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November NBA Season Thread - It's finally time
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DMczaf said:Damn dude, you are one bitter mofo :lol
Why even care about what the Heat do? Are you THAT hateful of Shaq? Hell, none of the other Laker fans even talk about Shaq anymore. Move on...move on.
I agree, and you need to stop blaming others for T-Mac's failings.
First Grant Hill, then Gundy, who is next?
Might I suggest....
Jordan?
It always worked for me!
All Hail C-Webb
Hailing from the Chill-Web
bionic77 said:Damn we really need to learn how to close teams out. That is going to be tough to ask of this team right off the bat, but hopefully they learn quickly.
Sacremento looks like a shell of themselves, it is way too early to say anything this early, but I wonder if Webber's time is past?
Oh yeah, King's defense on Kobe was the worst defense I have ever seen in my life. Absolutely disgusting.
I will respond to each paragraph.
1. THe Lakers don't need to learn how to close teams out because they will not have the opportunity when it matters. Walton is the only player on the Lakers who has a brain capable of learning anything, you're going to have to wait a while.
2. Webber: 22 points, 16 rebounds 7 assists without going to the line 20 times.
Season Average: 19 pts 10.5 rebs and 5+ assists.
Those are the stats of a player who should clearly hang it up. He is passed his prime (when he was a better player than Kobe ever will be) but he is still a top player in this league.
3. When you are getting fouls called against you for looking at a player, it is kind of hard to play defense. I understand why the refs are trying to protect Kobe (he clearly has some mental issues), but I just don't feel he is worth it. Stern knows that Kobe is unstable, and he does not want another incident similair to what happened in Detroit, so he has to make sure nothing sets him off. If keeping other players from touchng Kobe will make the league a safer place, I suppose I understand the reasoning, I just can't say I agree with it.
Kobe did nothing special in this game, if a player like Richard Jefferson was getting those same calls, he would be putting up those same numbers, that's nothing to be proud of.
Your post might have been the dumbest I have ever read in an NBA thread, and that's quite sad because I have made some pretty retarded posts myself.
Sactown said:
Wow, the nile ain't just a river in Egypt.....
Don't worry, maybe Webber can play with Kobe in a year or two and get a ring on his Coattails, because Webber sure as hell is never going to win on on his own. You talk so much shit about the Kings every year and every year they choke like the weak hearted bitches they are come the postseason. I don't see why this year will be any different. Please reply when the Kings win a game that actually matters.....
JESUS FUCK
I'm losing my mind...
I watched the Cavaliers/Bobcats game a few days ago...I had completely forgotten what a fast break looked like. Watching the Cavs and Bobcats run the court at full speed boggled my mind. Lue's not slow, TMac is far from it, JJ can't be THAT old, and Mo Taylor is faster than your average PF...WHY THE FUCK IS THIS TEAM NOT RUNNING THE COURT?
Fuck Gundy. I've been defending his ass since last year...but this shit has got to end. Gundy Ball is ruining this team. I want Rudy back..
I'm losing my mind...
I watched the Cavaliers/Bobcats game a few days ago...I had completely forgotten what a fast break looked like. Watching the Cavs and Bobcats run the court at full speed boggled my mind. Lue's not slow, TMac is far from it, JJ can't be THAT old, and Mo Taylor is faster than your average PF...WHY THE FUCK IS THIS TEAM NOT RUNNING THE COURT?
Fuck Gundy. I've been defending his ass since last year...but this shit has got to end. Gundy Ball is ruining this team. I want Rudy back..
Ninja Scooter
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Miguel said:
because Yao would slip into a coma.
Jordan had Pippen who could run the offense so if he was getting trapped, he'd lob it to Scottie and vice versa withut the play breaking down. Only Kobe can initiate anything on this team.
Atkins can't do shit but spot up for threes and Lamar is good at creating for himself in the halfcourt sets but not for others (Speaking of Lamar, they need to move him back to SF cos he stinks at the 4 defensively). Tierre is a bad play waiting to happen and he's too little for the dribble-penetration he loves to do. They need to play Luke more and make him a SG or something...
GaimeGuy said:
Kobe is averaging 6 assists a game, genius
Hell, they lost last night because he passed too much in the end IMO...You can't really call Kobe "selfish"-- the guy is averaging nearly 6 assists/game, as Konex pointed out. I'll at least be consistent-- people always used to call Jordan "selfish" despite the fact that, pre-Wizards, he had a career 6 assists/game average, and I always pointed out that that's the highest career assists average for any star shooting guard in history. You can't call a guy who averaged 6 assists/game "selfish". Yeah, Kobe's FG% is atrocious when compared to Jordan's, so you can perhaps level the charge against him a bit more easily than you can Jordan (who had a pre-Washintgton career FG% of 51%)-- so maybe you can say that Kobe should take a shot or two less and average yet another assist per game, but that's nitpicking. The point is that a guy averaging 6 assists cannot rightly be called "selfish", nor can it be said that they "don't pass the ball", unless you're watching every game and noticing specific instances where he should have passed the ball but instead took the shot (which would result in a lower FG% for Kobe), but then again, you can say that for every player.
He does need to bring that FG% up, though.
By the way, I watched some of the game last night and DAMN if he isn't much quicker than he's been in the past. I noted this during the first few games of the season, but last night it was especially apparent. He was splitting the pick&roll continually, and the Kings have no interior defense, which led to a lot of trips to the line (as opposed to blocked shots). He really just looks incredibly fast this year; like I said, I think it's mostly due to his hitting his physical prime.
And say what you will, but I feel I have a right to comment as a Jordan expert: Kobe is using a LOT more "Jordan" footwork than he ever has in the past. In other words, Jordan utilized footwork that I've never seen ANY other player use in a game consistently in order to gain an advantage on a defender. Kobe is using two or three specific moves that he HAD to crib from Jordan, because nobody else ever did them before or since. He did a couple of them last night: one is the "fake spin" when a defender is tight on his back to relieve the pressure and get the guy to back off, creating space. You could particularly see this on the end-of-quarter possessions when Kobe was dribbling near halfcourt with his back towards Christie, and Christie was all up on him; Kobe gave this "fake spin twitch" on a couple of occasions, causing Christie to back off and allowing Kobe to then use his face-up skills to create a shot. Somebody has to know what I'm talking about. Jordan used to do this all the time, both while dribbling (like Kobe did last night) and when standing still with his back to a defender who was being overaggressive to clear space. It's a great move, and Kobe is already reaping the benefits of pilfering it.
The other footwork move Kobe's been using that I've never seen him use in the past (and one that I use myself a lot, probably because I grew up seeing MJ do it) is maneuvering his lead foot (particularly his right foot) to the outside of the defender's stance slowly, as part of his "footwork moves" (all good offensive players usually give several footwork moves-- jab steps, fake spins etc.-- before they make their move); he does this deliberately slowly, just like Jordan used to, and then when he's lulled the defender to sleep and has his foot outside their stance, he just explodes past them off that same lead foot. This is a particularly effective move, and even in the few Laker games I've watched this season, I've seen him use it numerous times to get by his defender. By contrast, in the dozens of Laker games I've watched in past seasons, I've never once seen him utilize these particular footwork moves.
You can all think I'm crazy, but if there's one thing I know, it's how to play ball. And I know exactly what I'm talking about in terms of moves etc.. Kobe has NEVER used these moves prior to this season, and it's really helped him offensively, especially in getting to the basket. I've always said that it was footwork more than anything that set Jordan apart as an offensive player, and Kobe is on his way to using much of the same footwork that Jordan trademarked; when you add that to his increased physical quickness this season, it's a lethal combination. Hey, that's part of the evolution of the game, really-- I'm sure Jordan used the moves of the greats before him (Dr. J etc.) to his own benefit also.
He does need to bring that FG% up, though.
By the way, I watched some of the game last night and DAMN if he isn't much quicker than he's been in the past. I noted this during the first few games of the season, but last night it was especially apparent. He was splitting the pick&roll continually, and the Kings have no interior defense, which led to a lot of trips to the line (as opposed to blocked shots). He really just looks incredibly fast this year; like I said, I think it's mostly due to his hitting his physical prime.
And say what you will, but I feel I have a right to comment as a Jordan expert: Kobe is using a LOT more "Jordan" footwork than he ever has in the past. In other words, Jordan utilized footwork that I've never seen ANY other player use in a game consistently in order to gain an advantage on a defender. Kobe is using two or three specific moves that he HAD to crib from Jordan, because nobody else ever did them before or since. He did a couple of them last night: one is the "fake spin" when a defender is tight on his back to relieve the pressure and get the guy to back off, creating space. You could particularly see this on the end-of-quarter possessions when Kobe was dribbling near halfcourt with his back towards Christie, and Christie was all up on him; Kobe gave this "fake spin twitch" on a couple of occasions, causing Christie to back off and allowing Kobe to then use his face-up skills to create a shot. Somebody has to know what I'm talking about. Jordan used to do this all the time, both while dribbling (like Kobe did last night) and when standing still with his back to a defender who was being overaggressive to clear space. It's a great move, and Kobe is already reaping the benefits of pilfering it.
The other footwork move Kobe's been using that I've never seen him use in the past (and one that I use myself a lot, probably because I grew up seeing MJ do it
) is maneuvering his lead foot (particularly his right foot) to the outside of the defender's stance slowly, as part of his "footwork moves" (all good offensive players usually give several footwork moves-- jab steps, fake spins etc.-- before they make their move); he does this deliberately slowly, just like Jordan used to, and then when he's lulled the defender to sleep and has his foot outside their stance, he just explodes past them off that same lead foot. This is a particularly effective move, and even in the few Laker games I've watched this season, I've seen him use it numerous times to get by his defender. By contrast, in the dozens of Laker games I've watched in past seasons, I've never once seen him utilize these particular footwork moves.You can all think I'm crazy, but if there's one thing I know, it's how to play ball.
And I know exactly what I'm talking about in terms of moves etc.. Kobe has NEVER used these moves prior to this season, and it's really helped him offensively, especially in getting to the basket. I've always said that it was footwork more than anything that set Jordan apart as an offensive player, and Kobe is on his way to using much of the same footwork that Jordan trademarked; when you add that to his increased physical quickness this season, it's a lethal combination. Hey, that's part of the evolution of the game, really-- I'm sure Jordan used the moves of the greats before him (Dr. J etc.) to his own benefit also.Personally, I'm glad Kobe's realized that the refs are not allowing thug defense this year (look at Detroit :lol) so he can drive to the hoop on teams without a dominant post-presence. He was 11-17 last night (desperation shot at the end included). Why rely on the jumpshot when you can blow-by pretty much any defender in the league in 1 on 1 coverage? (and dump it off for the open look if they double)
PS: Here's the FT stats thru last nite:
Player PCT FTM FTA
1. Shaquille O'Neal (Miami Heat) . 437 73 167
2. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) .815 132 162
3. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) .642 88 137
4. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat) .772 105 136
5. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns) .697 92 132
6. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks) .831 103 124
7. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers) .815 88 108
8. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics) .840 89 106
9. Richard Jefferson (New Jersey Nets) .833 85 102
10. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves) .693 70 101
11. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers) .771 74 96
If Shaq and Wade could hit their FTs....
PS: Here's the FT stats thru last nite:
Player PCT FTM FTA
1. Shaquille O'Neal (Miami Heat) . 437 73 167
2. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) .815 132 162
3. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs) .642 88 137
4. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat) .772 105 136
5. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns) .697 92 132
6. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks) .831 103 124
7. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers) .815 88 108
8. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics) .840 89 106
9. Richard Jefferson (New Jersey Nets) .833 85 102
10. Kevin Garnett (Minnesota Timberwolves) .693 70 101
11. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers) .771 74 96
If Shaq and Wade could hit their FTs....
RobotChant
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Loki and Kobe, sitting in a tree ... K-I-S-S-I-N-G. First comes love, then comes...
Loki, you've been quite lax on Kobe this season. The old Loki would've never complemented Kobe on how much faster he looks. He would've said Kobe only looks faster because the refs aren't allowing defenders to body him up and impede his movement as in years past. Then the old Loki would've went on about how much more defenders were able to get away with in Jordan's days and yet Jordan still triumph.
Don't you watch those tapes, anymore?
Loki, you've been quite lax on Kobe this season. The old Loki would've never complemented Kobe on how much faster he looks. He would've said Kobe only looks faster because the refs aren't allowing defenders to body him up and impede his movement as in years past. Then the old Loki would've went on about how much more defenders were able to get away with in Jordan's days and yet Jordan still triumph.
Don't you watch those tapes, anymore?
Speaking of Jordan, I caught an old Bulls/Hawks game on NBA TV the other day and Atlanta was up by a ton in the 4th yet 'Nique (50 pts or so) and Doc Rivers were still in the game pounding the Bulls into submission. Pretty sporting of them :lol
PS: MJ had like 40+ but they had sat him down by this time...
PS: MJ had like 40+ but they had sat him down by this time...
Loki said:You can't really call Kobe "selfish"-- the guy is averaging nearly 6 assists/game, as Konex pointed out. I'll at least be consistent-- people always used to call Jordan "selfish" despite the fact that, pre-Wizards, he had a career 6 assists/game average, and I always pointed out that that's the highest career assists average for any star shooting guard in history. You can't call a guy who averaged 6 assists/game "selfish". Yeah, Kobe's FG% is atrocious when compared to Jordan's, so you can perhaps level the charge against him a bit more easily than you can Jordan (who had a pre-Washintgton career FG% of 51%)-- so maybe you can say that Kobe should take a shot or two less and average yet another assist per game, but that's nitpicking. The point is that a guy averaging 6 assists cannot rightly be called "selfish", nor can it be said that they "don't pass the ball", unless you're watching every game and noticing specific instances where he should have passed the ball but instead took the shot (which would result in a lower FG% for Kobe), but then again, you can say that for every player.
He does need to bring that FG% up, though.
42% and climbing fast!
Lakers have potential this year and if they can stay healthy and get on the same page they could be dangerous. If they can learn to play smarter and not just rely on Kobe for 100% of the offense it will free him up to do even more.
Sorry DM, I think Loki has officially seen the light. The last step is to proclaim that Ben Roethlisberger is the NFL Messiah.
Btw, I would have taken 7-6 at the start of the season. If we can stay above .500 for the first 20 games and hopefully get some contiuity we have a chance to get a good run together.
Cloudy said:
That is a good point, but it's too bad that Kobe's not the type of player that elevates the level of his teammates.
Don't get me wrong, that's not a knock on his play really, but there is something missing from him as a player... players don't seem to play with him. Like other's like to say, maybe his greatest fault is that he's not likable.
RobotChant said:Loki and Kobe, sitting in a tree ... K-I-S-S-I-N-G. First comes love, then comes...
Loki, you've been quite lax on Kobe this season. The old Loki would've never complemented Kobe on how much faster he looks. He would've said Kobe only looks faster because the refs aren't allowing defenders to body him up and impede his movement as in years past. Then the old Loki would've went on about how much more defenders were able to get away with in Jordan's days and yet Jordan still triumph.
Don't you watch those tapes, anymore?
Hah, true.
Seriously, though, people think I was unreasonable in my "criticism" of Kobe in the past, when that wasn't the case. I respect his abilities (I've always said he was the best 2-guard in the league and one of the top 3 or 4 players overall)-- but if someone's gonna compare him to the greatest ever, then I'll have to point out the flaws in that argument. I'm honest, though, and Kobe is just MUCH faster this year than he was in years past (not just compared to last year, where you can say he wasn't ready for the season due to his legal troubles, but even 2-3 years ago). A lot of that has to do with him hitting his physical prime (ages 26-30). Even Jordan, as fast as he was his rookie year (at age 21/22) was nowhere near as explosive off the dribble as he was 4-5 years later, from '88-90 and beyond. It's just a natural process. He's still nowhere near as quick as Jordan was at similar points in their careers (i.e., similar ages), so don't think I'm saying that. And no, I don't watch the tapes anymore, since I don't have the time to.
I did, however, tape all the Jordan games that NBA TV showed on Thanksgiving day into friday, which included a lot of 55+ point games that I have never seen entirety before, so I'll have to sit down and watch them one day. Yeah, I got that one on tape; I figured they'd show the Bulls/Hawks game where MJ had 61, including 23 straight points (an NBA record) for the Bulls at one point, but they never did. That was also the game where Jordan went over 3000 points for the season (1987-88), becoming the only player besides Chamberlain to do so.
These are the games I got on tape (besides the two Bulls/Hawks games):
Bulls/Cavs (1989), MJ's career high 69-point game. Everything was dropping for him; the amazing thing was that they were mostly jump shots-- it was incredible. It was also (along with Shaq's 38 point/28 rebound/15 blocks/8 assist game against NJ in '93) the most incredible statline of the last 15 years: 69 points (25 of 39 from the field, 16/17 at the line), 18 rebounds (8 offensive), 8 assists, 5 steals.
Bulls/Pistons (1988), Jordan goes for 59 at the Silverdome.
Bulls/Magic (1993), Jordan gets 64 against the rookie Shaquille O'Neal in a Bulls loss.
Bulls/Nets (1988), MJ goes for 58
Bulls/Miami (1992 playoffs), MJ scores 56 to close out the series.
The Cleveland game I've seen before, but didn't have it on tape. Who knows when I'll have 10 free hours to watch all of these. :lol
Fifty said:
:lol
bionic said:
Umm, I doubt his FG% climbed almost 2 percentage points in one game.
NBA.com has him shooting .401% through 12 games (excluding last night's game). So even though he shot 11-17 or whatever it was last night, that's not going to raise him .19% at this point in the season. Maybe it'll be 41%....maybe. Did you see the stat they showed during the game yesterday? How Chucky, Lamar, Chris and Caron's FG% have all increased drastically from last season?
Atkins .397 to .438
Butler .380 to .486
Mihm .488 to .560
Odom .430 to .496
But Kobe doesn't elevate the level of his teammates :lol And Kobe can't teach anyone to run an offense...they just need a pure PG...
bionic77 said:
It certainly was not a final judgment.
I tried to say I wasn't trying to knock him as a player... what I was trying to get at is more intangible than field goal percentage numbers from two different teams. But whatever, I wasn't trying to argue, certainly not with you about Kobe.
This post may get lost in all of the Kobe talk, but I believe some attention needs to be drawn towards Shawn Marion whom is playing like one of the top forwards in the league. With Amare and Nash playing so well this season Marion has been getting overshadowed. Here's a look at some of his stats and where they rank in the league.
Shawn Marion
20.3 ppg - 21st
12.3 rpg - 3rd
2.00 bpg - 10th
1.62 spg - 17th
At this point in time I definitely believe he deserves a place on the All-Star team. And if Sactown (who said Phoenix has no front-court presence) is wondering Marion averages more points, block, rebounds, and steals per game than Stojakovic, Webber and Miller.
Shawn Marion
20.3 ppg - 21st
12.3 rpg - 3rd
2.00 bpg - 10th
1.62 spg - 17th
At this point in time I definitely believe he deserves a place on the All-Star team. And if Sactown (who said Phoenix has no front-court presence) is wondering Marion averages more points, block, rebounds, and steals per game than Stojakovic, Webber and Miller.
I'm not arguing, Levious. Just pointing out facts. I do think KB8 is being over-scrutinized though :lol
Averaging 29, 6 and 7 while leading a competitive team in the West when everyone predicted a lottery bound team and him not being shit w/o Shaq is pretty good if you ask me...
PS: Intagibles are subjective. Give me stats and trends that can be analyzed
Averaging 29, 6 and 7 while leading a competitive team in the West when everyone predicted a lottery bound team and him not being shit w/o Shaq is pretty good if you ask me...
PS: Intagibles are subjective. Give me stats and trends that can be analyzed
Shoryuken said:
Wtf? :lol Right now, Phoenix has the best frontcourt in the league, bar none. Stojakovic is a joke this season (and in last year's playoffs)-- his stock has plummeted. He's always been too one-dimensional (not to mention soft) for my tastes. I'm waiting for the 2008 playoffs, when Rick Fox's corpse is going to be exhumed and dusted off to play some physical defense on Peja, shutting him down as usual.
Cloudy said:PS: Intagilbles are subjective. Give me stats and trends
Huh? Paul Tagliabue?
DCX
DCX
Well " elevating " is being misread, yes he IS making them better, i should say play better, but people are looking for increase in talent and skills due to his play. Jordan made Pippen, Grant, BJ, and the rest better in skill due to work ethic, training etc which translated to better play on the court. Kobe isn't making Odom better, Odom is playing just like he always plays...in some ways Butler is worse. These players won't get better because of Kobe, yet they can play better due to Kobe....hard to explain.Cloudy said:That, in addition to his (team-leading) 6 assists per game, isn't "elevating" the players around him?
DCX
Enogh with the Lakers talk
WTF happened with the Raps? Rallying to beat the Spurs then losing from start to finish to the Knicks? They need to trade VC quick and get it over with.
Also, what is going on in Houston? Sure the supporting cast is pretty weak but Tmac and Yao alone should be good for a few wins. They are looking at 6-9 and I don't think they can handle Denver tonight
WTF happened with the Raps? Rallying to beat the Spurs then losing from start to finish to the Knicks? They need to trade VC quick and get it over with.
Also, what is going on in Houston? Sure the supporting cast is pretty weak but Tmac and Yao alone should be good for a few wins. They are looking at 6-9 and I don't think they can handle Denver tonight
Also, what is ging on in Houston? Sure the supporting cast is pretty weak but Tmac and Yao alone should be good for a few wins. They are looking at 6-9 and I don't think they can handle Denver tonight
T-Mac and Yao are all well and good, but you need a coach who knows how to use 2 talented players. As you can see with Francis this season, Gundy = retarded when it comes to using great players.
You know who knows how to use talent? Hmm
"You rang?"
"Got any room on the roster?"
"Fuck"
I get what DCX is saying...the difference between making the players around him better and making the players around him play better. These guys aren't good players (well, except for Odom, who doesn't even mesh well with Kobe), they are scrubs who are just getting a bunch of open shots and converting a modest % of them.
However, there is no way you can say anything with regards to Kobe about that for a few years...it's only now his team. Also, I think that's a ridiculously high standard. I mean, can you really say Pippen and Grant became the players they became because of Jordan? Grant, especially, always had a notorious work ethic and didn't even like Jordan, so can you really say Jordan made him who he was? And an increase in talent? There's no way you can attribute that to Jordan.
However, there is no way you can say anything with regards to Kobe about that for a few years...it's only now his team. Also, I think that's a ridiculously high standard. I mean, can you really say Pippen and Grant became the players they became because of Jordan? Grant, especially, always had a notorious work ethic and didn't even like Jordan, so can you really say Jordan made him who he was? And an increase in talent? There's no way you can attribute that to Jordan.
Kobe is selfish. In person, on court. Don't give me stats. Stats ARE selfish. His assists are just another stat to add to his resume. I don't exactly see other players blossoming around Kobe, I just see them getting open shots. The only player I see really upgrading himself is Mihm and that's because he goes after the rebounds for all the bad shots Kobe takes. A player who elevates his teammates gets them the ball in situations in which they are good. Kobe's teammates all must be in the same situation of either outside waiting for an open three or rushing the boards on missed shots. That's not everybody's game, certainly not Odom's. Kobe doesnt' create, he abondons his shot at the last moment. There is no point in getting a better point guard like Konex suggests, because he isn't going to handle the ball. All you need is a shooter and defender at the point.
Yah, I agree. Lamar is best when he dominates the ball. They have to work on getting more plays for him. Caron and Kobe are a really nice combo though...
Their entire gameplan this season (besides fastbreak off every other rebound) has been to let Kobe draw double teams then swing the ball thus creating a higher % shot for the shooter. And Mihm DOES NOT get the majority of his pts of boards. Hell, he doesn't even lead the team in boards (Lamar and Kobe are #1 and #2) and he's the starting center :lol. Kobe sets him up for easy scores with several nice passes to start each game (They ALWAYS start with Kobe to Mihm. Just watch the next Lakers game). You might hate Kobe for whatever reason but cmon, he's making Mihm a fucking star :lol
They need a pg cos it's too much for one guy to score a lot, direct the offense and PLAY SOME DAMN DEFENSE on opposing PGs :lol Notice how Kobe had to guard Bibby in the 4th last night? That's ridiculous
They also need a REAL 4-guy and hopefully Grant doesn't have to play C when he gets off the IL...I have an idea for how the lakers can get more production out of Odom. Keep running the offense through Kobe but let Odom move the ball more. Since California legalized medicinal marijuana (at least in some counties) I think they could get a prescription for him, and every dime he gets, they give him a dime bag. He'd be the first player to ever average 20+ per game.
All Hail C-Webb
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Shoryuken said:
I didn't say that Phoenix had no frontcourt presence, I said that they didn't have a post up presence. Marion is an incredible rebounder for his size (and in the offseason I was hoping that Peja would be traded for Marion), but I don't beleive he and Amare could defend the top Power Forwards/Centers if they posted them up, and I don't believe they have established post up games either. Phoenix is a great team to watch, and I am saying that they are similair to the Kings 4 years ago, that's not a bad place to be.
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