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[JazzmanZ]

It's hard to take anybody seriously in these type of threads because so much profanity and hyperbole that gets thrown around.

I mean, if you were going to get a New 3DS chances are you already own a Charging cord for a 3DS or DSi somewhere, even if you somehow miraculously don't they go as low as 10 bux a pop.

 

[7DollarHagane]

You're mistaken. The NES and SNES use different size plugin. And N64 AC adapter is way, way, way different than the previous consoles.

He's probably thinking of the AV multi-out that the SNES, N64, and GameCube used. They were all the same.

 

[WrenchNinja]

I must be in the minority who really doesn't care about the lack of an AC adapter. I've already got three. I assume most of you who are whining and complaining own one or two.

As for the "yeah but I want to trade my 3DS in to Gamestop for a promotion!!" angle, aren't you going to want to transfer your old data over to your new 3DS? I know I've got a bunch of retail/eShop/VC games I would want on my new system.

Really I don't think the majority of people purchasing the N3DS will be new owners so a charger shouldn't be an issue. I actually believe Nintendo when they say it's for environmental reasons. I don't need a bunch of useless chargers around my house and neither do any of you.

Get upset over the fact there is only the XL version or something else that actually matters. This is a non-issue.

I have one for my current 3DS.

What about it? Some stores are allowing the transfer in store or allowing you to do the trade in after the fact when you have the receipt. How does this change the part where one of the trade in requirements is the charger?

It is an issue. Hence this and other threads. If you believe Nintendo, ask yourself why are they doing other environmentally unfriendly things that they're still currently doing? Does the environmental excuse still sound believable?

A charger for a device that requires one to work does matter. Not being able to dress up their 3DS, get a cheaper model, a model with a better PPI or an ergonomically friendly model for the consumer also matters to some.

 

[TheSlySoul]

It is whining and complaining now to expect a device to ship with the shit that is required to make it usable? Really?

You are talking to people that probably defended N64 carts, GC discs, and the Wii only being in SD.
I wouldn't bother with it.

At what point did $199 become low priced for a dedicated gaming handheld?

$200 for something that plays 240p in 3D. Wait a minute, you can get $100 tablets that play 720p games.
Actually I bet a Dell Venue 7 could run Xenoblade smoother than the new 3DS.

 

[SmokedMeat]

It does cost nintendo less to produce a charger than it costs the consumer to purchase one, but the costs to either side are minimal.

Im not saying this is a good move or even an acceptable decision but the kind of anger and reactions its getting is so exaggerated to what the actual end result is.

New 3DS XL is a end of life product redesign. This is probably it for the 3DS line.

Nintendo and Sony do the same thing with their end of life redesigns the PS3 Super Slim and the XBox 360 S - no HDMI cable or video cable of any sort in the box.

That's because this is the time where you cut costs the most to get margins on a relatively low priced product.

So where's the uproar about Sony and Microsoft removing HDMI cables? Because everyone has one. . . . oh.

At what point did $199 become low priced for a dedicated gaming handheld?

And you're lying about Microsoft and Sony not including any sort of video cables to connect the 360/PS3 to a TV.

 

[7DollarHagane]

It's hard to take anybody seriously in these type of threads because so much profanity and hyperbole that gets thrown around.

I mean, if you were going to get a New 3DS chances are you already own a Charging cord for a 3DS or DSi somewhere, even if you somehow miraculously don't they go as low as 10 bux a pop.

Right - the hyperbole and anger is so childish in my opinion. It's a bad decision but it's not something that is really that significant.

 

[WrenchNinja]

It's hard to take anybody seriously in these type of threads because so much profanity and hyperbole that gets thrown around.

I mean, if you were going to get a New 3DS chances are you already own a Charging cord for a 3DS or DSi somewhere, even if you somehow miraculously don't they go as low as 10 bux a pop.

If they're so cheap, Nintendo can afford to include one.

 

[7DollarHagane]

At what point did $199 become low priced for a dedicated gaming handheld?

And you're lying about Microsoft and Sony not including any sort of video cables to connect the 360/PS3 to a TV.

Sorry, after researching the amazon product pages a standard definition RCA cable is included. Apparently this is okay for people to use on PS3/360 somehow and very few people would want/need to buy an HDMI cable separate.

 

[Mik317]

At what point did $199 become low priced for a dedicated gaming handheld?

And you're lying about Microsoft and Sony not including any sort of video cables to connect the 360/PS3 to a TV.

Pretty sure the newer models did not come with hdmi cables...

could be wrong

 

[Aquamarine]

It's hard to take anybody seriously in these type of threads because so much profanity and hyperbole that gets thrown around.

I mean, if you were going to get a New 3DS chances are you already own a Charging cord for a 3DS or DSi somewhere, even if you somehow miraculously don't they go as low as 10 bux a pop.

anti-consumer corporate apologism isn't the right way to approach this

 

[7DollarHagane]

If they're so cheap, Nintendo can afford to include one.

How many times are you going to post this? You acknowledge that it's cheap. You agree with the quoted post. BOTH the consumer and Nintendo can afford to include one.

 

[KungFucius]

Fuck Nintendo is all I have to say about this. They could have give a damn USB cable charger and saved some face, but no can't include a few dollar part because your system is upgrade only?

You lost my good will when I would have otherwise thrown money at you.

 

[Khaos_Knight]

Why do defenders of this constantly remind us that buying the cables from Amazon is only X dollars?

Constantly reminding us that the cables are super cheap only makes Nintendo excuses for not including them that much worse since the cables are sold at extremely marked up prices at retail.

Things are going to be very, very interesting when the shortages start popping up.

 

[Petrae]

If the extra 10 bucks is that much of a problem for your financial situation, you shouldn't be buying a $200 device.

Sorry.

I'm not loaded either but if I was that cash strapped a fucking videogame handheld is the least of my worries.

Again I have said this sucks and should be included and all that but come on guys.

and if those testimonials made you feel like upgrading and yet an unfortunate $10 purchase is what swayed you from not buying it..then what does that say about your initial interest?

If this is the final straw to make you boycot Nintendo, go for it...I just find it super silly that THIS is where people drew the line.

It's not the money. It's the fucking principle behind it. Any other video game hardware I buy or have bought comes with a power supply. Every smartphone and tablet I've bought comes with a charging cable-- at least. And every Nintendo handheld I've bought since 2003-- GBA SP, DS, DS Lite, DSi, 3DS, and 3DS XL-- hasn't forced me to buy a separate charger for it.

3DS XL does, because reasons. I won't support a device that forces me to spend more money for it to work longer than 2-3 hours out of the box, no matter what my interest level in it may be.

It was a shitty move when Nintendo pulled this in other territories, and it's shitty here.

 

[nateeasy]

Ya. I'm not buying a N3DSXL now. Or whatever it's called.

 

[Mik317]

If they're so cheap, Nintendo can afford to include one.

yes...yes they can.

I agree..i think most people agree (except a few ...crazies) that they should of shipped with it.

however..for this to be the dealbreaker is just silly when the damn things cost 10 bucks at most or you have a few laying around, can borrow, shank a guy for, whatever.

IDK it just seems really small to get your panties in a bunch over.

It sucks. Should happen, Nintendo should be ashame, great dishonor, yaddi yaddi yadda.
Not a big deal at the end of the day.

 

[Mik317]

It's not the money. It's the fucking principle behind it. Any other video game hardware I buy or have bought comes with a power supply. Every smartphone and tablet I've bought comes with a charging cable-- at least. And every Nintendo handheld I've bought since 2003-- GBA SP, DS, DS Lite, DSi, 3DS, and 3DS XL-- hasn't forced me to buy a separate charger for it.

3DS XL does, because reasons. I won't support a device that forces me to spend more money for it to work longer than 2-3 hours out of the box, no matter what my interest level in it may be.

It was a shitty move when Nintendo pulled this in other territories, and it's shitty here.

Good for you. Maybe they will learn from this then

 

[Winterfang]

yes...yes they can.

I agree..i think most people agree (except a few ...crazies) that they should of shipped with it.

however..for this to be the dealbreaker is just silly when the damn things cost 10 bucks at most or you have a few laying around, can borrow, shank a guy for, whatever.

IDK it just seems really small to get your panties in a bunch over.

It sucks. Should happen, Nintendo should be ashame, great dishonor, yaddi yaddi yadda.
Not a big deal at the end of the day.

The problem is not the price. The problem is that it doesn't work without it

 

[TheSlySoul]

anti-consumer corporate apologism isn't the right way to approach this

I knew I liked you for a reason.
I joke around, but nobody should be dismissing this. It is bull and we should be calling attention to it. Brushing it under the rug is what Nintendo wants you to do.

The problem is not the price. The problem is that it doesn't work without it

Use a 2 GB microSD card instead of 4, include charge cable. Save money. Sure you cannot save that many games, but at least it works.
At least a flash drive worked for the Xbox 360 when it launched and the lowest model included it.

I didn't know people kept the old versions of something except for Nintendo handhelds. You buy a PS3 slim, you are most likely going to sell your PS3 fat. I doubt your buyer would appreciate you not including a power cable with it.

Yes, and you lose $10 trade credit buying something to make it work since you are forced to give it up. They really did not think it through.

 

[WrenchNinja]

How many times are you going to post this? You acknowledge that it's cheap. You agree with the quoted post. BOTH the consumer and Nintendo can afford to include one.

I'm going on keep repeating it till it gets through all the people who keep calling out the consumer with the cost.

How many times are you going to keep saying it's not a big deal and make false equivalences to other products that actually work out of the box?

 

[alr1ght]

I didn't know people kept the old versions of something except for Nintendo handhelds. You buy a PS3 slim, you are most likely going to sell your PS3 fat. I doubt your buyer would appreciate you not including a power cable with it.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I didn't know people kept the old versions of something except for Nintendo handhelds. You buy a PS3 slim, you are most likely going to sell your PS3 fat. I doubt your buyer would appreciate you not including a power cable with it.

Meh, I hear they are really cheap. He can just buy one, no clue why he would expect to have that included.

 

[Averon]

It's hard to take anybody seriously in these type of threads because so much profanity and hyperbole that gets thrown around.

I mean, if you were going to get a New 3DS chances are you already own a Charging cord for a 3DS or DSi somewhere, even if you somehow miraculously don't they go as low as 10 bux a pop.

"Shut up and buy the 500% marked-up cables that's essential to make your $200 purchase function"

Nah. Corporate apologism isn't my thing.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Sorry, after researching the amazon product pages a standard definition RCA cable is included. Apparently this is okay for people to use on PS3/360 somehow and very few people would want/need to buy an HDMI cable separate.

It's not preferred, but at least the person buying the system has what's required to actually use it.
That's all that anyone asks.

 

[Petrae]

Meh, I hear they are really cheap. He can just buy one, no clue why he would expect to have that included.

He probably has, like, 3-4 of them just sitting around his house, anyway.

 

[JCX]

So we're going to petition Sony to include memory cards in basic Vita SKUs too now right?

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

He probably has, like, 3-4 of them just sitting around his house, anyway.

Especially since it's a slim, after all its just an upgrade console.

So we're going to petition Sony to include memory cards in basic Vita SKUs too now right?

Is this where we do the X did it so it makes it ok to do it crap? I didn't support that and didn't purchase a Vita till it had everything I wanted.

 

[TheSlySoul]

So we're going to petition Sony to include memory cards in basic Vita SKUs too now right?

They do for Vita 2000. Point over head.

 

[tlstls]

I was waiting for the n3ds... not anymore and I will not buy a 3ds either I quit, here in my country I will find only third party chargers and these suck.

 

[Green Card]

This is just an incremental upgrade and they still want to pull this shit.

 

[Averon]

People can harp about the PS3 and 360 not having HDMI all they want, but both of those console had all they need to function out of the box.


That whole argument reeks of desperation.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

Might as well not even ship it. Gotta go to Nintendo headquarters to pick it up!

Why even stop at power adapters, might as well sell it in a plastic wrap and not a shipping box if they wanna cut costs.

"Then he got an idea. An awful idea. The Grinch got a wonderful, *awful* idea!"

They are probably taking notes as we speak.

 

[WonderPup]

What is with Nintendo today?

They're giving us the "option" to buy it without the charger -- when it's the only way it's sold. They're giving us the "option" to buy an XL -- when it's the only way it's sold.

Or wait. Do they mean that the option is to buy it or not buy it at all?

Way to go, Nintendo.

 

[TheSlySoul]

This is just an incremental upgrade and they still want to pull this shit.

Makes me wonder what they are going to try with the next console.
Actually no, I may just laugh at it and continue enjoying my retro collection.

Or wait. Do they mean that the option is to buy it or not buy it at all?

Way to go, Nintendo.

I am pretty sure that is the new policy. Remember the GBA and GC days where Nintendo was bending over backwards to let consumers have many choices with SKUs?
I miss those days.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Makes me wonder what they are going to try with the next console.
Actually no, I may just laugh at it and continue enjoying my retro collection.

I am pretty sure that is the new policy. Remember the GBA and GC days where Nintendo was bending over backwards to let consumers have many choices with SKUs?
I miss those days.

So you had no interest or intent on purchasing this or any 3DS/recent Nintendo product then? Glad to see you spent so much time in the thread posting.

Makes me wonder what they are going to try with the next console.
Actually no, I may just laugh at it and continue enjoying my retro collection.

I am pretty sure that is the new policy. Remember the GBA and GC days where Nintendo was bending over backwards to let consumers have many choices with SKUs?
I miss those days.

I remember the GBA days when the screen was impossible to see and the GBA SP days when you had to buy an adapter to use headphones.. Or when Nintendo was releasing games that required 4 gamecube to GBA cables and 4 GBAs to play multiplayer.

 

[Ettie]

I'm not super upset about this, but people are already ranting on amazon who bought the N3DS from Japan thinking it was a US region unit. Just average Joe/Jane parents buying toys for their kids.

I understand this is common in Europe but it isn't here, those same parents will be ranting in February about this thing not having a charger. I wouldn't choose now to force the middle age moms of the US to learn about how chargers aren't supplied with devices in other countries and Nintendo wants to unify hardware package contents across regions.

I don't know if there will be a huge backlash, but can they really afford to alienate any customers at this point? Those people are going to remember the little inconveniences they've suffered in two years when you want them to buy the new handheld for 229.99. (Without a charger.)

 

[TheSlySoul]

So you had no interest or intent on purchasing this or any 3DS/recent Nintendo product then? Glad to see you spent so much time in the thread posting.

I have a 3DS and Wii U. I enjoy what they offer now. I saw the Virtual Boy and it was terrible. New 3DS in NA looks just as terrible. No thanks.
I am on Miiverse if you want to check.

May import a JP one for the exclusives though. Looks way nicer than the NA options.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I'm not super upset about this, but people are already ranting on amazon who bought the N3DS from Japan thinking it was a US region unit. Just average Joe/Jane parents buying toys for their kids.

I understand this is common in Europe but it isn't here, those same parents will be ranting in February about this thing not having a charger. I wouldn't choose now to force the middle age moms of the US to learn about how chargers aren't supplied with devices in other countries and Nintendo wants to unify hardware package contents across regions.

I don't know if there will be a huge backlash, but can they really afford to alienate any customers at this point? Those people are going to remember the little inconveniences they've suffered in two years when you want them to buy the new handheld for 229.99. (Without a charger.)

I'll always preface this with it being a dumb move but the New 3DS XL isn't selling to those moms. The 2DS at $99 or even $79 during a sale is. The old 3DS XL at $150 or $125 on a sale like it was over christmas too.

The New 3DS XL at $200 is not really aimed at consumers new to the 3DS platform. Those other lower priced options are. And there are still a TON of those available at retail.

 

[Dash Kappei]

"Because **** you, give me money" - Angry Joe.
No Nintendo fans can say any shit about PS Vita memory cards now.

If they truly cared, they would include a micoUSB port to charge stuff.

Lol, official charger can be bought for less than 8€. Exactly the same as Sony's extortionate prices on memory, yep

 

[7DollarHagane]

I have a 3DS and Wii U. I enjoy what they offer now. I saw the Virtual Boy and it was terrible. New 3DS looks just as terrible. No thanks.
I am on Miiverse if you want to check.

That's fine - there really isn't any reason to upgrade outside of this no charger fiasco if you don't care about the new features or Xenoblade portable.

The upgrades are minimal I'll agree but I like the idea of the 3D working a lot better for when the new Sega 3D classics come out enough that I want one. I really like the 3D effect and early reports of it working a lot better on New 3DS have me excited.

If you don't like any of that you are by no means expected to be excited.

But if someone (who probably owns one of these chargers) was excited until today when this minor inconvenience was announced and now is boycotting nintendo that is just childish overreaction.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I'll always preface this with it being a dumb move but the New 3DS XL isn't selling to those moms. The 2DS at $99 or even $79 during a sale is. The old 3DS XL at $150 or $125 on a sale like it was over christmas too.

The New 3DS XL at $200 is not really aimed at consumers new to the 3DS platform. Those other lower priced options are. And there are still a TON of those available at retail.

So you are saying that the new 3DS is aimed at current owners and not new customers? What are those old 3DS customers gonna do with their old console? If I had one I would trade it in, why do I need 2? Guess what I have to trade in with it.

Upgrade or not, no one should support this type of anti-consumer crap.

 

[TheSlySoul]

But if someone (who probably owns one of these chargers) was excited until today when this minor inconvenience was announced and now is boycotting nintendo that is just childish overreaction.

I agree, but it is still in their right to complain to Nintendo hoping they will change their mind ... even if you do not agree. They lost a bunch of good will points IMO.
I have a feeling this is another DSi and we may only get 1 or 2 exclusive games for it. I might pick up an import because I really like the white one and I would enjoy all the JP exclusive stuff I missed out like DQ7 and DQ10.

You learn that I joke around a lot and am not really serious. I am mostly still mad at how Amiibos were handled more than anything else. Oh, and I got a MM new XL pre-ordered. All the news that pretty much Amiibo support is DOA means I will probably just keep it sealed.

 

[kewlmyc]

Well, at the end of the day, I bought one anyway, so I guess I'm part of the problem (I'm a Vita owner with a 32GB card too, so yeah). I'll won't be buying an official charger for $10 though, screw that. I'll get the standard amazon cheap version since they've been around for so long (I have a bunch of Phat DS chargers, but those won't do me any good).

Not including the charger for a rechargable battery powered machine is stupid and greedy and the people who defend it need a reality check. However, those who are saying that the government should get involved might need a even bigger reality check.

I just feel bad for kids come Christmas who's 3DS dies in the middle of a game and mommy and daddy have to wait till the next day to buy their kid a charger become common business practice says the system should come with one.

 

[calc84maniac]

PS TV has a SKU that works right out of the box, I am confused by your answer.

Actually, PS TV won't even start up if you don't have a controller, as was the case for me for a few days since I ordered a standalone PS TV and DS4 separately. So the non-bundled PS TV is arguably a pretty similar situation to the New 3DS XL.

Cable is not a proprietary format. Do PS TVs (bundled or not) not come with a mini or micro USB cable at all?

The DS3 bundle allegedly comes with a mini USB, but I opted for a DS4 since I don't like the DS3. Either way, no micro USB included with either the PS TV or DS4.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I agree, but it is still in their right to complain to Nintendo hoping they will change their mind ... even if you do not agree. They lost a bunch of good will points IMO.
I have a feeling this is another DSi and we may only get 1 or 2 exclusive games for it. I might pick up an import because I really like the white one and I would enjoy all the JP exclusive stuff I missed out like DQ7 and DQ10.

You learn that I joke around a lot and am not really serious. I am mostly still mad at how Amiibos were handled more than anything else.

well at least they admitted that Marth at least would be getting reissued!

Should have focused more on amiibos in this direct - should have acknowledged that there were shortages and stated they would be reissuing rare figures after wave 3, IMO.

 

[Gorillaz]

It is literally less than $10 to buy a 3DS charger, and the new system is the same price as the old one. Not to mention that I am guessing the majority of GAFfers that are getting a New 3DS XL already own a 3DS/DSi. Just buy both and pretend that they came in the same box.

IT's not a money or a "well your just upgrading so it doesn't matter problem". It's the fact that it's a new device not packaging an AC cord in the box. That shit is questionable from a buying standpoint regardless of what territory you are in. I can't think of a time I bought a electronic device and a cord was not with it because "it was packaged in the older model".

 

[exmachina64]

At what point did $199 become low priced for a dedicated gaming handheld?

Wouldn't inflation do that by itself?

Spoiler

Avoiding the cheap Windows tablet debate.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I saw the Vita's proprietary memory card requirement and prices to be a much, much bigger problem IMO.

The cost of those memory cards was insane at launch. This is coming from someone who bought a 32GB at launch for $100.

I just recently bought a 32GB microSD card in anticipation for my new 3ds and it was something like $8 on sale on amazon? Crazy.

What you see when comparing these two issues and the reaction is that people just didn't care about the vita when those insane memory card prices came out.

People just didn't care about the vita much at all, so there wasn't this violent uproar.

People DO care about the 3DS and about Nintendo products, much moreso than the Vita so you get reactions like you see in this thread.

 

[HardRojo]

well at least they admitted that Marth at least would be getting reissued!

Should have focused more on amiibos in this direct - should have acknowledged that there were shortages and stated they would be reissuing rare figures after wave 3, IMO.

I won't get started on the way Amiibos and GC Controller adapters were handled... I think today has been a result of Nintendo's decisions as of late and people just couldn't take it anymore. As I stated before, I'm not going completely mad and declaring Nintendo should be sued but I agree this is worth complaining over and see if somehow they change their minds or at least take this all into account for future releases. I feel that's the point people are trying to make here.

Actually, PS TV won't even start up if you don't have a controller, as was the case for me for a few days since I ordered a standalone PS TV and DS4 separately. So the non-bundled PS TV is arguably a pretty similar situation to the New 3DS XL.



The DS3 bundle allegedly comes with a mini USB, but I opted for a DS4 since I don't like the DS3. Either way, no micro USB included with either the PS TV or DS4.

No reason not to include at least a mini USB cable with the standalone PS TV. An oversight from Sony for sure since it's not like a DS4 or headset which act as accesories for the main unit that comes with the necessary cable (PS3 or PS4 in this case).

 

[TheSlySoul]

Should have focused more on amiibos in this direct - should have acknowledged that there were shortages and stated they would be reissuing rare figures after wave 3, IMO.

Funny story, I had a pre-ordered Captain Falcon that got lost during shipment. They could not replace my order since only 1 came in. I got my money back, but it goes to show pre-ordering Nintendo stuff does not mean you will get it.

I was so mad that day. I ordered one from Amazon Canada and it is coming sometime in Feb. I really think they should apologize for letting scalpers get this out of hand.