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November NBA Season Thread - It's finally time
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Flizzzipper
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Artest is a marketing genius. Before every Pacer highlight now they mention Artest's new CD is coming out :lol
Hurricane_Chris
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I don't really have anything to say about it...but even considering the # of games Kobe's played in that's a whole lotta free throws. If this keeps up for the rest of the season Kobe's gonna become exhausted from standing at the charity stripe ( sorta like how Barry Bonds was exhausted from standing up so much because of all those walks)
Hurricane_Chris
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BTW - I'm in outside the country right now so I haven't seen much of my Mavs (only saw one game so far) In the game I saw they were playing pretty tough and gritty defense and the O was clicking... If anyone's seen a few of their games, what do you think about 'em?
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Are the Jazz as good as their stats?
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Are the Jazz as good as their stats?
1. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers)
106/8 games
13.25 FTA per game
2. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)
68/7 games
9.72 FTA per game
3. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers)
67/6 games
11.17 FTA per game
4. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)
66/6 games
11 FTA per game
5. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)
64/6 games
10.67 FTA per game
Averaging 2 full freethrows more per game than everyone else.
106/8 games
13.25 FTA per game
2. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)
68/7 games
9.72 FTA per game
3. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers)
67/6 games
11.17 FTA per game
4. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)
66/6 games
11 FTA per game
5. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)
64/6 games
10.67 FTA per game
Averaging 2 full freethrows more per game than everyone else.
ddkawaii said:
The Mavs look EXTREMELY good. First of all, they are BY FAR the deepest team in the league. Second, they are actually playing defense
Devon Harris is playing very well and Jason Terry is instant offense off the bench. Howard and Daniels are solid as usual while Jerry Stackhouse seems to getting back to "star" status. Notice how I haven't even mentioned Dirk, Finley or Dampier yet? Oh and Dirk is the frontrunner for MVP in this early stage of the season. Dude is ridiculous.
PS: The Jazz are definitely as good as their record (unlike most of the other teams since they've actually played some decent teams :lol) and this is without their #1 and #2 point guards
PS2: People thinking Kobe is getting too many FTs, should watch the damn games :lol The guy is averaging a lot of FG attempts a game so he'll obviously get to the line. Hell, not many players can guard him on the perimeter so they resort to hacking and even then he converts several and-1s. Also, don't forget he's their designated technical foul shooter. Put the Haterade down, please
Flizzzipper said:
:lol So true. And he didn't even miss a paycheque from the Pacers...he basically got paid to watch two games, which means he got what he wanted anyway. :lol
Poody said:
I'd say the fact that Miller figured out what Kobe was really about over a year ahead of everybody else means that Reggie owned Kobe. Too bad few people picked up on it.
pestul said:
:lol I really hope Vince is playing with an injury, cause not much else explains his ridiculous lack of production.
Hurricane_Chris
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Cloud thanks for the info. I need to try and figure out how to set my PSX to record Mavs games when they come on satellite....
Anyways, I'm not hatin' on Kobe. I'm just looking at his stats and noticing he's tossing up a ton of FTs. His last game he only scored 19 and shot an unusually small # of FTs thats why his overall lead over everyone went down a bit. I suppose as the season goes on it'll go to normal and he'll be with the rest of the bunch. I'm just wondering what they changed this year that's getting Kobe to the line so much. Altho I have heard he's much faster and going to the hoop alot harder than before. So that could have something to do with it...
Anyways, I'm not hatin' on Kobe. I'm just looking at his stats and noticing he's tossing up a ton of FTs. His last game he only scored 19 and shot an unusually small # of FTs thats why his overall lead over everyone went down a bit. I suppose as the season goes on it'll go to normal and he'll be with the rest of the bunch. I'm just wondering what they changed this year that's getting Kobe to the line so much. Altho I have heard he's much faster and going to the hoop alot harder than before. So that could have something to do with it...
Ah Konex, keep trying to deny the obvious. I was merely the first to sound the bell about Kobe's absurd # of FT's, but now others are seeing it with their own eyes. And Kobe is shooting exactly the same amount of shots per game as he did last year, and MUCH fewer than he did in 2002-03. You know something is wrong when your made FT's account for 41% (this is down from 47% prior to the last 2 games) of your total scored points. That is, you know something's wrong unless your name is Konex...
And hell, 13.25 FT's per game is nothing. Prior to last night's game, it was 14.5 per game (he only shot 7 FT's last night, which brought it down), and through 6 games, it was 15 FT's per game. Insane. And Iverson is averaging the same amount of FG's as Kobe is, and is more aggressive to boot, so the "he's taking a lot of FG's" argument is moot. Also, it must suck when ALLEN IVERSON has a better FG% than you (41% vs. Kobe's < 39%). Konex am crying!
The Lakers are 8 games into the season. It's a bit ridiculous to compare those stats to full season stats. Relax, haters
He also only took 1 shot in the 4th quarter of that game...
PS: Kobe will still shoot > 45% when it's all said and done. Just wait till they get their rebounders back and they don't have to outshoot teams to win comfortably
He also only took 1 shot in the 4th quarter of that game...
PS: Kobe will still shoot > 45% when it's all said and done. Just wait till they get their rebounders back and they don't have to outshoot teams to win comfortably
Cloudy said:
Man, didn't you read the quote?
Seriously, you don't think Reggie didn't have at least a bit of insight into what was going on?????
Cloudy said:Maybe he is trying to get traded?
Playing like a bench player with a max deal isn't the sensible way to acheive that. :lol I really haven't got the sense that he's playing with the intent of getting traded, cause if he was he'd be jacking up 25 shots a game. I don't know, something just seems off.
Anyways, about Vince. In all seriousness, I just think he's being real tentative when the other guys are having big games. It seems like he doesn't wanna take over and be blamed if it doesn't go right. Hey, they're competitive and have a decent (if not misleading) record so just enjoy the ride
I read a rumor that they'll try to move him for Ray Allen mid-season. The Sonics have Flip and risk getting nothing back for Ray when his deal is up (I don't think they'll max him out). The salaries can match up if Seattle gets under the cap somehow but will Ray re-sign with the Raps
PS: I also read that the Nuggs are interested in Ray (he is EXACTLY what they need) but they want to sign him after the season...
I read a rumor that they'll try to move him for Ray Allen mid-season. The Sonics have Flip and risk getting nothing back for Ray when his deal is up (I don't think they'll max him out). The salaries can match up if Seattle gets under the cap somehow but will Ray re-sign with the Raps
PS: I also read that the Nuggs are interested in Ray (he is EXACTLY what they need) but they want to sign him after the season...
Ninja Scooter
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Reggie and Kobe were really good friends from the time Kobe was a rookie, they used to spend offseasons together in LA training and playing together during the summers. Reggie was one guy Kobe supposedly confided in when he was having problems with his parents after marrying Vanessa. Thats what Reggie was talking about when he mentions Kobe's "personal problems". He didn't figure out shit.
RobotChant
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Shinobi said:
They changed the rules so that if a player sits out for disciplinary reasons, they don't get paid. You can get around it by having the player suit up and just not playing him.
I haven't posted since the Raptors tied the Sonics two games ago....I'm shellshocked. Two ridiculously close games, where we had a last shot to win/tie, and we get two L's. I'm feeling down....I wish I had a second team like Shinobi :lol (No, that wasn't a shot at you, I honestly wish I had another team to cheer for...but I'll wear purple and black with pride, even in my dark times)
pestul said:
I'm dissapointed with Vince. He couldn't even get to the free throw line. That is inexcusable for an nba superstar. Ah well, at least we still have Bosh, Rafer and Rose. Vince can be traded for all I care. Time to start building around Chris Bosh IMO. It's still early in the season but if Vince doesn't show something now, I say peace.
Fifty said:
:lol It has made the NBA easier to watch the last few years, but if I had to choose one team it'd have to be the Raps. I think.
Cloudy said:Anyways, about Vince. In all seriousness, I just think he's being real tentative when the other guys are having big games. It seems like he doesn't wanna take over and be blamed if it doesn't go right. Hey, they're competitive and have a decent (if not misleading) record so just enjoy the ride
I read a rumor that they'll try to move him for Ray Allen mid-season. The Sonics have Flip and risk getting nothing back for Ray when his deal is up (I don't think they'll max him out). The salaries can match up if Seattle gets under the cap somehow but will Ray re-sign with the Raps
PS: I also read that the Nuggs are interested in Ray (he is EXACTLY what they need) but they want to sign him after the season...
Ray Allen for Vince Carter is the deal that I think makes the most sense for the Raptors if they're looking to go one for one, but that deal looks kinda laughable when Vince is only throwing up 4 points in 22 minutes. :lol I do think Vince is more content with being a cog in the wheel as opposed to be the whole car, and he's really competed hard on defense for the most part this year. Still don't see why he'd be this much off offensively though.
Ninja Scooter said:
Never said Reggie figured out anything...I merely said he knew. Which he clearly did.
:lol :lol :lol
RobotChant said:
Ah, I see...well either way he got out of not playing. :lol
Raptors finally hit the road and look what happens. :lol Also, talk of this Ray for Vince trade is pretty far-fetched, don't you think? Ray is far and away the better player and a straight up trade would be a stupid move by the part of Sonics management. Maybe Toronto will offer someone else along with Vince to really give the trade talks some hope -- otherwise, it's just wishful thinking by those stuck across the border.
Incognito said:
It's still early. Once the Raps get a solid group of guys together who'll play consistantly every game, they'll be playoff team. I agree on the Vince/Allen trade though. Vince just ins't looking attractive to GM's right now. I doubt that trade can go down any time soon, if at all.
Vince wasn't attractive even before the season started. If he still wants out, he's only hurt his trade value with his lack of offensive production.
As for the Raptors, they were the first team to beat the Jazz, and came back from way back against both Seattle and Portland to force both tilts into last second shot games. That's a vast improvement over last year's squad.
As for the Raptors, they were the first team to beat the Jazz, and came back from way back against both Seattle and Portland to force both tilts into last second shot games. That's a vast improvement over last year's squad.
Cloudy said:
Ray is apparantely on record in saying he'd love to play here, as he has some friends in the area. Which doesn't mean much mind you, cause Vince has said the same thing. Ray would be a great fit here though. Having said that, I'd miss Vince...I think he brings more positives then most people think. Still, until he gets back to scoring 20-25 a night, it's pretty much a moot issue.
Also, letting a guy walk isn't the worst thing in the world. In the NBA, cap room is probably even more valuable then players, since there's precious little of it. Seattle would have a lot of flexibility next summer with over 14 mill off the cap.
RobotChant
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I thought everybody was loving Vince again. I guess I was wrong.
It's too early to be thinking about building around Bosh. If Vince was his old self, he and Bosh would make a good dual. But right now Bosh is still too young to be the primary guy and Vince is playing like he's old. They’ve been playing decently as a group thus far. Things could be worse.
It's too early to be thinking about building around Bosh. If Vince was his old self, he and Bosh would make a good dual. But right now Bosh is still too young to be the primary guy and Vince is playing like he's old. They’ve been playing decently as a group thus far. Things could be worse.
Then again, you have the Ewing factor to consider...
Anyway, Vince has got to be one of the worst current NBA Superstars...just not worthy of that title. He doesn't go the line. He's not making the highlights....sure he's playing team ball, but that doesn't do shit for a team that could use some offensive help. Whatever, I'm just pissed that we're stuck with a player who is lacking in toughness (his heart is debatable), doesn't want to play here (If he now does, he hasn't commented on it) Give us Ray, give us AI...give us Zach Randolph (these aren't going to happen, I'm just dreaming) Fuck...Abdur-Rahim is a better player right now.
edit: Hmmmm...Adbur Rahim and Ratliff for Vince and maybe someone else, could that be done? We'd have a top quality center to compliment Bosh, and a scorer who can go to the rim.
Anyway, Vince has got to be one of the worst current NBA Superstars...just not worthy of that title. He doesn't go the line. He's not making the highlights....sure he's playing team ball, but that doesn't do shit for a team that could use some offensive help. Whatever, I'm just pissed that we're stuck with a player who is lacking in toughness (his heart is debatable), doesn't want to play here (If he now does, he hasn't commented on it) Give us Ray, give us AI...give us Zach Randolph (these aren't going to happen, I'm just dreaming) Fuck...Abdur-Rahim is a better player right now.
edit: Hmmmm...Adbur Rahim and Ratliff for Vince and maybe someone else, could that be done? We'd have a top quality center to compliment Bosh, and a scorer who can go to the rim.
:lol
Yah, I just checked to make sure:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/roster?team=cle
It won't even be close for the starting spot....
Yah, I just checked to make sure:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/roster?team=cle
It won't even be close for the starting spot....
Memphis sucks.
As much as I hate to say it, you're right that a Carter for Allen trade is ridiculously unbalanced in Toronto's favor. You just know something's wrong when Ray's had more dunks in one game than Vince has so far in the season.
:lol You speak as if we got demolished. We're the only team to have beaten Utah so far, and our past two losses were damn close despite being pretty ugly games. The way I see it we can only get better as the season progresses.Incognito said:
As much as I hate to say it, you're right that a Carter for Allen trade is ridiculously unbalanced in Toronto's favor. You just know something's wrong when Ray's had more dunks in one game than Vince has so far in the season.
Cloudy said:I think VC would tip the "vengeance scale" if he was traded and start dominating. The guy's heart is just not in Toronto anymore IMO...
Hehe, that's why I don't want him leaving...I just know he'd blow up elsewhere.
RobotChant said:
I've been a Vince fan through thick and thin, but I'd have a hard time defending his current offensive production to say, just being part of the team.
And I agree about Bosh...I love the kid, but it's typical of this town to overhype way too soon. Nothing to say that he won't get tired of the Raptors in a few years...he'd hardly be the first.
Cloudy said:It'll be interesting to see the allstar votes this year. Will Vince's votes take a huge dive?
If it doesn't take a dive this year, it never will. :lol With Bron being listed at forward (a very conveniant move by the NBA suits), and with Grant Hill picking up his game, there's no way Vince makes the team unless he spits out five or six highlight dunks and 25 points a game.
I think it's safe to say that Vince is not his old self and may never return to that level of greatness. He likes the fadeaway jumper too much, lacks the ball-handling ability of elite guards like Kobe or Tracy, and clearly does move as quickly as he used to. In what I consider to be Vince's prime, he could blow by opponents with a frighteningly quick first step, but that was always in a one-on-one situation. When a player has two or more defenders on him, he has to rely on his ball-handling skills and speed to split the defense or get free enough to make a pass to the open man. How many times have we seen Kobe or Tracy split two defenders and get to the hoop for a bucket? They do it all the time and make it look easy. As far as I know, Vince has never shown this to be a part of his skillset, so I would assume he doesn't have it. Even at his best I always felt he had a thousand times more grace in the air than when handling the rock.
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