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[7DollarHagane]

This really is hilarious. If it makes you all feel better, pretend the rrp of the console is $208 with charger included. If that's too much for what you're getting, don't buy it.

Yup.

The retail price of the New 3DS XL for buyers of a new 3DS is $210. If you already own a 3DS charger its $200.

Don't like it, don't buy it. Or buy one of the other 3 models on the market now that are cheaper and have a charger.

Also i guess I wouldn't mind them not including a battery if there were a range of official battery capacities available. If the base unit was $180 and you could buy batteries starting at $20-$50 for higher capacity that would be fine.

 

[mgs2master2]

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best buy has yall covered.

personally i bought a cheap ass 2nd hand one for a 7 bucks and gonna trade that one in with my Unit. Gonna keep the official charger for the new 3dsxl

 

[Petrae]

Maybe they should not ship batteries with the 3DS. You can find it for $9 on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004TPVHQ8/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Seriously guys, you are being so entitled.

This is a brilliant idea. Bring back the "batteries not included" tag and have consumers buy the battery in addition to the device and the charger. They obviously wouldn't mind spending a little more money. What's a few bucks?

 

[Alex]

After I get rid of my 3DS XL for the new one, I'm going to have to buy a cheapie adapter off of Amazon or something. Despite certain beliefs I don't think that many people people just hang on to a bunch of old DS's and their accessories when getting new ones. It isn't a huge deal but it's absolutely miserly, something i've never personally seen (and I buy a **lot** of electronics) and somewhat comedic.

You are talking to people that probably defended N64 carts, GC discs, and the Wii only being in SD.
I wouldn't bother with it.


$200 for something that plays 240p in 3D. Wait a minute, you can get $100 tablets that play 720p games.
Actually I bet a Dell Venue 7 could run Xenoblade smoother than the new 3DS.

It'd be curious to see a price breakdown for components, as 3DS XL's are seemingly really expensive for what you get. Ultimately, we're all buying it for the software as the hardware is pretty frightful but I hope next time they hit a more comfortable spot out of the gate. 3DS was really slow and really ugly from day one and at a time when mobile tech was starting to move pretty quickly. By the time we're onto another DS/Nintendo handheld it should be really cheap to get a reasonable screen and smooth experience going but I have this lingering doubt it'll wind up something cut rate and awkward like 400p or the such.

 

[Storm360]

The PS3 didn't come with an HDMI cable, I just picked one up for cheap at the time, I was okay with that. I probably wouldn't give a shit about a figure 8 cable to tell you the truth. But each to their own.

I purchased a new 3DS here in Japan and also bought a charger at the same time, so i guess that shows I don't care about this. Maybe I should care, but I can't...

The PS3 didn't come with a HDMI cable, but it came with a composite cable.

as it stands, you can't use a New 3DS out the box without tracking down another cable, even if it was just a USB charger in the box it would be better than nothing, It's about it being a complete usable system, and without the charger being included, it's not complete nor usable out the box.

I feel sorry for the clueless parents buying the New 3DS.

 

[Lakerchick4life]

What I really want is that really sweet looking charging cradle that I have seen online that is sold in Japan..will they sell that here in the US for the 3DS XL?

 

[Chubzdoomer]

As soon as I heard Reggie say that an AC adapter wouldn't be included, my immediate reaction was, "Are you fucking kidding me?"

They pour all this time and money into making the system better in practically every way, yet they can't bundle an AC adapter with it?

 

[tsumineko]

The PS3 didn't come with a HDMI cable, but it came with a composite cable.

as it stands, you can't use a New 3DS out the box without tracking down another cable, even if it was just a USB charger in the box it would be better than nothing, It's about it being a complete usable system, and without the charger being included, it's not complete nor usable out the box.

I feel sorry for the clueless parents buying the New 3DS.

Store attendants here in Japan ask you if you want a charger when you purchase the new 3DS. When you buy the required components it is a complete usable system.

I really don't get the uproar here.

What about systems that don't include a game in the box? Are they complete usable systems in your eyes? Just curious.

 

[Lonely1]

They should have included a USB adapter at the least. :S

 

[JNA]

Maybe they should not ship batteries with the 3DS. You can find it for $9 on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004TPVHQ8/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Seriously guys, you are being so entitled.

And while they are at it, fuck the box! Just place the system in plastic wrapping. And you know what? Take out the pen too! Who uses that thing anyway!? I mean, right?! Nintendo can easily save so much monies with that you know?

And Nintendo needs our money people! Not us common people, but the people in suits in a big multi billion dollar corporation really need the money! Otherwise, Microsoft wins! And Microsoft...are a bunch of meanies! And Sony just makes movie games so screw them too!

Give poor Nintendo our money and think of the children!

 

[Vena]

This is a brilliant idea. Bring back the "batteries not included" tag and have consumers buy the battery in addition to the device and the charger. They obviously wouldn't mind spending a little more money. What's a few bucks?

You say this... but a lot of consumer electronics don't come with batteries when they need them.

I bought a quad-copter not long ago to take apart, the controller didn't ship with the eight batteries it needed to run. Did they ship me an incomplete unit?

 

[Pathfinder]

Store attendants here in Japan ask you if you want a charger when you purchase the new 3DS. When you buy the required components it is a complete usable system.

I really don't get the uproar here.

American gamers are conditioned to expect everything to be in one package, because that's the way it's always been.

 

[Storm360]

Store attendants here in Japan ask you if you want a charger when you purchase the new 3DS. When you buy the required components it is a complete usable system.

I really don't get the uproar here.

On the other hand, when I bought my 3DS XL it wasn't mentioned at all the charger wasn't included here, I literally had no idea until I got home and opened it and I probably wouldn't have bought it otherwise.

If it's truly a cost cutting method, why not ditch the micro-sd card first? everyone already owns a micro-sd card, where does it stop, will I soon have to buy a stylus with my New 3DS?

EDIT: On including a game or something in the box, there has always been something to do with a new system in my experience, my PS1 and PS2 came with demo discs, my original DS came with the metroid demo, my 3DS had the AR games etc pre loaded onto it, even on my PS4, I could download some demos/free games launch day and play something, of course though, the system will boot without software, it won't boot without a charger.

 

[Mik317]

It's not about the money, it's about having a complete system in that box.


Would you be pissed if you bought a PS4 and it didn't come with a power cable? It's just a figure 8 cable so you already have a bunch!

It would suck and I'd be pissed but then I'd get over it and buy one with my system.

I don't think anyone (most) people are saying this isn't a bad thing or that it shouldn't happen...I think we all (most) think it is bullshit.

However, it isn't worth getting this pissed over or boycotting companies and shit. That is an overreaction.

It sucks and should't be a thing that we are even discussing YES. I agree 100%. Calling for peoples heads or having THIS be the reason you pass on a system you allegedly wanted (those with beef about the lack of the smaller sku have actual beef IMO) is silly.

If I knew PS4s didn't come with power cables and I didn;t have a PS3 (funny that you mention it since...yes my PS4 and PS3 share cords lol), i'd be like "wtf Sony, that is fucking stupid"...and buy it to play the system I obviously felt like shelling out 400 bucks for (200 in this case). It is unfortunate but it isn't anything to rage over.

 

[meanspartan]

The price is honestly the biggest story out of today's events and it's being lost in adapter-gate. The 3DS is 4 years old at this point, and they're still asking $200 for the new revision. Never mind a refurb Wii U, you could have bought a fucking Xbone over the Holidays for $200 effective if you otherwise wanted to buy one of the bundled games. As outrageous as the cost is, they're doing so knowing full well the platform only has 1-2 more years of notable support (if that). Topping it off with the official excuse of a $2 adapter bleeding them dry in BoM and they've blown way past insulting to lost their fucking minds territory.

Agreed.

Tech is sped up 3ds hardware which wasnt cutting edge in 2011. Which is fine, in line with their "withered tech" strategy since Game Boy. But Game Boys got very cheap, outside of 2ds, 3ds has stayed pricy.

 

[Trike]

Lol where and how did we get to the point where a power cord/adapter boxed with a electronic is now entitlement friend?

Maybe because of the textbook example of entitlement you are exhibiting despite not actually being entitled to anything? This kind of thing happens with all sorts of products, but now that it is happening to yours in your region you suddenly care. Did you make a hubbub when it happened to those overseas for years? Or how about specifically when the other released versions of the device did not come with it? No? You thought it would automatically come with it, despite no other region getting it. OK.

If you don't want the New NIntendo 3DS XL, might I suggest getting the old one? It does come with the only thing that matters, apparently. Same price too, how convenient!

 

[tsumineko]

American gamers are conditioned to expect everything to be in one package, because that's the way it's always been.

What about when a game isn't included in the box?

 

[Aiustis]

I have a few adapters so I'm cool with saving the money.

 

[Pathfinder]

What about when a game isn't included in the box?

We've gotten used to that by now.

 

[TheSlySoul]

American gamers are conditioned to expect everything to be in one package, because that's the way it's always been.

It is mostly the fact you are paying 200 for it. If they told me "oh, your phone cannot run without a memory card. You want to buy one for 20 bucks?" I would probably say "no thanks" and find a cheaper option. I just do not see the new 3DS selling that well. The average customer is not going to care that much about an analog stick to pay $210 for a handheld. I mean if it was 1996 I would be ok with buying an external memory card. Face plates, now that I can see pushing some units.'
Actually I think the 3D is the least liked thing about the 3DS.

 

[meanspartan]

Store attendants here in Japan ask you if you want a charger when you purchase the new 3DS. When you buy the required components it is a complete usable system.

This is gonna come off mean but, just because you guys have grown accustomed to a shitty practice it doesnt mean we want it to become the new normal here.

Its a stealth price increase, period. Had they made the New XL $150, Id mind less. But its still $200.

 

[Lorcain]

The 3DS XL I bought last year from Target was $50 cheaper, included an AC adapter, and had a game bundled. I'm trying to understand how a revised 3DS XL at $200 without an adapter is pro consumer based on their PR statement. They're not saving me any money. The base price for an OG 3DS XL with an adapter is $200 where I live (without any deals running).

 

[MokocchiBro]

They've been that like here is Japan so not surprised. It's dumb but my NA adapter works just fine with it. You can usually find a few for cheap at a second hand store in the cords bin if you don't want to pay full price for one.

 

[Petrae]

You say this... but a lot of consumer electronics don't come with batteries when they need them.

I bought a quad-copter not long ago to take apart, the controller didn't ship with the eight batteries it needed to run. Did they ship me an incomplete unit?

If those items always required the extra purchase of batteries, then the expectation is set that power supply isn't included.

Nintendo handhelds haven't required purchasing power supply in addition to the hardware since the GBA here in the US. The expectation had been set that paying for a device gets you a charger, so no additional purchase is required. It was considered complete.

The company is now altering 12 years of history, just to save a couple of dollars per unit. Something that consumers used to get as part of their purchase is gone. That-- at least to some-- gives the sense of an incomplete package.

 

[njean777]

The 3DS XL I bought last year from Target was $50 cheaper, included an AC adapter, and had a game bundled. I'm trying to understand how a revised 3DS XL at $200 without an adapter is pro consumer based on their PR statement. They're not saving me any money. The base price for an OG 3DS XL with an adapter is $200 where I live.

Exactly, it isn't pro-consumer it is the exact opposite.

 

[meanspartan]

What about when a game isn't included in the box?

That is more a bonus, not expected every time. Bundles are seen as "deals", not the base package.

But yes, its insane to me that a power cable isnt included. If Japan and whoever else allowed that shit to be normalized, that is their problem.

 

[tsumineko]

That is more a bonus, not expected every time. But yes, its insane to me that a power cable isnt included. If Japan and whoever else allowed that shit to be normalized, that is their problem.

But it's a requirement of a complete working system, something Americans apparently expect in one box. Without a game the system is useless.

 

[Natureboy99]

Lock if old. Via IGN.According to Nintendo, it was a measure designed to save costs for consumers who may already own a 3DS or DSi system. According to Nintendo, "New Nintendo 3DS XL uses the same AC adapter as any Nintendo 3DS or Nintendo DSi system. Rather than raise cost of New Nintendo 3DS XL by charging consumers for a component they may already own, we are giving them the option to only buy if they need an AC adapter." http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/01/14/new-3dsxl-doesnt-include-charger-here-are-some-options

This comes across condescending and sleezy. True, many gamers who are buying N3DS already have 3DS. But what percent are not trading in/selling/giving away their old unit to make way for the new one? 0%? Gamestop is offering $100 for many 3DS units.

Nintendo isn't "saving costs for consumers". They are increasing costs to consumers and increasing profits for themselves.

Especially for the special editions, they should have included the game digitally and AC adapter and charged $229. But no, they got greedy.

 

[Mik317]

It is mostly the fact you are paying 200 for it. If they told me "oh, your phone cannot run without a memory card. You want to buy one for 20 bucks?" I would probably say "no thanks" and find a cheaper option. I just do not see the new 3DS selling that well. The average customer is not going to care that much about an analog stick to pay $210 for a handheld. I mean if it was 1996 I would be ok with buying an external memory card.

Its a stop gap like the DSi was...

It is basically for the hardcore Nintendo fans and people who needs the best of the best. It really isn't going to attract many (key word: many) that weren't on board yet or IMO it shouldn't (is Amibo, a second stick that most games probably won't use, extra processing that most games won't use, and better 3d really what people on the fence were waiting for?). So no shit it probably isn't going to light the world on fire or move tons of new units. It seems to have always been a "here is something for the hardcore fans to upgrade to" type device IMO (doesn't excuse their decisions today btw..just sayin)..

then again isn't the MM Console already sold out?....

 

[TheSlySoul]

That is more a bonus, not expected every time. But yes, its insane to me that a power cable isnt included. If Japan and whoever else allowed that shit to be normalized, that is their problem.

I am surprised it is normal in Japan.
Cell phones really do not have charge cables? In NA, they give you a manual, wall charger, and free cable. Sometimes headphones.''

But it's a requirement of a complete working system, something Americans apparently expect in one box. Without a game the system is useless.

But you can turn it on and browse menus. You can make a game out of it.
Also it is a bit of a stretch since now you can download games on all handhelds/consoles.

 

[Storm360]

It would suck and I'd be pissed but then I'd get over it and buy one with my system.

I don't think anyone (most) people are saying this isn't a bad thing or that it shouldn't happen...I think we all (most) think it is bullshit.

However, it isn't worth getting this pissed over or boycotting companies and shit. That is an overreaction.

It sucks and should't be a thing that we are even discussing YES. I agree 100%. Calling for peoples heads or having THIS be the reason you pass on a system you allegedly wanted (those with beef about the lack of the smaller sku have actual beef IMO) is silly.

If I knew PS4s didn't come with power cables and I didn;t have a PS3 (funny that you mention it since...yes my PS4 and PS3 share cords lol), i'd be like "wtf Sony, that is fucking stupid"...and buy it to play the system I obviously felt like shelling out 400 bucks for (200 in this case). It is unfortunate but it isn't anything to rage over.

See, for me, i'd see the PS4 was missing a cable and consider it a incomplete system and it would put me off purchasing. I don't like the idea of buying a system then being forced to purchase every other component separate before my $400 video game box will turn on.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not American, I still expect everything I purchase to be functional out the box, otherwise it's faulty.

 

[Jazzy Network]

This is gonna come off mean but, just because you guys have grown accustomed to a shitty practice it doesnt mean we want it to become the new normal here.

Its a stealth price increase, period. Had they made the New XL $150, Id mind less. But its still $200.

No it's not mean. Just because someone else gets punched in the face and doesn't say anything about it, doesn't me when I get punched in the face I should just let it be as well.

 

[meanspartan]

But it's a requirement of a complete working system, something Americans apparently expect in one box. Without a game the system is useless.

No, my system works fine without a game. It diesnt turn on without power.

 

[kpaadet]

If that was the true reasoning why are they not doing the same with the Wii U? Ohh yeah because it sells like crap and they can't afford to make it look even less desirable.

 

[tsumineko]

No, my system works fine without a game. It diesnt turn on without power.

Your game system works fine without a game? What do you use it for?

 

[meanspartan]

No it's not mean. Just because someone else gets punched in the face and doesn't say anything about it, doesn't me when I get punched in the face I should just let it be as well.

Ya, you're right lol.

This is why we always gotta raise hell at shitty practices, because they quickly become normal. (See: day 1 dlc, broken games, etc)

 

[hitmon]

But it's a requirement of a complete working system, something Americans apparently expect in one box. Without a game the system is useless.

You can power the system on without a game. You may not after a couple of hours without the adapter.

Don't all 3DS consoles come with the streetpass games?

 

[TheSlySoul]

Ya, you're right lol.

This is why we always gotta raise hell at shitty practices, because they quickly become normal. (See: day 1 dlc, broken games, etc)

I blame current DLC practices on people not making enough fuss over it.
People said ok to F2P and now Nintendo has a F2P game with IAPs.
*shudders*

 

[meanspartan]

Your game system works fine without a game? What do you use it for?

Netflix.

You cant even watch Friends reeuns with your powerless brick.

 

[Nickle]

Just wait until consumers get home and figure out that their New3DS comes without any video games. That's how Nintendo will lose valuable customers.

 

[Laconic]

Don't like it, don't buy it.

Done!

 

[tsumineko]

Netflix.

You cant even watch Friends reeuns with your powerless brick.

Sure, you buy a new game system to watch Netflix. This is really getting ridiculous.

 

[Mik317]

See, for me, i'd see the PS4 was missing a cable and consider it a incomplete system and it would put me off purchasing. I don't like the idea of buying a system then being forced to purchase every other component separate before my $400 video game box will turn on.

EDIT: For the record, I'm not American, I still expect everything I purchase to be functional out the box, otherwise it's faulty.

and again...if that was enough to put you of from buying something you apparently wanted..I question the validity of that want.

I get that it is a principles thing for some...but ehhh .

All I can say is wait for a price drop, or a friend to have a spare cable or something.

I just can't wrap my head around an unfortunate poor ass decision that will now cost you 5- 10 bucks is the tipping point to not buying something you were willing to drop 200 on. The lack of the small SKU, I get. The lack of colors is a little weird but hey if you were looking forward to the white or blue ones...fne...don't settle. But 10 dollars tho? I don't get it.

I will relent that maybe this is just a difference of personal stuff...but 10 dollars isn't that big of deal and if it was, I would be focusing on that rather than worrying about a videogame console.

 

[Pathfinder]

Just wait until consumers get home and figure out that their New3DS comes without any video games. That's how Nintendo will lose valuable customers.

That's a scenario I don't see as being all that common. The store where you buy the N3DS will tell you about the AC adapter. They don't want the customer coming back with a return. That's bad for them.

EDIT: Hah, I just realized I misread your post.

 

[Vena]

If those items always required the extra purchase of batteries, then the expectation is set that power supply isn't included.

???

Consumer electronics are never consistent. It depends on the maker, the item being sold, and so on. Whenever you buy electronics, you should check the box if it includes batteries or not if it needs them.

Monitors regularly come with unusable VGA cables for most modern computers. Have to check that every time you buy something like that. DSLR cameras regularly come without a memory stick/card, making the camera useless until you acquire one. I can go into my lab right now, look at various consumer electronics we buy (because mark-ups from specialized retailers are stupid), and many of them come in a way that will not work out of the box without further purchases.

Heck, we recently purchased a Canon DSLR and the thing won't do anything unless you give it an SD card. This is a thousand dollar purchase... and it doesn't work without an additional purchase.

Nintendo handhelds haven't required purchasing power supply in addition to the hardware since the GBA here in the US. The expectation had been set that paying for a device gets you a charger, so no additional purchase is required. It was considered complete.

The company is now altering 12 years of history, just to save a couple of dollars per unit. Something that consumers used to get as part of their purchase is gone. That-- at least to some-- gives the sense of an incomplete package.

Its shitty but you seem to have a misconception of how widespread this sort of thing is... but this is a revision and last time around they just arbitrarily changed the adapter. Its better but its also stupid. But when it comes to actual fresh hardware, they're not going to ship you a unit without a charger.

Also I have to wonder how much it actually saves them overall because I think its more than a couple of dollars if we calculate the price of the adapter + the decreased cost per volume for shipping. The N3DS box is much, much smaller than the old 3DS box. There's also shelf-space costs which are also further cut down by the smaller footprint.

They could have included a USB cable, though, for space reasons.

 

[meanspartan]

I blame current DLC practices on people not making enough fuss over it.
People said ok to F2P and now Nintendo has a F2P game with IAPs.
*shudders*

Yup.

People were "outraged" but bought games anyway. So it became normal.

Just like when a game is broken and Im mad, people would be like "LOLZ you expect it to work day 1!?"

Us buying their shit is the problem.

I am the one who started the "new 3ds vs new xl" thread two nights ago. Was trying to decide which one to upgrade to.

I think Ill stay with my regular XL a while longer...

 

[tmespe]

But it's a requirement of a complete working system, something Americans apparently expect in one box. Without a game the system is useless.

No it is not. You can turn it on and use it for as long as you want. You might not have games to play, but it's a functional system out of the box.

 

[Jazzy Network]

Sure, you buy a new game system to watch Netflix. This is really getting ridiculous.

Games are about choice. I can buy Mario, or buy Zelda. Donkey kong or Pokemon. With chargers I can get....oh wait I just need a regular fucking charger.

Not everyone plays the same game, but everyone needs the same charger.

 

[Storm360]

Just wait until consumers get home and figure out that their New3DS comes without any video games. That's how Nintendo will lose valuable customers.

Good job you can download some demos or the F2P Steel Diver game out the box right?

and again...if that was enough to put you of from buying something you apparently wanted..I question the validity of that want.

I get that it is a principles thing for some...but ehhh .

All I can say is wait for a price drop, or a friend to have a spare cable or something.

I just can't wrap my head around an unfortunate poor ass decision that will now cost you 5- 10 bucks is the tipping point to not buying something you were willing to drop 200 on. The lack of the small SKU, I get. The lack of colors is a little weird but hey if you were looking forward to the white or blue ones...fne...don't settle. But 10 dollars tho? I don't get it.

I will relent that maybe this is just a difference of personal stuff...but 10 dollars isn't that big of deal and if it was, I would be focusing on that rather than worrying about a videogame console.

Like I said, it's really not the cost that bothers me, I'd have the same feeling if it was $10 or $100, it's the thought of buying something incomplete that bugs me, it's probably related to OCD, I can't buy cart only games too, I have to get them CIB.

 

[SeanR1221]

Just wait until consumers get home and figure out that their New3DS comes without any video games. That's how Nintendo will lose valuable customers.

You can use the 3ds without games.

You literally can't use it once the battery dies and it has to be recharged.

The apologists are out of control.