp how you think government intervention is required over an $8 AC Adapter. That to be frank is just absurd.
WrenchNinja
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They've been posting losses because of including that damn ac adapter in North America!
With this decision theyll be making the big bucks again!
Honestly? I think it's because of the box size. I'm going to pull this from another poster
There you go. Shipping costs. Why they didn't say this instead of what they said I'll never know but, when placed in this context, yeah, I get it. I might not like it, but it's bullcrap that shipping is so expensive anyways.
Not that it's going to stop you guys from screaming "worst company eva!!" and demanding it be pulled apart for a $5-$10 charger but I've grown used to this by now.
There you go. Shipping costs. Why they didn't say this instead of what they said I'll never know but, when placed in this context, yeah, I get it. I might not like it, but it's bullcrap that shipping is so expensive anyways.
Not that it's going to stop you guys from screaming "worst company eva!!" and demanding it be pulled apart for a $5-$10 charger but I've grown used to this by now.
Eh, it's shitty, but whatever. Pay the extra $10 and you're done.
:lol
Oh, the drama.
:lol
Oh, the drama.
Standardized microusb would be nice. Then again, I wonder if they're worried about security and hacking the hardware. Then again again, the New 3DS connects to a PC via network sharing wifi, as detailed by someone else on GAF, so that point is moot.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939712
Mr_L
Member
If anything, this is the worst part of all.
Daria Morgendorffer
Member
Kinda ridiculous Nintendo made this decision but I really think some people in this thread are overreacting a bit. Saying that people are overreacting doesn't mean I side with Nintendo on this matter.
I wonder, I'm from Europe and here the normal XL didn't come with a charger either, was there any uproar on GAF when that became public knowledge too?
I wonder, I'm from Europe and here the normal XL didn't come with a charger either, was there any uproar on GAF when that became public knowledge too?
But they have to ship standalone adapters.
Omnii-chan
Member
I imagine most people upgrade systems. Meaning they trade in or sell the old one for the new one... making this endevour pointless. It's what I will do with the n3DS... not gonna keep my old XL.
At least you can get official power adapters really cheap and easy this way if you ever need a replacement or spare.
At least you can get official power adapters really cheap and easy this way if you ever need a replacement or spare.
n0razi
Member
they could have at least thrown in a USB based charge cable (some budget smartphones do this)... you can get a cheapo chinese made one for $2 on amazon
Not as many as New 3DS XL units.
Chindogg is on point guys...
Again, the rest of the world pretty much said "that's annoying but oh well" and paid the extra few dollars/euros/pound/yen/gil/zenny.
Is your parents picking this up for you? Cause complaining like you'd be surprised when you find out you don't have a charger after buying it from the store going home to opening it? You buy a charger while your at the store, or while your shopping online. The target audience is obviously for upgraders.
People who know about the New 3DS and want it will do there research(it takes 10 secs to find out it doent come with a charger) I doubt this system is going to have alot of advertising behind it. The kids who do tell there parents to buy it will know it doesn't come with a charger and they'll tell them to make sure to include it to the purchase. This is an upgraded system there selling at the same price as a XL there's going to be cost cuts that you guys don't know and obviously don't understand.
For godsakes its 10 dollars some of you people are ridiculous.
Dreamwriter
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Here's what it is: Nintendo sells tens of millions of their handhelds. By not including the AC adapter, they can now sell tens of millions of AC adapters (which are $10 at full price, which is what most people will pay). Even if Nintendo only makes $1 profit for each adapter, that's a large chunk of change.
trogdorddragon
Banned
Up next: Nintendo no longer including power adapters for Wii U to save you money.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Yah so Nintendo shouldn't have a problem including it.
Bought a new phone, get a charger. Bought a new Ipad, get a charger. Bought a new power supply, it has the cord.
Nintendo will sell tens of millions of New 3DSs only in their dreams.
From DSi till New 3DS, everything works.
TheSlySoul
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Next console is not going to have controllers included.
Watch it happen.
PS2 and PS3 used same power cable. So what?
WrenchNinja
Member
If it's only 10 dollars, then Nintendo should be able to afford it with taking in the cost like every other tech company.
Pathfinder
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This was my position in the other thread that was discussing this issue, but sadly, for some, it seems to be a "if you're not with us, you're against us" kind of situation.
So because we're not lighting our torches and grabbing our pitchforks, we are labeled as corporate apologists.
So be it.
Ninja Scooter
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So the consumer is ridiculous for not wanting to pay about for an $10 adapter, but the corporation is not ridiculous for not wanting to pay how ever many cents it would cost them to buy/manufacturer these things in bulk? Fantastic logic. What an apologist. Somehow I feel an avatar quote is in order here.
brotkasten
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It would be an acceptable response, if they had changed the charging port to micro USB. That's a charger most people got at home anyway. But keeping it proprietary and charging extra for the charger is nonsense.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
That is the thing though, it's even less than $10 for them. They probably cost 1/4 of that.
Yep.
For godsakes it's a battery powered console with no charger included. Some of you people are ridiculous.
And shipping those probably cost less then having a new 3DS box. Like I said, it's extremely shitty, but I do see why. I still don't like it.
I wish they did but it's already too late. I guess another reason (and this is purely speculation on my part) is that they already do this for both Japan and Europe so they want to standardize it for this version of the 3DS. I wish they did the opposite but oh well.
Pretty much. The internet seems way too infatuated with the entire hyperbole thing.
Because the goddamn thing doesn't work out of the box without it. It isn't an accessory that you MIGHT need, it is absolutely required to use the device. Yes, they should absolutely prevent companies for releasing shit that doesn't work without essential, required accessories, especially proprietary ones.
And yes, the $8 AC adapter is a big deal. If it wasn't, obviously we wouldn't be having this conversation. It is obviously a big deal to Nintendo, because they aren't putting it in the damn box. They should have included it and made the price $209.99. Oh, the price isn't sexy and doesn't make sense? TOO FUCKING BAD. Include the damn adapter you cheap ass bastards.
yongeandcollege
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Sony was "forced" into this decision after MS showed that the market would bare it. Having free multiplayer did little for the PS3 in North America. Not charging for multiplayer would have been leaving hundreds of millions a year on the table. Including the games make the bitter pill slightly less gross to swallow for many people.
Nintendo's decision seems petty and penny pinching. It's not a good look precisely because the stakes are seemingly so low.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
My iPhone 5s charger is seriously tiny. It would barely increase the box size if they went for something like that as opposed to the giant one they are using currently. Even a 1m USB cable would suffice.
WrenchNinja
Member
The rest of the world easily accepting this has now allowed Nintendo to do it everywhere. Thanks guys!
Lalalandia
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Nintendo chooses to prioritise their cost structure on the console (lower transport costs, not needing separate packaging for NA vs other territories, etc) and make additional margin on the AC adaptor and folks defend it. Is it any wonder they do this when they know a substantial portion of their fans will give them a free pass?
Nope a mate has a simple USB->3DS cable so it's 5V USB std power for charging that thing
Nope a mate has a simple USB->3DS cable so it's 5V USB std power for charging that thing
Just hook up the power lines. You don't have to connect data lines to charge via USB. There's no hacking danger.
I honestly think they're simply invested in the slightly electrically different system for the DSi/3DS and it'd be expensive to back out now. Hopefully they'll change that for the successor.
I hate this whole "others did similar things before, so it makes it okay" bullshit people are trying to push. Or "they're easy to buy elsewhere, quit being a baby" somehow being a decent argument to not including something that is necessary for the machine to function in the box.
You sure? Isn't the new 3DS XL a little bigger? How will it fit on the old cradle if it's larger? I think the ports are in different locations as well.
n0razi
Member
yep... same thing when the vita first came out and it didnt include a memory card
nintendo should know better
imagine if the wii u was released without any AV or HDMI cables since you can just use the one from the wii rite?
This definitely plays a huge role in this.
Also, when I first saw the box for the XL (EU) I was surprised at how incredibly tiny it is. Seriously, my OG 3DS box is hilariously huge by comparison.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Remember how much people raged/got excited over HDMI cables being included with a new console purchase...wonder why that is. Don't you guys have em laying around, they are really cheap online. Think of the $10 savings that could be passed onto the customer. If they pulled those from the box the systems would no doubt reflect that and the consoles would be cheaper...right.
Well... I mean... It is, somewhat? The lightning cable is proprietary.
And c'mon. The average consumer that will be purchasing it for the first time.
Dead Man Typing
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I've worked in retail and it is amazing how much smaller packaging becomes for consoles once the smaller revisions are released. The slim PS2 without the power brick package was so much smaller in comparison to the previous slim model that they could fit 5 in the same size box instead of 4. Just by losing the power brick, which wasn't massive.
Same reason to leave out the plug - by charging $8 dollars for the AC adapter on it's own, this covers the shipping and manufacturing costs of the adapter separately from the console. They can fit more consoles per crate shipped and in theory pass the savings onto the consumer - or keep the profits for themselves.
It's a terrible practice but in the current market it's obviously one that has worked for Nintendo in Europe and Japan. There's no reason this wouldn't come to the US.
I can't remember if I had to trade my adapter in when I swapped my 3DS for my XL (UK) - I don't think I did. Or maybe I'm using a charger from my brother's DSi.... I'm not sure. I didn't have to buy one separately in either case.
See, this is good discussion. Great commentary.
That's an interesting point. And thanks for the info on USB.
TheSlySoul
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Shh, you are using logic.
Next console will come with no controllers and uses Wiimotes to play.
The Wiimote will be $8 on Amazon, so it will be ok to not include it.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I do wish they went to other options instead of just going "meh, let's just sell it separately." But they didn't, and there was a semi-acceptable explanation over the one they gave publicly. So, it's more of a "bad business decision" over "most evil corporation ever" that people on these forums seems to be going about.
Blue Submarine No. 6
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I agree that this is a shitty thing to do. North American consumers expect an AC adapter to be included when they purchase portable electronics, the exception being a simple USB cable for charging in it's stead. Not providing one is cheap and petty and likely to irritate more than a few consumers, who'll grumble at the sales clerk and pay for one...
But I think we're being naive here if we think this decision was made by Nintendo in a vacuum; retailers like Game Stop and EB Games have got to love this change. Now, the EB clerk can sell you a package of extra styli, a case, screen protectors, an extended warranty AND a charger. They're pretty damned sure of getting you to pick up atleast the charger, and as students of consumer behavior can tell you, it's getting you to add that one extra that's the hard part; people will often just grab whatever else seems even remotely interesting after that... as a part of a retail strategy for the hardware, it makes sense...
still scummy as hell though
It's hilarious if you believe this. It probably costs Nintendo like $1 to manufacture the AC adapter. How much does the adapter cost at retail to purchase? Has Nintendo ever sold an accessory for less than $9.99 at retail?
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
The Lightning cable thing is particularly bad. I've bought third party cables (instead of paying apple THIRTY NINE DOLLARS) and an OS update has blocked them from working. That is ultimate shit-tier anti consumer stuff, IMO. But then my third party cable could start a fire and incinerate my family, or some other apologist bullshit. Nintendo's thing is atrociously cheap, nothing more. At least it's not somewhat hostile
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
When they redesign the PS4 Sony should remove the HDMI cable and power cord. They use the same ones from the PS3 right? People have em lying around, it would drop the console price by an additional $20!