AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
XS+ said:
YES! That's who I was thinking of. Fuckin' Balrog. That punch was brutal.
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November NBA Season Thread - It's finally time
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YES! That's who I was thinking of. Fuckin' Balrog. That punch was brutal.
Coin Return
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Matlock said:
Ah yes, bottlegate. My brother was there and said it was one of the best experiences of his life.
NintenDogg
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Yo sportscenter usually repeats all night, one show after the other, at the beginning of the hour. They show it in it's entirety, then show a recap, showing each of the events that happened, if one of you can capture that, that would be great, then we could all download it
The JO punch is only shown in the recap, but you get good footage of everything
just to tip you guys off if you still want to capture it.
The JO punch is only shown in the recap, but you get good footage of everything
just to tip you guys off if you still want to capture it.
Ned Flanders
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Auburn Hills =/ Detroit
Ninja Scooter
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the only downside to all this is that it happened on a Friday, so we have to wait the whole weekend to hear Kornheiser and Wilbon rant about this shit.
"Sorry no account Detroit Piston fans!"
"Sorry no account Detroit Piston fans!"
Ned Flanders
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Jermaine OwnedNeal??
Ninja Scooter
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new wallpaper?
NintenDogg
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Looks like Christmas Day is going to be dubbed "Fight Night" in the NBA
2 games for Christmas Day
Heat @ Lakers
Detroit @ Indiana
just for those wondering
March 25: Indiana @ Detroit (Rumble in the Jungle!! Thrilla in the Hillas(of Auburn)!!)
2 games for Christmas Day
Heat @ Lakers
Detroit @ Indiana
just for those wondering
March 25: Indiana @ Detroit (Rumble in the Jungle!! Thrilla in the Hillas(of Auburn)!!)
Greenpanda
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Man, if stuff like this could only happen every week, I might have to start watching professional sports.
BatiGOOOOOOL
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Finally saw the whole video.
I can't believe any Pistons fan would defend what Ben Wallace did. Only a blind fan could say with no shame that Artest foul was worthy of that kind of reaction.
Fuck that. Wallace way overreacted and he was the instigator of the whole mess. Detroit fans look up to him, plus they all know Artest has a short fuse, so it's not a good combination. He should get a heavy suspension too.
I can't believe any Pistons fan would defend what Ben Wallace did. Only a blind fan could say with no shame that Artest foul was worthy of that kind of reaction.
Fuck that. Wallace way overreacted and he was the instigator of the whole mess. Detroit fans look up to him, plus they all know Artest has a short fuse, so it's not a good combination. He should get a heavy suspension too.
NintenDogg
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what does Kimmel have to do with Detroit?? I must have missed the low down on that
LEBRON KING JAMES
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ahahaha fred jones got his ass tore up. he was trying to make like the guards was holding him back
LEBRON KING JAMES
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oh yeah the game is about to come back on right now on espn2 if anybody aint see it
Ned Flanders
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BatiGOOOOOOL said:
Yeah but the same people saying that Wallace over-reacted after getting bashed in the back of the head are saying that Artest was completely justified bum-rushing the stands after being hit in the face with a plastic bottle. Sounds like selective judgment to me. Both were reacting to being struck unexpectedly. And you're telling me you've never been volatile after the death of a friend/loved one? Cut Ben a little slack. What he did was wrong, but no more disdainful than Ron Ron bumrushing the bleachers.
EDIT: And another thing- Given Artest's rep, he doesn't deserved to be cut any slack by other players, just like Rasheed, Rodman and others weren't in their prime. When you make your reputation off of being chippy and antagonistic, players aren't gonna assume the best when you give them a hard foul. If Dirk Nowitzki or Grant Hill administered that foul, cooler heads will prevail because these guys are not malicious players. Ron Ron has always been a knucklehead and the fact is that any slack that other players are afforded in the given situation, he reeled in a long time ago with all his antics and flagrant fouls. The situation is very dependent upon the players involved, and Wallace and Artest both new that..
NintenDogg
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Miguel said:
man THAT pissed people off?? detroit is lame
RobotChant
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The fans deserve what they got.
It's a shame this had to happen. Even though it's still early in the season, it's been really entertaining thus far.
It's a shame this had to happen. Even though it's still early in the season, it's been really entertaining thus far.
Wow lol, I really picked the wrong night to go out it seems. 
Just caught all the replays on ESPN, including the Artest foul that sparked it all. First off, anybody saying that Wallace should be suspended for more than a game or two is smoking crack. All he did (I only saw the push once, so maybe I missed something) was push Artest very hard. He didn't do anything after that. And no, throwing a towel at another player doesn't merit a 3+ game suspension.
The fans were assholes, plain and simple. There is NO justification for throwing anything at anybody, either at players on the court or at another fan in the stands. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, if a guy throws a beer on me and I lay him out, like someone said earlier, it's gonna be me who ends up getting charged. I doubt you can "self-defend" yourself against liquids tossed from a distance-- unless you were the Wicked Witch of the West and were gonna melt, and felt that your life was in serious jeopardy. So it'll be interesting to see not only how the league reacts, but law enforcement as well. I mean, I'm not sure what the law is, but I'm pretty sure if I was in a bar and some dude tossed a beer on me, I'd get in serious trouble if I hurt him. So I dunno...
Also, you can't really say that Artest was "defending himself" against that fat dude who walked on the court. The dude was just talking shit to him and walked towards him (wasn't even in striking range), and Artest just clocked him twice. What's funny is that Artest must be a bitch, because the guy took two direct hits and didn't flinch-- he kept coming until he slipped on the beer and fell. :lol
And Jermaine O'Neal too-- how is it "self-defense" to run in from 20 feet away as you wind up for a haymaker and then deck a guy who didn't even raise a hand to you? That was uncalled for imo. Yes, obviously fans shouldn't be on the court at all, but the players have to realize that A) this was not a normal situation, and B) that they shouldn't be hitting people who didn't provoke/attack them.
Don't even get me started on Stephen Jackson-- he should get the worst of it imo. He had no business being in the stands. Screw all the "protecting his teammate" nonsense-- it's not like the fans all ganged up on Artest and were stomping on him on the ground. Security was en route, and the situation would have been resolved; unfortunately, Jackson's involvement only escalated things.
Honestly, I don't see how Jermaine O'Neal (and Artest, for the punches he threw at the fan on the court) can NOT be brought up on charges or be held liable in some way for throwing that haymaker. O'Neal wasn't even THERE-- he ran from like 20 feet away to throw that punch. If he was in the vicinity of that fan then you could almost make a case that he felt threatened by that guy, but what's his excuse really? Jackson too-- he just came into the stands swinging. At the very least, like somebody said earlier, they just made several people very rich.
I mean, I understand that people shouldn't be on the court, but I just don't feel that that gives players (or anyone) carte blanche to do as they see fit, UNLESS they feel threatened. And I have a hard time believing that they can make the case that EITHER of those fans posed a threat to them, PARTICULARLY in O'Neal's case, since he inserted himself into the situation by running over from outside the general area.
Just some crazy, crazy shit all around. This is a huge black-eye for the NBA, and will have repercussions in terms of attendance and viewership imo.
Should a guy who gets a beer thrown at him be able to deck the guy who did it? In an ideal world, sure. Assholes deserve to get what's coming to them. All I'm saying is that the law must be consistent, and I'm reasonably certain that if any of us decked some guy over it (never mind nearly inciting a riot over it), we'd be held legally accountable. It'll be interesting to see if any of the players are-- if not for the initial incident (Artest's running into the stands), then for the aforementioned incidents with the fans on the court, which, based on what I saw, were totally inexcusable.
Just caught all the replays on ESPN, including the Artest foul that sparked it all. First off, anybody saying that Wallace should be suspended for more than a game or two is smoking crack. All he did (I only saw the push once, so maybe I missed something) was push Artest very hard. He didn't do anything after that. And no, throwing a towel at another player doesn't merit a 3+ game suspension.
The fans were assholes, plain and simple. There is NO justification for throwing anything at anybody, either at players on the court or at another fan in the stands. They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. However, if a guy throws a beer on me and I lay him out, like someone said earlier, it's gonna be me who ends up getting charged. I doubt you can "self-defend" yourself against liquids tossed from a distance-- unless you were the Wicked Witch of the West and were gonna melt, and felt that your life was in serious jeopardy.
So it'll be interesting to see not only how the league reacts, but law enforcement as well. I mean, I'm not sure what the law is, but I'm pretty sure if I was in a bar and some dude tossed a beer on me, I'd get in serious trouble if I hurt him. So I dunno...Also, you can't really say that Artest was "defending himself" against that fat dude who walked on the court. The dude was just talking shit to him and walked towards him (wasn't even in striking range), and Artest just clocked him twice. What's funny is that Artest must be a bitch, because the guy took two direct hits and didn't flinch-- he kept coming until he slipped on the beer and fell. :lol
And Jermaine O'Neal too-- how is it "self-defense" to run in from 20 feet away as you wind up for a haymaker and then deck a guy who didn't even raise a hand to you? That was uncalled for imo. Yes, obviously fans shouldn't be on the court at all, but the players have to realize that A) this was not a normal situation, and B) that they shouldn't be hitting people who didn't provoke/attack them.
Don't even get me started on Stephen Jackson-- he should get the worst of it imo. He had no business being in the stands. Screw all the "protecting his teammate" nonsense-- it's not like the fans all ganged up on Artest and were stomping on him on the ground. Security was en route, and the situation would have been resolved; unfortunately, Jackson's involvement only escalated things.
Honestly, I don't see how Jermaine O'Neal (and Artest, for the punches he threw at the fan on the court) can NOT be brought up on charges or be held liable in some way for throwing that haymaker. O'Neal wasn't even THERE-- he ran from like 20 feet away to throw that punch. If he was in the vicinity of that fan then you could almost make a case that he felt threatened by that guy, but what's his excuse really? Jackson too-- he just came into the stands swinging. At the very least, like somebody said earlier, they just made several people very rich.
I mean, I understand that people shouldn't be on the court, but I just don't feel that that gives players (or anyone) carte blanche to do as they see fit, UNLESS they feel threatened. And I have a hard time believing that they can make the case that EITHER of those fans posed a threat to them, PARTICULARLY in O'Neal's case, since he inserted himself into the situation by running over from outside the general area.
Just some crazy, crazy shit all around. This is a huge black-eye for the NBA, and will have repercussions in terms of attendance and viewership imo.
Should a guy who gets a beer thrown at him be able to deck the guy who did it? In an ideal world, sure. Assholes deserve to get what's coming to them. All I'm saying is that the law must be consistent, and I'm reasonably certain that if any of us decked some guy over it (never mind nearly inciting a riot over it), we'd be held legally accountable. It'll be interesting to see if any of the players are-- if not for the initial incident (Artest's running into the stands), then for the aforementioned incidents with the fans on the court, which, based on what I saw, were totally inexcusable.
Loki. Thank you. I'm probably the biggest homer you'll ever meet. I know the stereotypes that go with my city and hate when unnecessary shit is heaped on it. Today some of those fans acted like animals. I admit that. Ben overreacted, I admit that. But I just do not see how people can put this at his feet. Shit like that happens all the time. The fan who threw the bottle should be ejected, it's classless but again happens all the time. What doesn't always happen is lunatics who buy into their own badass hype charging into the crowd over people to slug the wrong guy.
Also for those saying Ronnie was defending himself. Why was he gully to beat on some pipsqueak who threw a bottle(OH boo-hoo). But he wanted NO PIECE of Ben Wallace who just decked in his fukken neck? Maybe just maybe he wasn't THAT concerned about his safety. And to say he shouldn't just let beer get thrown on him you saw what happened when he let his nuts hang out.
Also for those saying Ronnie was defending himself. Why was he gully to beat on some pipsqueak who threw a bottle(OH boo-hoo). But he wanted NO PIECE of Ben Wallace who just decked in his fukken neck? Maybe just maybe he wasn't THAT concerned about his safety. And to say he shouldn't just let beer get thrown on him you saw what happened when he let his nuts hang out.
I also just saw it all again on the game replay, and I must say that Wallace's push was a bit excessive. It was on Artest's neck/head, which I didn't see the first time. Still, I don't think it can or should be penalized the same way a punch would (ideally, however, there'd be a zero tolerance policy for EVERYONE, where you're out for half the season if you pull some shit, but since there's not and never will be, a push cannot be punished as harshly as a punch is), but it should definitely be penalized more than a normal push. Wallace should be punished for that-- just not as harshly as Artest, Jackson, or O'Neal should be imo.
The Faceless Master
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man, that has to be the funniest shit i've seen all week, especially jermaine's sliding punch!
Any footage of the foul? I caught the tail end of the replay, from what I saw it looked like a normal hard foul, but I couldn't say for sure without seeing it again. All the fight footage sure was entertaining, though. :lol
Stephen Jackson +10
Ron Artest +10
Jermaine O'Neal +max
Stephen Jackson +10
Ron Artest +10
Jermaine O'Neal +max
Holy shit....I still can't believe that happened. This is a pretty historic moment in sports...it's like the Rudy T/K Washington punch but x1000. I mean...where to start? The exchange between Wallace and Artest was a standard NBA rivalry fight...maybe a 2 game suspension for Ben and a fine for Artest normally. Then...it all went to hell. First of all, the lack of cops at such a tension filled game is inexcusable. At Red Sox-Yankees games their are dozens of cops just for this case and there aren't fans within 2 feet of the players in baseball. Then there's the thrown beer...that's totally out of line. From there, it escalated severly.
Artest had absolutely no right to go into the stands. I symphathize with him but you just CAN'T do that. He's gonna get a major suspension (30 games?) and he deserves it...but I don't think he should be banned for the year. Stephen Jackson should get the same punishment...his actions were a lot less excusable, but he was not the first to go into the stands. Jermaine should get a small suspension....his punch of other-wordly (it just came out of nowhere....you were just like "OH SNAP!" when watching it) but once a fan gets on the court, all bets are off IMO.
This incident is the culmination of so many things....the Detroit/Indiana rvalry (which immediately becomes the best in all sports, btw) which has gone on since Detroit fired Rick Carsisle, the insanity of Ron Artest, and the problem of beer being sold at sports events, which plagues all of pro sports.
Also, let me just point out that when watching the incident, you can't tell how it is to actually be there for a Pacer player. The tension is already high from the Wallace/Artest fight, so when fans start throwing stuff and (especially) run on the court, you feel as though you are surrounded by a mob. That's why I can't blame O'Neal too much...when there's a fan on the court that you percieve as a threat and he's being helped up by some other non-police guys (he can't tell whether or not they were trying to get the guy off the court), you think they are a threat.
And finally...no one has really said it yet...but race will be a huge factor in how this is percieved. The ramifications of this incident are REALLY far reaching and I think we'll be talking about for a long, long time.
EDIT- Btw, this incident could have been A LOT worse. No one got injured, which will keep the chargest and lawsuits to a minimum, I think.
Artest had absolutely no right to go into the stands. I symphathize with him but you just CAN'T do that. He's gonna get a major suspension (30 games?) and he deserves it...but I don't think he should be banned for the year. Stephen Jackson should get the same punishment...his actions were a lot less excusable, but he was not the first to go into the stands. Jermaine should get a small suspension....his punch of other-wordly (it just came out of nowhere....you were just like "OH SNAP!" when watching it) but once a fan gets on the court, all bets are off IMO.
This incident is the culmination of so many things....the Detroit/Indiana rvalry (which immediately becomes the best in all sports, btw) which has gone on since Detroit fired Rick Carsisle, the insanity of Ron Artest, and the problem of beer being sold at sports events, which plagues all of pro sports.
Also, let me just point out that when watching the incident, you can't tell how it is to actually be there for a Pacer player. The tension is already high from the Wallace/Artest fight, so when fans start throwing stuff and (especially) run on the court, you feel as though you are surrounded by a mob. That's why I can't blame O'Neal too much...when there's a fan on the court that you percieve as a threat and he's being helped up by some other non-police guys (he can't tell whether or not they were trying to get the guy off the court), you think they are a threat.
And finally...no one has really said it yet...but race will be a huge factor in how this is percieved. The ramifications of this incident are REALLY far reaching and I think we'll be talking about for a long, long time.
EDIT- Btw, this incident could have been A LOT worse. No one got injured, which will keep the chargest and lawsuits to a minimum, I think.
These guys on ESPN have to be kidding themselves. John Saunders on Sportscenter just said the players should get a pass for punching guys on the court. What a bunch of fucking idiots. Everyone is to blame here and nothing should go unpunished. You want to act like an idiot, you pay the price. As someone said before, this is the last thing the NBA needs to shred it's image of being full of overpaid punks. Not saying the fans weren't to blame but you should be above hitting some dude in the face cause he threw something at you. There's no excuse for violence, ever.
Jackson, Artest and O'Neal are A-Grade morons. I'd be giving them a minimum of 10 games suspension (even more for Artest for being a repeat offender). The NBA needs to set the tone here and show that you don't hit a fan, regardless of what "provokes" it. Vernon Maxwell got 10 games, these guys should get that and more since it spilled onto the court, and were hitting guys who hadn't provoked them. Wallace should get the standard in game fighting suspension (2 games) plus another 1-2 for throwing that towel and generally being an idiot.
For Detroit, I like the European soccer punishment for fan violence of empty stadium games. So when the Heat/Spurs/Pacers come to town, make them play in an empty arena. Also I'd like to see a permanent alcohol ban at the Palace. Plus life bans for anyone identified throwing something, and long bans for those hitting players/running on the court.
Quentin Richardson was also on the money - there's going to be a number of lawsuits from this since these guys are loaded.
The only funny thing here was Jamaal Tinsley threatening to hit someone with a dustpan.
Jackson, Artest and O'Neal are A-Grade morons. I'd be giving them a minimum of 10 games suspension (even more for Artest for being a repeat offender). The NBA needs to set the tone here and show that you don't hit a fan, regardless of what "provokes" it. Vernon Maxwell got 10 games, these guys should get that and more since it spilled onto the court, and were hitting guys who hadn't provoked them. Wallace should get the standard in game fighting suspension (2 games) plus another 1-2 for throwing that towel and generally being an idiot.
For Detroit, I like the European soccer punishment for fan violence of empty stadium games. So when the Heat/Spurs/Pacers come to town, make them play in an empty arena. Also I'd like to see a permanent alcohol ban at the Palace. Plus life bans for anyone identified throwing something, and long bans for those hitting players/running on the court.
Quentin Richardson was also on the money - there's going to be a number of lawsuits from this since these guys are loaded.
The only funny thing here was Jamaal Tinsley threatening to hit someone with a dustpan.
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