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[Loki]

AHAHAHAAHA!!!! Another abysmal shooting night for Kobe (but worlds better than his usual % this season), but he gets his ass bailed out by the refs yet again, and manages to get to the line 14 times. Folks, he's not that aggressive; these refs need to stop padding his average and make him earn it-- at least a little.


Oh yeah, did I mention the 4 assist: 7 TO ratio or the 6 personal fouls? Well now I did.


Oh yes, the hate is strong, my friends...the hate is strong.

 

[Cloudy]

A few of those were technicals and and1's. Put down the Haterade :lol

 

[bionic77]

AHAHAHAAHA!!!! Another abysmal shooting night for Kobe (but worlds better than his usual % this season), but he gets his ass bailed out by the refs yet again, and manages to get to the line 14 times. Folks, he's not that aggressive; these refs need to stop padding his average and make him earn it-- at least a little.


Oh yeah, did I mention the 4 assist: 7 TO ratio or the 6 personal fouls? Well now I did.


Oh yes, the hate is strong, my friends...the hate is strong.

He will finish the season at 45-48%.

Too many turnovers for Kobe. Too bad he fouled out, but speaking of being bailed out by the refs, didn't your God Jordan go like 500 years without fouling out? Hmm, sounds suspicious to me.....

Your hate filled rant about FTs doesn't deserve a serious response.

 

[Matrix]

WHOOOO ROCKETS!

Grizz cant win with Tmac getting hurt and Yao fouling out...poor Bish

 

[Loki]

A few of those were technicals and and1's. Put down the Haterade :lol

Still, it's an abhorrent statline.


I mean, come on-- 15 FT's per game? That's absurd, and I don't care how much more closely they're calling it this year than last. He's simply not that aggressive. In the 3 LA games I've seen, he shot 53 FT's when I felt he should have shot around 36 max. You guys make like he's attacking the basket or getting held on every play. I will say right now that if Kobe is averaging 14+ FT's per game in another month, I will personally bomb the NBA league offices. Yes NBA refs, if you keep casually sending Kobe to the line every time somebody so much as breathes on him, the let the terrorists win.

 

[bionic77]

WHOOOO ROCKETS!

Grizz cant win with Tmac getting hurt and Yao fouling out...poor Bish

Is it a coincidence that the Rockets won without T-Mac? Seems like everyone wins as soon as he leaves......

 

[Matrix]

Is it a coincidence that the Rockets won without T-Mac? Seems like everyone wins as soon as he leaves......

Thats cold and sorta true

 

[Loki]

He will finish the season at 45-48%.

You're nuts, especially considering that he's never even cracked 46% for a season, and that was when the defense wasn't entirely keyed on him the way it is now. I'll wager 43-46% max (and that's being generous).


As for fouling out, Jordan fouled out 2 or 3 times during his career; how many times has Kobe fouled out? This is the first time I can recall. Also, all superstars get "protected" by the refs so they can remain in the game-- what I take issue with is the stat-padding that the refs are doing for him by giving him 15+ FT's per game. I've watched him play this season-- at 15 FT's per game, he better be Jordan and Iverson combined in terms of aggressiveness and getting into the lane. He's been far from it, and yet the FT's continue to pour in...

 

[bionic77]

You're nuts, especially considering that he's never even cracked 46% for a season, and that was when the defense wasn't entirely keyed on him the way it is now. I'll wager 43-46% max (and that's being generous).


As for fouling out, Jordan fouled out 2 or 3 times during his career; how many times has Kobe fouled out? This is the first time I can recall. Also, all superstars get "protected" by the refs so they can remain in the game-- what I take issue with is the stat-padding that the refs are doing for him by giving him 15+ FT's per game. I've watched him play this season-- at 15 FT's per game, he better be Jordan and Iverson combined in terms of aggressiveness and getting into the lane. He's been far from it, and yet the FT's continue to pour in...

I would wager Kobe has fouled out 5-6 times in the last 3 season, but not everyone is protected from the refs like Jordan.

Oh yeah, I was looking over the tapes and Kobe was clearly fouled on every single possesion of every game this season, not just the times he went to the free throw line. Also, Bruce Bowen tried to sexually assault Kobe at least 3 times in the 2nd half of the Spurs game. You of all people should know that you can't argue with tapes. If anything Kobe needs to go to the FT line MORE, that is the only reasonable explanation for his lower than average FG%.

 

[Cloudy]

especially considering that he's never even cracked 46% for a season,

Umm...98(.465), 99(.468), 00(.464) and 01(.469)

 

[etiolate]

Kobe fouled out? This is the first time I can recall. Also, all superstars get "protected" by the refs so they can remain in the game-- what I take issue with is the stat-padding that the refs are doing for him by giving him 15+ FT's per game.

Yeah, because the refs never did that for Jordan.


OH WAIT

 

[Poody]

typical kobe hater

 

[Matrix]

Look at the shit my main man Ming has to deal with...yet he fouls out on phantom calls half the time.

 

[bionic77]

Umm...98(.465), 99(.468), 00(.464) and 01(.469)

Damn you Konex. Now that you owned Loki with those stats he is going to write some 5000 word essay based entirely on his tapes of Space Jam.

 

[Loki]

Konex: I was speaking of whole % points. I don't "round up". That is to say, Kobe has never shot even as good as 47% for a season, to suggest that he's somehow going to magically shoot 48% this year, when defenses are focused on him, is insane.


Bionic, I don't recall seeing Kobe foul out a single time in the past 3 seasons. If there's a place that gives that stat, let me know. I was just being honest about my recollections. Kobe is a much bigger hacker than Jordan ever was, however, though I stand by my statement that all stars-- from Jordan to Bird to Magic to Kobe-- get protected by the refs. Kobe must've been fouling like a mofo to foul out. Typical hooligan behavior from Kobe.


Etiolate, MJ's max FT's per game was around 12, I believe, and even that was only for one or two seasons. In his prime ('88-93), he averaged between 9-11 per game. Not 15. 15 is just an absurd number, but I'm gonna chalk it up to the earliness of the season. Like I said, if he's still averaging 15 FT's in a month, then something is seriously wrong, rule changes or no rule changes. That's serious stat-padding. Also, Jordan (and even guys like Iverson and Grant Hill when he was healthy) was visibly more aggressive than Kobe is offensively, and was better at drawing contact and getting to the rim, or making his man commit and getting the foul. Anybody with two working eyes can see that Jordan was much more aggressive than Kobe is (to take nothing away from his talent/skill-- this is just a general manner of play, a disposition if you will ), and that if Kobe averages 15 FT's for the season, Jordan should've averaged 25. Period.


All I'm asking is for some consistency from the same people who always used to say that the refs carried Jordan's jock all those years. Yes, I'm looking at you etiolate/cloudy/bionic. How can you guys say Jordan got helped by the refs but 15+ FT's per game despite not being visibly aggressive is not also "being helped"? Hypocrisy fellas...look it up. In fact, the big reason I jumped on the whole "Kobe shooting too many FT's" thing is precisely because of all the criticism of Jordan that I've heard in the past from the likes of you guys-- I even explicitly stated as much somewhere a few pages back. And I'll keep sounding the bell for consistency from Kobe-fellators until they admit that their guy is getting even more "help" than my guy ever did. Let's join together to put an end to 15 FT's per game-- really, it's not proper.

 

[Matrix]

MJ's retired...lets all move on with our lives...he has.


*runs away*

 

[Cloudy]

Konex: I was speaking of whole % points. I don't "round up". That is to say, Kobe has never shot even as good as 47% for a season, to suggest that he's somehow going to magically shoot 48% this year, when defenses are focused on him, is insane.

But stats aren't rounded up

Here is what you posted earlier:

especially considering that he's never even cracked 46% for a season,

He's shot ABOVE 46% four years in his career. Don't switch it up on us now


PS: If you've been watching the games, you'll see that Kobe is pump-faking the hell out of everyone and they all keep biting. That is how he's getting to the line in addition to taking it to the hole. Also, he is the guy who shoots techs for the team....

 

[Cubsfan23]

Aw man now I remember why I read this thread last year

 

[Loki]

Matrix, I know-- I'm just saying.


MJ's max FT's per game was 11.85 in 1987 (the year he averaged 37.1 ppg, and he was about, oh, 5 times as aggressive that season as Kobe is). The following year it was 10.49. Besides those two seasons, he never even cracked 10 per game. Not 15 (as Kobe is getting), but 10. Further, based on his FT% that season, his 11.85 FT's accounted for just over 27% of his total offense. Kobe's FT's, based on his FT% this season and the absurd amount of FT's he's shooting, account for nearly 46% of his offensive output. That's what I'm complaining about.


Yeah, Kobe's good enough and aggressive enough to average 8-11 FT's, just like Jordan, especially with the new "rules". However, when a guy is clearly averaging 5-6 more FT's than he deserves based on his play and nearly half his entire offense is coming from the stripe, some knob-schlobbing is going on-- that's all I'm saying. It's early though, so we'll see if that # comes down.


I'm just saying that if you're going to consider 8-10 FT's per game (and a one year max of 11.85 per game) "the refs kissing MJ's ass", then you sure as hell have to call 15 per game "the refs kissing his ass while giving him a reach-around"-- particularly since his play does not merit 15 FT's. 8-11, yes. Not 15. I stand by that.


EDIT: Konex, I know stats aren't rounded up, which is what I said. What I meant was that I was referring to Kobe's "2 significant figures" FG%. Meaning, he's never done better than 46% excluding rounding up. My main point was that there's no way he's gonna shoot nearly 15% better than he did last year now that the entire defense is keyed on him. He may not shoot 42% like I think he will D), but he won't shoot 48% either. If he does, I'll be first in line to kiss his ass.


All I'm asking for is consistency from the vocal MJ detractors/Kobe whores who were constantly carping about how the refs always bailed him out. Kobe averages more than 10-11 FT's per game this season and you can kiss that angle goodbye.

 

[firex]

I just want to know if there's been any update to that Carlos Loozer site, because that was the funniest stuff of the offseason.

 

[Miguel]

Got my TMac Bobblehead! Great game. He's going next to my Clemens beanie bear, Cousin David bobbleheads, and Biggio Babushka dolls.

 

[Cloudy]

Loki, when you say someone hasn't "cracked" something, it means to me that they haven't reached that point. I see what you're saying now but it smells like post-ownage damage control

 

[Loki]

Loki, when you say someone hasn't "cracked" something, it means to me that they haven't reached that point. I see what you're saying now but it smells like post-ownage damage control

Hmm, perhaps. But I'm very good at that (post-ownage clean-up).


I did know that he shot .465% at least one year (2002 maybe?) when I made that statement; I think I just used the word "cracked" incorrectly. Or, seeing as how I'm not one to use words "incorrectly", maybe I was just being argumentative. My other points still stand, however.


Consistency Konex, consistency.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

Webb with the trip dub.
Such a beautiful sight.

Cue supid Diamond commercial
I love this man, I love him I love him.

 

[etiolate]

Etiolate, MJ's max FT's per game was around 12, I believe, and even that was only for one or two seasons. In his prime ('88-93), he averaged between 9-11 per game. Not 15. 15 is just an absurd number, but I'm gonna chalk it up to the earliness of the season. Like I said, if he's still averaging 15 FT's in a month, then something is seriously wrong, rule changes or no rule changes. That's serious stat-padding.

Well, just like with Jordan, players will learn they are not allowed to play defense on Kobe and the FT's per game will drop.

I'm looking at you etiolate/cloudy/bionic

Woah, woah, woah!! Don't group me with the Kobe lovers! Fuck man, screw his pansy arrogant ass, too. It's all finacially driven stat padding to me!

PS: Arco = VINCE IS DOOMED!

 

[Matrix]

" A portly male fan who began removing his clothes while on camera was escorted out of the arena during a timeout in the third quarter. Ushers arrived just as the man began taking off his pants."

WTF has happened to Rocket fans...Miguel did you not see this?...or was it YOU!

 

[Miguel]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

They were doing one of those "get up and dance" things in the video screen.

The guy got up and started dancing...obviously drunk. First he was jumping up and down flailing his arms. Then he removed his jersey and started waving it around.

Then he started taking off his belt...that's when the Usher's started gathering at the bottom of the steps. Meanwhile...the camera man is still fixed right on the guy...:lol And the guy controlling the video board obviously isn't going to switch the cameras either. :lol

Finally, the belt is off...and the ushers start moving up slowly. Then he reaches for the button on the jeans and that's when they rushed up the stairs and took him away. :lol

It was pretty goddamned funny. :lol

 

[Poody]

I would wager Kobe has fouled out 5-6 times in the last 3 season, but not everyone is protected from the refs like Jordan.

Kobe fouled out his 1st time tonight in 3 seasons.

 

[Matrix]

:lol :lol

 

[Meier]

The Magic are FOR REAL, baby! Last year teams scored 100 on us and shot 50% all the damn time.. held Dallas to 29%! 29!

We're gonna be a force to be reckoned with.

 

[bionic77]

Kobe fouled out his 1st time tonight in 3 seasons.

Where did you get that stat from? Did they say it during the game?

 

[Matrix]

The Magic are FOR REAL, baby!

"HAHA you havent see me roll the ball off my foot out of bounds 15 times in one game ...yet...hahaha"

 

[Poody]

Where did you get that stat from? Did they say it during the game?

yeah Massengale said it.

 

[Matrix]

"Damn Tracy...you're hung like a horse...I can help you with that"

 

[Ninja Scooter]

damn, Loki's getting worked on this page. That means he's in a weakened state, quick THROW OUT THE TRAP!

 

[Poody]

I found this clip for all you jordan jockers.

http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=460EF76FDC19516032C791749E930713

 

[Incognito]

Sonics with another blowout win. Life is normal.

 

[Shinobi]

Magloire exposed as the fraud of an all-star he is. I still can't believe the all-star selection with the numbers he had last year in the crappy crappy EC. He's not a bad player at all, but not even a star player as far as I'm concerned.

Eh, I don't think that's fair...if anything I think Baron Davis is the most overrated player on that squad. Magloire barely gets any touches save for cleaning the glass, and he still got 18 and 11 tonight. Plus he was easily the best player for the eastern squad in the all star game last year.

Grant Hill playing and T-Mac gets hurt?

"Heh, that's a funny name. David Devil. Meh, so I sign here?"

:lol

Will Tracy McGrady challenge Nomar Garciaparra and Alex Rodriguez for the Ewing Theory MVP this year????

:lol

Raptors sure got smoked today...just completely out of synch. Can't say I care though, they've been getting blown out at Arco every year since the Kings got good. Of course they now get to visit the Jazz tomorrow night, where AK47 will probably get double digit in blocks. :lol

 

[Fifty]

That should be a good game....We should do better than tonight...tough schedule though. Kings in Arco, where we can never win....against a hungry Kings team as well....now against a very very impressive-looking Jazz squad. I missed tonight's game because I chose to play Halo 2 instead ( I have no excuses, other than I knew we'd lose to the damn Kings at home)

 

[DMczaf]

 

[etiolate]

Rick Adleman yelling at his player Doug Christie to "slap dat ass" in a game against Toronto.

I just don't know what to say about this one.

 

[Poody]

I just don't know what to say about this one.

:lol

 

[Poody]

Did anyone read about Artist might retire because he somehow jeopardized the integrity of the team?

 

[Matrix]

Evil personified.

 

[Fifty]

Did anyone read about Artist might retire because he somehow jeopardized the integrity of the team?

"Baby, it's over"

"You've got to be kidding me.."

"Don't be cruel, I just like to get my lay-on, not my lay-ups"

"You get back here this instant!"

"It's too late for that..Light the candles Sammy"

"I'll be there in a sec!"

 

[Miguel]

THROW IT YAAAAOWN!!!

 

[Shoryuken]

Here's an NBA.com story about the Suns 4-0 start.

Here Come the Suns

With the addition of Steve Nash and Quentin Richardson we've become a scoring powerhouse, and surprisingly (so far) we're playing really good defense too. Here's some pretty interesting stuff.

And while the Suns' efficient offensive output has been impressive, they've been even more impressive on the defensive end. The Suns have forced 18.5 turnovers per game, which has helped them average 15.0 fast break points per game.

Phoenix also leads the league in opponents' field goal percentage, holding foes to a meager .363 field goal percentage. And only Milwaukee, Dallas and Cleveland have better defensive 3-point percentages than the Suns, who have held opponents to a .224 clip from behind the arc.

At 106.5 points per game, the Suns lead the league in scoring average by three points over the equally impressive 4-0 Utah Jazz, who have tallied 103.5 points per game so far. Phoenix's output this season is 11 points better than their 95.5 points per game scoring average in 2003-04.

One key to the Suns' first-week success has been their ability to get out in front. The Suns have never trailed after the first quarter, have never trailed by more than six points at any time during those four games and have trailed by a total of 9 minutes and 36 seconds.
In the meantime, the Suns have created grand canyons between themselves and their opponents. Phoenix led Atlanta by 40, Philly by 21, New Jersey by 34 and the Bulls by 23. The Suns have won their games by a silly 23.0 points per game.

Now granted at this point in the season this really doesn't mean much, but depending on how we match up with the Kings and Lakers (and the rest of the West's big guns), I think we may have a fairly good shot at the division title.

 

[Cloudy]

The Suns haven't played anybody yet. I wouldn't get too excited

 

[Gianny]

Can we agree that Andrei Kirilenko has the best nickname ever in the NBA?

What a coincidence AK 47

 

[Loki]

damn, Loki's getting worked on this page. That means he's in a weakened state, quick THROW OUT THE TRAP!

:lol


Dude, I didn't get "worked"-- 15 FT's per game is absurd, and far beyond Jordan's single-season high of 11.85 per game (most years he averaged 8-9 per game- check the stats). Kobe's not that aggressive, and nearly half of his offensive output is currently coming from FT's. That's just wrong.


All I ask is for the same people who always cried about Jordan supposedly getting special treatment from the refs to admit that Kobe's currently getting much more. Like I said, though, it's early-- let's see how long his 15 FT's per game last.


EDIT:

Btw...

Kobe fouled out his 1st time tonight in 3 seasons.

Bionic OWNED.