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November NBA Season Thread - It's finally time
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Loki said:Umm, I doubt his FG% climbed almost 2 percentage points in one game.NBA.com has him shooting .401% through 12 games (excluding last night's game). So even though he shot 11-17 or whatever it was last night, that's not going to raise him .19% at this point in the season. Maybe it'll be 41%....maybe.
2004-2005 13 13 42.6 8.6-20.7 .416 1.6-4.7 .344 10.2-12.5 .815 1.15 1.3 3.9 2.9 1.3 5.6 6.9 6.0 29.0
Do you know what 41.6% rounds to?
Kobe0wn3d!!
DMczaf said:Lebron is shooting 51%, and that's not including his 7/10 shooting so far tonight
MVP! MVP! MVP!
True, he is a legit MVP for the first 10 game of the season. :rolleyes
You know who isn't a MVP? In fact no one even talks about this guy anymore. Here is a hint: 6-8.
DMczaf said:
Career Killer got to him
"It feels great playing without chains!"
Hey, he got exactly what he wanted. He wanted to play with a big man and a coach who is a defensive genius*.
That extension doesn't taste so good now does it Tracy? Gundy blamed Francis for everything last year, who is his goat going to be this year? Tracy v. Gundy? Who wins?
DMczaf said:No! He wanted Yao! Gundy is the third wheel in the relationship, and T-Mac is not into the freaky threeway stuff. Gundy, you're fired!
Remember Bionic, this is the NBA. Players > Coaches
True. Gundy's book on McGrady will be an interesting read.
bionic77 said:True. Gundy's book on McGrady will be an interesting read.
WTF would he have to say about T-Mac after 6 months together?
"The week after trading for Tracy, I noticed he didnt wash his hands after going to the bathroom before practice. That right there told me what kind of person he is."
bionic77 said:Do you know what 41.6% rounds to?
Kobe0wn3d!!
I stand corrected.
Even though it's not .420%, I still didn't think that an 11 for 17 shooting night would have raised his percentage even that much (.015%) after 13 games, given the small volume of shots made (11) and attempted (17) as compared to the total for the season.Ok, here are Kobe, Dwayne Wade, and Lebron's stats thus far this season:
Kobe:
Points: 29.0
FG%: .416%
Rebounds: 6.9
Assists: 6.0
Steals: 1.15
Blocks: 1.31
Turnovers: 3.92
Lebron:
Points: 26.7
FG%: .509%
Rebounds: 7.9
Assists: 6.2
Steals: 2.25
Blocks: 1.25
Turnovers: 3.33
Wade:
Points: 25.2
FG%: .527%
Rebounds: 4.2
Assists: 7.6
Steals: 2.00
Blocks: 1.42
Turnovers: 3.75
Question: If these stats remain consistent for the rest of the season, who should get the MVP nod? Now, obviously, these numbers staying roughly as-is is a big assumption, particularly for some categories. In my personal opinion:
- Kobe's FG% will increase to between 44-46% for the season
- Wade and Kobe will both cut their TO's to about 2.5-3 per game
- Lebron's scoring average will come down 2-3 points, to around 24 ppg
- Wade's scoring average will decrease to about 23-24 ppg
- Lebron and Wade's FG% will decrease to around 48-49% for the season
- Kobe's steals/game will increase to around 1.6-1.8 per game
- Lebron's steals/game will decrease to around 2 per game
- Wade's rebounds will increase to about 5 per game
- Kobe, Wade, and Lebron's blocks/game will decrease to around 1-1.1 per game for the season.
Given the above rampant speculation, who would you give your MVP to? And do you see any trends in the #'s occurring that are different from those I stated? Obviously, this is ignoring Duncan and Garnett, who are the frontrunners for the MVP. Just figured this would be a fun thought experiment. Oh yeah, let's also assume that all their teams finished with roughly equal records, with the biggest discrepancy being +/- 5 games.
Kobe:
Points: 29.0
FG%: .416%
Rebounds: 6.9
Assists: 6.0
Steals: 1.15
Blocks: 1.31
Turnovers: 3.92
Lebron:
Points: 26.7
FG%: .509%
Rebounds: 7.9
Assists: 6.2
Steals: 2.25
Blocks: 1.25
Turnovers: 3.33
Wade:
Points: 25.2
FG%: .527%
Rebounds: 4.2
Assists: 7.6
Steals: 2.00
Blocks: 1.42
Turnovers: 3.75
Question: If these stats remain consistent for the rest of the season, who should get the MVP nod?
Now, obviously, these numbers staying roughly as-is is a big assumption, particularly for some categories. In my personal opinion:- Kobe's FG% will increase to between 44-46% for the season
- Wade and Kobe will both cut their TO's to about 2.5-3 per game
- Lebron's scoring average will come down 2-3 points, to around 24 ppg
- Wade's scoring average will decrease to about 23-24 ppg
- Lebron and Wade's FG% will decrease to around 48-49% for the season
- Kobe's steals/game will increase to around 1.6-1.8 per game
- Lebron's steals/game will decrease to around 2 per game
- Wade's rebounds will increase to about 5 per game
- Kobe, Wade, and Lebron's blocks/game will decrease to around 1-1.1 per game for the season.
Given the above rampant speculation, who would you give your MVP to? And do you see any trends in the #'s occurring that are different from those I stated? Obviously, this is ignoring Duncan and Garnett, who are the frontrunners for the MVP. Just figured this would be a fun thought experiment.
Oh yeah, let's also assume that all their teams finished with roughly equal records, with the biggest discrepancy being +/- 5 games.BOBCATS WIN 3RD OF SEASON
Okafor: 15 pts/10 rebs <-- Fourth straight double-double!
BKnight: 12 pts/11 asts/5 rebs
JHart: 12 pts/7 asts/3 stls
edit: Let's do some RoY frontrunner comparisons:
Points: 12.2
FG%: .459%
Rebounds: 9.9
Assists: 1.0
Steals: 0.82
Blocks: 1.5
Turnovers: 2.0
Points: 9.1
FG%: .521%
Rebounds: 10.7
Assists: 1.3
Steals: 0.64
Blocks: 1.9
Turnovers: 2.5
Seems to me like Howard's got the upperhand at the moment, but this hasn't taken into account tonight's games (Okafor: 15 pts on .538%/10 rebs/2 asts/2 stls/2 blks/3 tos and Howard: 12 pts on .800%/10 rebs/3 asts/1 stl/2 blks/2 tos). It's looking like it's going to be a close race...
Okafor: 15 pts/10 rebs <-- Fourth straight double-double!
BKnight: 12 pts/11 asts/5 rebs
JHart: 12 pts/7 asts/3 stls
edit: Let's do some RoY frontrunner comparisons:
Points: 12.2
FG%: .459%
Rebounds: 9.9
Assists: 1.0
Steals: 0.82
Blocks: 1.5
Turnovers: 2.0
Points: 9.1
FG%: .521%
Rebounds: 10.7
Assists: 1.3
Steals: 0.64
Blocks: 1.9
Turnovers: 2.5
Seems to me like Howard's got the upperhand at the moment, but this hasn't taken into account tonight's games (Okafor: 15 pts on .538%/10 rebs/2 asts/2 stls/2 blks/3 tos and Howard: 12 pts on .800%/10 rebs/3 asts/1 stl/2 blks/2 tos). It's looking like it's going to be a close race...
Loki: Of those three, Kobe is doing the most with a really crappy team. However, Lebron's team will be pretty good (the guys he's playing with - Gooden, Z, and McGinnis- are pretty decent) but he'll (rightly so) get the credit for their success, so he has a real chance to be voted MVP. Wade's team will also be good, but the media will give Shaq (who has been totally underwhelming this year) a lot of undeserved credit for that so he doesn't have a chance.
EDIT- Also, if you compare Lebron and Kobe, Lebron is the better all around player, but Kobe is still the better scorer at this point. No one else saw this game, but in the Cavs win against Boston, the Celtics were defending Lebron like most teams are defending Kobe now, ie a double team anytime he gets the ball within 25 feet of the basket. Lebron played a really good game but was somewhat contained (20 pts) on a good shooting night.
EDIT- Also, if you compare Lebron and Kobe, Lebron is the better all around player, but Kobe is still the better scorer at this point. No one else saw this game, but in the Cavs win against Boston, the Celtics were defending Lebron like most teams are defending Kobe now, ie a double team anytime he gets the ball within 25 feet of the basket. Lebron played a really good game but was somewhat contained (20 pts) on a good shooting night.
Cloudy said:The media hates Kobe. He would have to do something truly spectacular to get MVP. It's LeBron's to lose
PS: Kobe is at 1.15 stls/gm. espn.com stats are updated nightly
So you're saying that based on the stats, you'd pick Kobe? What's your opinion irrespective of "media bias"?
Re: the steals: Oh, NBA.com's player files aren't updated from yesterday yet, though the league leaders for each category are. Since the last entry on the "steals/game" chart was 1.18 per game, I only knew that he had to be below that. I'll edit it into my post.
Loki said:So you're saying that based on the stats, you'd pick Kobe? What's your opinion irrespective of "media bias"?
Re: the steals: Oh, NBA.com's player files aren't updated from yesterday yet, though the league leaders for each category are. Since the last entry on the "steals/game" chart was 1.18 per game, I only knew that he had to be below that. I'll edit it into my post.
If Kobe can win 45+ games then I think he needs to be seriously considered for MVP.
Edit: WTF happened to Utah? Houston losing to Denver.....
BatiGOOOOOOL
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I'm pleased to announce that tonight, the Spurs have renamed Utah to FHUTA.
Could the Spurs be any more balanced? The rest of the league should just get out of the way because the silver and black train is coming to reclaim what's rightfully ours.
Could the Spurs be any more balanced? The rest of the league should just get out of the way because the silver and black train is coming to reclaim what's rightfully ours.
BatiGOOOOOOL
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Hahaha, thanks Miguel. That'll go well with the rest of the gnomes I got when the Duncan/Robinson shaving gel commercial came out years ago.
Anyway, here's a clip of a sweet alley-oop from tonight's game. From Brent Barry to Devin Brown.
http://www.briancook.net/videos/112704_Brown_alleyoop.mpg
Anyway, here's a clip of a sweet alley-oop from tonight's game. From Brent Barry to Devin Brown.
http://www.briancook.net/videos/112704_Brown_alleyoop.mpg
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