Eclectic Sk3ptic
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We didn't touch the voltages. Power limit is set to 125%. I am reading on overclock.net that there's a beta bios that increases the limit to 150%. I wondering if anyone here has tried it yet.
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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti launch/review day - 2017/03/09
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We didn't touch the voltages. Power limit is set to 125%. I am reading on overclock.net that there's a beta bios that increases the limit to 150%. I wondering if anyone here has tried it yet.
Pagusas
Elden Member
You need to in increase the voltage if you want to get anywhere. Unlock voltage controls and put it to 100% along with the increased power limit.
Eclectic Sk3ptic
Member
Sounds good. IIRC, the Aorus has 12+2 power phases, etc., which should definitely help. Tweaking the voltage on my FE doesn't do it any good, so I treated his card the same. My mistake!
I appreciate the input! =)
Self_Destructive
Member
I got +160core and +350mem. I never really messed around with it too much to be honest. No extra voltage either. Just right after I broke 10K
What system you get that score on? Trying to get a sense of m own pc. Got 9636 w/ i7 3770k
edit: wait, i'm stupid. It's listed right there.
Jin
Member
Gamers Nexus posted a review of MSI Gaming X.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxMuQu-m1iE&t=680s
TLDR - excellent card. What's interesting is that OCing the card even further than the already stock OC gives you higher frametimes.
It looks like these AIB cards is already pushing the OC headroom as much as they can on Pascal and it got me thinking of lowering the OC on my card as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxMuQu-m1iE&t=680s
TLDR - excellent card. What's interesting is that OCing the card even further than the already stock OC gives you higher frametimes.
It looks like these AIB cards is already pushing the OC headroom as much as they can on Pascal and it got me thinking of lowering the OC on my card as well.
UK GAF: CCL has some Aorus Xtreme's instock, just grabbed one https://www.cclonline.com/product/2...xtreme-Edition-11GB-OC-Graphics-Card/VGA3774/
Gone already. Damn.
Wonder if this means other stores in the UK or elsewhere in Europe might be getting them soon too?
Pagusas
Elden Member
Gamers Nexus posted a review of MSI Gaming X.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxMuQu-m1iE&t=680s
TLDR - excellent card. What's interesting is that OCing the card even further than the already stock OC gives you higher frametimes.
It looks like these AIB cards is already pushing the OC headroom as much as they can on Pascal and it got me thinking of lowering the OC on my card as well.
You know I've noticed this as well, especially with the memory overclocking.
People posting Superposition benchmarks, just know that using the 4K optimized setting on any resolution will give you much higher scores than using the Extreme setting.
For example my 980 Ti gets something like 2302 at 1440p Extreme, with a miserable 17 fps average framerate. Set the shaders to 4K Optimized and that jumps to about 50-60 fps in the same resolution. At 4K I get about 50 fps with the 4K Optimized setting.
For example my 980 Ti gets something like 2302 at 1440p Extreme, with a miserable 17 fps average framerate. Set the shaders to 4K Optimized and that jumps to about 50-60 fps in the same resolution. At 4K I get about 50 fps with the 4K Optimized setting.
Yes, if you want to really peg the GPU at 100%, extreme will do it. At QHD extreme I score 3425 and the GPU core holds 2075 almost constantly.
You can't submit to leaderboards with that test though, so I expect that's why people are using 4K optimised.
Yeah, I just wanted to point out that even though 4K optimized seems like it would be a very high quality setting, it's really not and most high end GPUs can run it well.
Agreed. Even the 8K optimised test doesn't crush the GPU as well as extreme runs.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Im very suprised with the score fluctuations we are seeing in the test, even the optimized one, given that this test is suppose to be purely GPU from my understanding. I'm scoring a 9550 on a small OC, others are hitting low 9000's then we have some hitting 10k. a 10% difference is pretty huge when we are all using the same card.
dr_rus
Member
Zotac GeForce GTX 1080 Ti im Test: AMP! Extreme für 1.949 MHz in jedem Spiel ab Werk
Highest sustained boost clocks so far of all custom 1080 Tis.
Highest sustained boost clocks so far of all custom 1080 Tis.
Felix Lighter
Member
A bunch of comparison numbers tempt me to overclock beyond the manufacture overclock but I know my core won't go much higher, maybe 50Mhz, the memory could potentially go a bit more but in the end real world performance between 2000Mhz and 2050Mhz isn't worth the time to make sure all is stable.
You must be on a custom water loop.
My out-of-the-box score was 9436. It took some serious juice to get near Remij's score for me.
This was with +70mv, +185 Mhz Core (2012-2075 Mhz) and +491 Mhz Memory (5994 Mhz / 11988 effective). This is an EVGA FE card and the CPU is at 4400 Mhz.
You must be on a custom water loop.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
Do they think it's because it's a great custom card or because they got lucky on the silicon lottery?
Felix Lighter
Member
My sustained boost clock is 1987Mhz out of the box on an Aorus Xtreme. The cooler seems very good but they also got a good sample.
But it's almost as loud as the FE cards on load so running at slightly higher speed comes at a huge noise. The ASUS Strix runs almost as fast at a much lower volume and interestingly lower temps as well. If the Strix can be BIOS-modded for higher power limit it should perform just as well.
Felix Lighter
Member
I just saw that. Yeah, that seems excessively loud for a custom cooler. Much louder than the other cards in their test except, of course the FE.
dr_rus
Member
Judging from their noise measurements this is mostly because AMP Extreme is running at a much higher air flow than the rest of 1080Tis.
So far I'd say that Gaming X, Strix OC and Aorus are all pretty close to each other in key characteristics so it's mostly a question of what vendor you prefer which is a good situation for all of us.
Yep. I'm still undecided on whether I'll even get one but Strix OC is certainly one of possible options for me. Will wait for Vega and see how things will be there.
Gamers Nexus posted a review of MSI Gaming X.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxMuQu-m1iE&t=680s
TLDR - excellent card. What's interesting is that OCing the card even further than the already stock OC gives you higher frametimes.
It looks like these AIB cards is already pushing the OC headroom as much as they can on Pascal and it got me thinking of lowering the OC on my card as well.
That sounds great for me. If it comes OC'd to the most stable max out of the box, I am perfectly okay with not having to fiddle with anything. Being the newb I am, haha.
Pagusas
Elden Member
It's 100% chip dependent, every single chip will behave slightly differently, the reviewed chip just happen to already be at its max.
What this should bring attention to though is this: just because your benchmark score increased does not mean your gpu's overclocking is stable or is actually giving you a better experience. I know I can kick my core up to +150 and memory to +500 and see big benchmark gains, with no artifacts, but my frame times go crazy.
So people in here who are just running benchmarks and going off them for testing stability, make sure your also comparing your actual frame times. You might not be as stable as you think.
Edit: I wonder if the lack of artifacts but crazy frame times means there is some sort of error correction going on? Anyone have any insight into this?
This is the first GPU I've ever had perform this way. Most would perform show artifacts when they hit there limits, these seem to develop frame timing issues way before artifacting.
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
Strange. What temps are you seeing? Are you on stock voltage?
Pagusas
Elden Member
When my media center exhaust fans are on, max temp is 73c at 60% fan, Voltage at +100%, Power at 115%.
When the media center exhaust fans are off, max temps hit 78c at 66% fan speeds (so I tend to leave my media centers fans off, lol)
By media center I mean this is an HTPC and sits inside a TV stand that has built in venting systems to keep components inside cool.
Its not just me who sees this, that review saw the exact same behavior, and I bet most users here would see the same if they examined their frame times.
Eclectic Sk3ptic
Member
Sounds good. IIRC, the Aorus has 12+2 power phases, etc., which should definitely help. Tweaking the voltage on my FE doesn't do it any good, so I treated his card the same. My mistake!
I appreciate the input! =)
Update: My dad's Aorus won't take any extra volts without crashing seconds into any benchmarks and/or games. I've tried both the stock, and F4 Beta bios. It looks like a max boost of 1,949Mhz is really all it can do, so I'll adjust the fan curve to make sure it spends as much time as possible at that speed.
Thanks for linking that. 1,949Mhz max boost clock doesn't seem out of the ordinary for some of these cards. I feel much better now.
Gamers Nexus posted a review of MSI Gaming X.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxMuQu-m1iE&t=680s
TLDR - excellent card. What's interesting is that OCing the card even further than the already stock OC gives you higher frametimes.
It looks like these AIB cards is already pushing the OC headroom as much as they can on Pascal and it got me thinking of lowering the OC on my card as well.
$1 says this won't happen on a Hybrid or custom loop. Certainly an improvement over reference though. Pretty much max out of the box, which is great for the vast majority of people.
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
Just a heads up: I got very different results OC'ing with EVGA Precision and Afterburner.
Yesterday I ran EVGA Precision with +130 and +495. Firestrike completed with a graphics score of 28,431 (http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12306030).
Today I tried to run it at the same clocks and Firestrike wouldn't even load. In fact, with stock clocks, even if I simply upped power limit to 120%, there were immediate artifacts during the loading screen. Da fuq.
Install Afterburner and run +130 and +500. Not only did Firestrike finish with no artifacts, I got a graphics score of 29,400 (http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12331678). Almost 1000-point swing just switching applications.
In summation: goodbye EVGA Precision.
This card is going on water so I'm encouraged by what I'm seeing on air.
Yesterday I ran EVGA Precision with +130 and +495. Firestrike completed with a graphics score of 28,431 (http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12306030).
Today I tried to run it at the same clocks and Firestrike wouldn't even load. In fact, with stock clocks, even if I simply upped power limit to 120%, there were immediate artifacts during the loading screen. Da fuq.
Install Afterburner and run +130 and +500. Not only did Firestrike finish with no artifacts, I got a graphics score of 29,400 (http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12331678). Almost 1000-point swing just switching applications.
In summation: goodbye EVGA Precision.
This card is going on water so I'm encouraged by what I'm seeing on air.
longdi
Banned
I experienced this with my FE card too. Put 100% voltage and reduce the +core clocks, is more stable than pushing core clocks.
Dont worry, 100% voltage will only go as high as Nvidia lock down 1.093v, so i won't burn my GPU.
So guys try to increase voltage before core clocks and let Boost3.0 take over
icecold1983
Member
According to nvidia using the max allowable voltage reduces gpu lifespan to an avg of 1 year
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
+150 and +500 was highest I could go on Firestrike it looks like. Graphics score 29,442 (http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12332101)
Stats from that run. Temp max here is from earlier run with quiet fan curve. This topped out at 67 with fans 100% at 65:
SP +170 and +350
SP +170 and +495
Have not played with voltage yet.
Stats from that run. Temp max here is from earlier run with quiet fan curve. This topped out at 67 with fans 100% at 65:
SP +170 and +350
SP +170 and +495
Have not played with voltage yet.
A source for this would be awesome.
Pagusas
Elden Member
One more reason to buy from a company that gives you a long warrenty like MSI or evga.
And isn't that in reference to the stock pcb? All the custom pcb variations up the quality of the voltage and power systems, likely to support the demands of overclocking wirhout getting tons of 1-2 year warrenty claims.
Eclectic Sk3ptic
Member
Sounds about right. 1y/8760h at full capacity. So, if you're running benchmarks/playing games at 100% GPU utilization with an extra 100% overvoltage allowance for 24 per day, the average lifespan of the chip will be about one year. Bring it down to 8h per day and you arrive at the 3-year warranty offered by most board partners these days.
longdi
Banned
Hmm, is he referring to hardware mod which will bypass Nvidia driver limit?
I back off to +25% now, which gives me a nice solid 1.062v on load clocks, where 0% will drop to 1.05v while +100% is 1.093v. All three voltages are within Pascal defined range afaik.
Oh well, if mine dies within 18months, i wont mind getting it replaced with Volta 1180.
icecold1983
Member
No idea how/if non reference boards change it
Hmm, is he referring to hardware mod which will bypass Nvidia driver limit?
I back off to +25% now, which gives me a nice solid 1.062v on load clocks, where 0% will drop to 1.05v while +100% is 1.093v. All three voltages are within Pascal defined range afaik.
Oh well, if mine dies within 18months, i wont mind getting it replaced with Volta 1180.
No hardware mod, just the standard voltage slider you can unlock in oc software
Pagusas
Elden Member
Oh well, if mine dies within 18months, i wont mind getting it replaced with Volta 1180.
Lol same exact thought here. "Oh no.. it broke? So sad, guess I'll just have to get a 1180 ti. Sad panda.."
Who keeps a high end GPU in their system for more than a year?
KINGofCRA5H
Member
Can't wait to see some bechmarks/impressions of EVGAs FTW3 1080ti
If the slider truly allowed "1 year" then we'd see a lot more dead GPUs. They've built fudge factor in there for sure.
They are talking about overvolting the GPU die, so the power delivery shouldn't matter. I mean it's great that it's cleaner power or whatever, but you are still pumping excess voltage to the die.
They are talking about overvolting the GPU die, so the power delivery shouldn't matter. I mean it's great that it's cleaner power or whatever, but you are still pumping excess voltage to the die.
Eclectic Sk3ptic
Member
He should've clarified it's one year in terms of hours of use at full load/max allowed voltage. An idling chip at a lower power state won't suffer the same effects. As I mentioned before, that type of usage for 8h every day will net you about 3 years. In any case, you're right about them allowing for all sorts of variances when arriving at the "1 year" average. You're also correct to say that more efficient power delivery has a negligible effect on accelerated degradation due to electromigration, etc.
I'd wager most enthusiasts (who will tend to overvolt their GPUs) will have upgraded to a new card long before degradation becomes a problem for them. Those buying >1-year-old cards secondhand had better be careful, though.
Anyone else having issues with Doom on their 1080ti? As soon as I start the game it immediately crashes. I even tried to fully reinstall it and still nothing. All other games still seem to be working (upgraded from a 980 ti)
It crashes upon entering the game menu, a white error box allowing you to file a crash report comes up (but you can't actually get to it) and that's it.
EDIT: I am hearing the Windows 10 Creator's Update may have broken the game? Anyone else experience this issue? Know a fix? I tried to do a clean install with the video driver with no luck.
It crashes upon entering the game menu, a white error box allowing you to file a crash report comes up (but you can't actually get to it) and that's it.
EDIT: I am hearing the Windows 10 Creator's Update may have broken the game? Anyone else experience this issue? Know a fix? I tried to do a clean install with the video driver with no luck.
Pagusas
Elden Member
its broken alot of other games, I'd either roll back or wait for nvidia to issue new drivers.