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November NBA Season Thread - It's finally time

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Mike Works

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SKluck said:
Oh wow. Shit, embarassed to be from Detroit tonight.
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As opposed to yesterday?

Bowser said:
It's like the Pedro/Zimmer thing last year; 60 or 16, if you dish shit out, you better be ready to take some right back.
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But he just said that he still had a drink in his hand, and thus WASN'T the guy who "dished shit out". So the rationalization then becomes...?
 
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Bowser

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Mike Works said:
But he just said that he still had a drink in his hand, and thus WASN'T the guy who "dished shit out". So the rationalization then becomes...?
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No, apparently what happened was that the 60-something guy threw the beer at Artest, and Artest charged at a dude who was laughing and pointing at him, thinking that dude threw the beer. While Artest was beating the crap outta that dude, the 60-something guy who threw the beer came in and started suckerpunching Artest in the back of the head. Artest was wrong in that he hit the guy who (apparently) didn't do anything, but even then the 60 year old dude kept hitting him. It's just a big mess.
 
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DCX

DCX
Ninja Scooter said:
:lol the ref got nailed like JFK! Best NBA game EVER!
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Yeah i just caught that...he got pegged, the Tigers should sign that fan up to pitch next year.

DCX
 
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Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
early results from ESPN poll:

1) Was this the ugliest incident of fan-player violence you can recall?


83.3% Yes

16.7% No


2) Which was the worst incident between fans and players?


67.9% Ron Artest and Pacers battle Detroit fans in the stands

26.1% Royals coach Tom Gamboa attacked on field in Chicago

6.0% Texas pitcher Frank Francisco throws chair into stands


3) Who is most to blame for Friday night's brawl in Detroit?


53.4% Detroit fans

31.8% Ron Artest

8.7% Ben Wallace

5.4% Detroit security

0.7% Referees


4) Do you fault Ron Artest for going into the stands after being hit from close range by a full cup of beer and other items?


50.7% Yes, he has to have a cooler head and let security handle it.

49.3% No, any person has a right to defend him or herself in that situation.


5) Do you fault other Pacers players for going into the stands after Artest reacted?


57.8% No, they've got to protect a teammate

42.2% Yes, they weren't attacked but they escalated the situation


6) What should happen to Ben Wallace?


54.3% Suspended 1-5 games

17.7% Monetary fine but no suspension

15.5% Suspended 6-10 games

12.5% Suspended more than 10 games


7) What should happen to Ron Artest?


38.2% Suspended more than 10 games

27.3% Suspended 1-5 games

18.7% Monetary fine but no suspension

15.7% Suspended 6-10 games


8) What should happen to Stephen Jackson?


32.9% Suspended 1-5 games

31.4% Suspended more than 10 games

19.1% Suspended 6-10 games

16.6% Monetary fine but no suspension


9) Should local authorities use videotape to prosecute unruly fans on any applicable charges relating to Friday's game?


58.7% Yes, anyone throwing anything at players or personnel

34.0% Yes, but only those involved in physical violence

7.3% No, keep it out of those kind of courts


10) How much of a role did alcohol play in Friday's brawl escalating out of control?


50.2% Somewhat responsible

37.2% Largely responsible

12.6% Barely played a role


11) When should beer sales end at NBA games?


40.1% Halftime

39.2% After third quarter

20.6% End of the game


12) Have you ever had too much to drink at a sporting event?


74.4% No

25.6% Yes


13) Should the NBA consider nearby neutral sites like Toledo, Louisville or Cincinnati for future Pistons-Pacers games?


81.0% No

19.0% Yes


14) Are fans hypocritical for blasting a loss of sportsmanship among professional athletes?


52.9% Yes. Have you been to a game lately? Fans have lost all civility.

47.1% No. It's only a small percentage of fans, compared to a larger percentage of athletes.


15) What did you think of the foul by Artest that started the incident?


39.3% It was a hard foul but that's about it.

33.8% Cheap shot. What was he doing fouling at all at that point?

26.9% Wallace was just sore about the score; fouls like that happen all the time.


16) What should happen to Jermaine O'Neal?


53.2% Suspended 1-5 games

16.6% Monetary fine but no suspension

15.9% Suspended 6-10 games

14.5% Suspended more than 10 games


Total Votes: 14,747
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can't believe that big a majority thinks artest should be suspended for 10+
huh
 
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Mike Works

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Bowser said:
No, apparently what happened was that the 60-something guy threw the beer at Artest, and Artest charged at a dude who was laughing and pointing at him, thinking that dude threw the beer. While Artest was beating the crap outta that dude, the 60-something guy who threw the beer came in and started suckerpunching Artest in the back of the head. Artest was wrong in that he hit the guy who (apparently) didn't do anything, but even then the 60 year old dude kept hitting him. It's just a big mess.
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Err, I think you've got the guys backwards. The 60 year old dude is the guy who didn't do anything, was still holding the beer, and got attacked by artest. The punk people are referring to, who is definitely not 60, was the guy (wearing a baseball hat) who comes up from behind.
 
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G4life98

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Eminem said:
because he overreacted to start the whole damn thing. he was frustrated his team got beat and overreacted like a punk. everyone on ESPN and the commentators said the same thing.

not only that, artest is laying on the table away from everything and staying calm, and ben throws a towel at him? wtf is that?
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i agree the push was wrong, but ben didnt place rons dumbass in the crowd and make him punch people.

Honestly im surprised it took this long for it to get really bad between these two team...you could always feel it brewing under the surface.
 
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Miguel

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"Prior to Sprewell's ban, the longest suspensions for violence in league history were 26 games given to Kermit Washington for punching opponent Rudy Tomjanovich during in a game in 1977; 11 games given to Dennis Rodman for kicking a courtside cameraman last year; and 10 games to Vernon Maxwell for going into the stands in Portland and attacking a heckler in 1995. Sprewell already has missed 26 games."

This is Maxwell 2.0. Not as bad as the dumbshit fan that was heckling Max cause of his stillborn daughter in Portland. Max ran up 10 seats and clocked the guy.

I forgot what happened with the whole lawsuit and everything, but he got 10 games suspension.
 
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SKluck

Banned
G4life98 said:
i agree the push was wrong, but ben didnt place rons dumbass in the crowd and make him punch people.

Honestly im surprised it took this long for it to get really bad between these two team...you could always feel it brewing under the surface.
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UNDER THE SURFACE? Carlisle (Used to coach Pistons, was fired) goes right to the Pacers and the Pacers start kicking the Pistons' asses. That is BIG, on top of them both vying for the top spot in the east.
 
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G4life98

Member
Eminem said:
reaffirms...fuck you ben wallace. throwing a towel like a goddamn moron.
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we must be watching different video...oh well

im glad ben stopped being the nice guy and taking shit from fuckwits like ron.
 
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Poody

What program do you use to photoshop a picture?
Eminem said:
reaffirms...fuck you ben wallace. throwing a towel like a goddamn moron.
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Oh snap did you guys catch the chair that was thrown? Piston fans thought it was ECW.
 
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Cubsfan23

Banned
eh it wasn't even a hard foul, artest barely tapped him. If the NBA suspends any of the pacers for a lengthy amount of a time, it would be bullshit, the NBA needs to protects its players first.
 
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Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
Cubsfan23 said:
eh it wasn't even a hard foul, artest barely tapped him. If the NBA suspends any of the pacers for a lengthy amount of a time, it would be bullshit, the NBA needs to protects its players first.
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I agree completely. I say Jackson should be hit hardest.

Poody said:
Oh snap did you guys catch the chair that was thrown? Piston fans thought it was ECW.
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:lol :lol
Sickening.

I'm pretty surprised no one in the crowd had a knife or anything on them. This actually could have been so much worse.
 
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Flizzzipper

Member
Damn, didn't see where Wallace threw the towel at Artest....what a coincidence that a beer got thrown 10 seconds later...Wallace banned from NBA!!!1 :lol
 
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Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
Flizzzipper said:
Damn, didn't see where Wallace threw the towel at Artest....what a coincidence that a beer got thrown 10 seconds later...Wallace banned from NBA!!!1 :lol
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worst thing is artest isn't even paying attention to him...and then there's this sudden white blur by his face. ugh.


this is so entertaining and cool i love it...but on the other hand, it really kinda disgusts me.
 
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Zep

Banned
POST OF THE NIGHT--------->
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Kon Tiki

Banned
10) How much of a role did alcohol play in Friday's brawl escalating out of control?


50.2% Somewhat responsible

37.2% Largely responsible

12.6% Barely played a role
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I see some Pistons' fans got back early to participate in the poll.
 
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Ninja Scooter

Member
poor Darko still can't get no love.

Milicic benched during Pistons-Pacers brawl
By Jim Margalus
Friday, November 19th, 2004

DETROIT (sPERTS.net) – Even if he’s not going onto the floor, Darko Milicic can’t get off the bench.
After Friday night’s Pistons-Pacers game was interrupted and eventually cancelled by a players-fans brawl in the stands, Larry Brown didn't allow Milicic to see action.



After Ron Artest and the Pacers rushed the stands, almost every Piston joined the fracas...
The second pick overall in the 2003 NBA Draft sat and watched as teammates defended fans against furious Indiana players.

“I do what coach tells me to,” Milicic told the media after the game. “That’s all I have told you guys, and that’s all I can tell you guys.”

The brawl began with 45 seconds left in the game with the Pacers ahead 97-82. Indiana’s Ron Artest went to the sidelines after receiving a hard shove to the face from Detroit forward Ben Wallace. A fan threw a drink on Artest while he lay on the scorer’s table, and the erratic star jumped into the stands. A melee ensued as his teammates followed.

All the Pistons joined the brawl to try to restore some peace except Milicic, who was ordered by Larry Brown to stay seated.

“I couldn’t believe what happened, and I got up to help,” he said. “That’s when coach put his hand on my shoulder and said, ‘Not today, Darko.’”

Brown has faced a lot of criticism in regards to his handling of Milicic. After the Pistons used their first pick in last year’s draft on the Serbian phenom, he only played 159 minutes in his rookie year. This year has not been any different, as the seven-footer has only played in one game.



...but Darko Milicic was forced to remain in his seat.
“He’s coming along, but I don’t think he has what it takes to rumble in the stands at this point,” Brown said. “Europeans are a lot more fundamentally sound, but they lack that necessary aggression.”

Brown said that Milicic is effective from long range, but the Palace of Auburn Hills does not allow Molotov cocktails.

”Maybe in Serbia, but not here,” Brown reiterated.

Brown has reserved Milicic for games in which the Pistons are soundly ahead, and maintains that practicing with Rasheed Wallace every day will sharpen his skills. However, Brown says that the 19-year-old got garbage time on Friday – literally.

“He got some mop-up work in,” Brown said. “Do you have any idea how many drinks were thrown?”

The NBA will likely take a few days to review matters before coming to a decision on punishment. While nobody directly involved reported injuries, Indiana coach Rick Carlisle was hospitalized after Pistons fans overturned him and set him on fire
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Incognito

Troll
DaddyZ said:
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

So awesome. And did you guys notice that the fat guy in the gray shirt that was pounding on Fred Jones was also the dude consoling the crying kids of some players family after he did his dirty work?

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Archaix

Drunky McMurder
10) How much of a role did alcohol play in Friday's brawl escalating out of control?


50.2% Somewhat responsible

37.2% Largely responsible

12.6% Barely played a role



12) Have you ever had too much to drink at a sporting event?


74.4% No

25.6% Yes
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Bullshit! How the fuck can you say that alcohol wasn't the reason this happened? It was BEER that was thrown! :D


And I don't buy that 75% of espn.com viewers never drank too much at a sporting event. I will buy that they are likely worthless fucking drunks who don't realize they are drinking too much, however. :
 
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bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Wow...just, wow.

I can't believe what I just saw. Ridiculous on all sides. Can't wait to see the fallout tomorrow. David Stern probably strangled an intern tonight and didn't even notice.

Crazy.
 
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Ned Flanders

Banned
The best news out of this whole ordeal is that we will no longer be inundated with bullshit extrapolation about the stupid MNF/Housewives incedent!! Hurrah!!
 
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Ned Flanders

Banned
Cubsfan23 said:
eh it wasn't even a hard foul, artest barely tapped him. If the NBA suspends any of the pacers for a lengthy amount of a time, it would be bullshit, the NBA needs to protects its players first.
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I think ya'll are being a little too dismissive of the foul. I don't have a vendetta against Artest like some people, -I just think he's an ADHD social retard, but the foul was not simply an average foul. I wouldn't call it flagrant either, but a technical to be sure.

The game was over with. You don't need a hard foul, all you had to do was wrap his arms up. It was situationally unnecessary.

Artest's right arm just delivered a slap, but he jobbed Benny in the back of the head with his left hand/forearm pretty good. If you watch the slow-mo again, you can tell it was extra-cirricular in nature. And everyone knows that you tend to act up whenever you're hit in the head, incedental or not. Wallace was likely particularly volitile given the situation with his brothers death and the fact that Artest has a rep as a instigator.


Again, I'm not saying it was a blatant, dirty flagrant, but it was definitely a hard foul, in which case you can't split hairs over the reaction, especially if someone is hit in the head. You can never justify violence, but people are acting like Artest gave Benny a hand check and Ben grabbed a sawed-off shotgun and mowed his family down. Not the case at all.
 
jobber

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
well, after I digested all this, my thoughts...

I'm glad Artest flipped. Rodman was my favorite player when he joined the Spurs and he brought the attitude to the team. Artest has the torch and he's running with it. Even down to the 91. Great D, great fighting skills, and doesn't care what people think.

With that said.... Spurs going 81-1 IS ALIVE!

p.s. What have they done to Steve Jax? He was such a nice kid.
 
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Mike Works

Member
bishoptl said:
Wow...just, wow.

I can't believe what I just saw. Ridiculous on all sides. Can't wait to see the fallout tomorrow. David Stern probably strangled an intern tonight and didn't even notice.

Crazy.
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Now we just need something like this to happen in football and the whole American sports fans casting their high noses down on hockey because of Bertuzzi will finally fade away.

How about this Sunday? Toronto team humiliated by Lions, voluntarily attacks citizens of Ottawa as redemption. It's plausable!

jobber said:
Artest has the headphones and he's listening with it like a bitch.
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