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[ManaByte]

Hayden and Lucas interview each other (using fan questions):
http://movies.channel.aol.com/feature/starwars/unscripted.adp

Lucas explains young Anakin in ROTJ in the interview.

 

[mattx5]

Nice to see all the ROTJ praise.

The only part of the film that I genuinely dislike is the dance number. Another small thing which bothers me is Boba Fett's death (Ugh, I wish the prequels wouldn't have given him such a grand character arc, only to be met with a laughable death).

The Jabba sequences are a bit slow, and the Ewoks are a bit cutesy, but I don't really think these elements detract from the film all that much.

Obviously ESB had the better pacing and acting, but nothing can rival the climax of ROTJ, the epic Father vs Son duel is quite possibly one of the finest moments to ever be put on celluloid. Every time I see Luke ignite his saber in rage with the Dark Side Beckons cue resonating in the background, tears form in my eyes.

 

[ManaByte]

:lol :lol

He basically tells the haters to "fuck off" in regards to TPM. :lol

 

[galeninjapan]

Nice to see all the ROTJ praise.

The only part of the film that I genuinely dislike is the dance number.

And that wasnt even in the original!

 

[ManaByte]

And that wasnt even in the original!

Uh, yes it was only not as big. So much so that they translated "Lapti Nek" into english ("Working Out") for a MTV music video that hit right with the Flashdance craze and it was about as bad as the Holiday Special.

Jedi sucks.

 

[galeninjapan]

Uh, yes it was only not as big. So much so that they translated "Lapti Nek" into english ("Working Out") for a MTV music video that hit right with the Flashdance craze and it was about as bad as the Holiday Special.

Jedi sucks.

The review in that link seems pretty tounge and cheek.

Do you thik Episode 1 is better?

 

[AniHawk]

Saw ESB last night for the first time in a long time. Caught a lot of stuff I'd forgotten or didn't pick up before.

I think if ROTS has the potential to simultaneously enhance and surpass Empire, but I guess I'll see on Thursday...

 

[jett]

Return of the Jedi is a great movie. People that have the audacity to think that Episode 1/2 are better are just wrong.

 

[Boogie9IGN]

Saw ESB last night for the first time in a long time. Caught a lot of stuff I'd forgotten or didn't pick up before.

Did you see Cloud City's ice cream man?

 

[galeninjapan]

Did you see Cloud City's ice cream man?

:lol He was selling Death sticks!!

 

[ShadowRed]

I noticed something in Return of the Jedi when I watched it a couple weeks ago. In one of the shots with the Emperor and Vadar there are some people standing around dressed almost exactly like Nimodians but without the makeup masks. I was wondering if Lucas intended for the Nimodians to be modeled after them.

 

[galeninjapan]

I noticed something in Return of the Jedi when I watched it a couple weeks ago. In one of the shots with the Emperor and Vadar there are some people standing around dressed almost exactly like Nimodians but without the makeup masks. I was wondering if Lucas intended for the Nimodians to be modeled after them.

Good catch. Those 2 guys do look similar but they are not nimodians, rather humans that are force sensative and probably jack off the emporer from time to time.

 

[mattx5]

I noticed something in Return of the Jedi when I watched it a couple weeks ago. In one of the shots with the Emperor and Vadar there are some people standing around dressed almost exactly like Nimodians but without the makeup masks. I was wondering if Lucas intended for the Nimodians to be modeled after them.

I believe that they're the Emperor's advisors. Mana could probably answer you properly though....

 

[ShadowRed]

I believe that they're the Emperor's advisors. Mana could probably answer you properly though....

Again they are dressed I would say almost exactly like the Nimodians. They even have black make up around their eyes. They bear a striking resembalence to the Nimodians with the exception of them not having the masks. I'm just say could Luca have intended for the Nimodians to have been that race.

 

[ManaByte]

I believe that they're the Emperor's advisors. Mana could probably answer you properly though....

Yeah, the bit about them being force sensitive Emperoer servicers is just fan fiction EU bullshit.

If they were force sensitive, the Emperor would have them killed.

Again they are dressed I would say almost exactly like the Nimodians. They even have black make up around their eyes. They bear a striking resembalence to the Nimodians with the exception of them not having the masks. I'm just say could Luca have intended for the Nimodians to have been that race.

 

[galeninjapan]

Yeah, the bit about them being force sensitive Emperoer servicers is just fan fiction EU bullshit.

If they were force sensitive, the Emperor would have them killed.

I hate to out nerd you but...

I do believe that says Force sensitive. By the way there are many people in the galaxy that are force sensitive that the Emperor did nothing about. He only destroyed the Jedi not everyone who could use the force.

 

[ManaByte]

I hate to out nerd you but...

I do believe that says Force sensitive. By the way there are many people in the galaxy that are force sensitive that the Emperor did nothing about. He only destroyed the Jedi not everyone who could use the force.

OMFG. Do you even have any idea what is EU and what is canon? No you don't. The COLLECTIBLE CARD GAME text is non-canon EU bullshit just like the Mara Jade card. That was shit made up by Decipher for their card game and they did that so often it's one of the reasons why WOTC now has rights to the card game because they do what LFL tells them to and they don't use the game as a tool for their own fan fiction fantasies.

The official LFL story for Janus Greejatus was that he, and the other guy, were Imperial dignitaries fiercely loyal to Palpatine and would betray anyone who questioned the Emperor's motives. Palpatine kept these guys with him a lot, which is why they came with him to see the completion of the Death Star II.

 

[galeninjapan]

That doesnt mean they cant be force sensitive. The emperor did not destroy everyone who could use the force most of the books have small characters who can do things like lift spoons with the force. The emperor only destroyed the Jedi Knights.

one of the reasons why WOTC now has rights to the card game because they do what LFL tells them to and they don't use the game as a tool for their own fan fiction fantasies.

No WOTC makes the crappy new star wars game because its owned by the company that makes the star wars action figures.

Where does it say that all the text on the cards isnt Star Wars?

 

[ManaByte]

That doesnt mean they cant be force sensitive. The emperor did not destroy everyone who could use the force most of the books have small characters who can do things like lift spoons with the force. The emperor only destroyed the Jedi Knights.

THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.



THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.



THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.

 

[galeninjapan]

THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.



THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.



THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.

Even the big books like the Thrawn and the Jedi Order? WTF that is just lame and stupid to have all that stuff written and not be Star Wars.

I would also like to know who said that stuff, cause if its Lucas, fuck that what does he know about Star Wars.

 

[ManaByte]

Even the big books like the Thrawn and the Jedi Order? WTF that is just lame and stupid to have all that stuff written and not be Star Wars.

Only the movies, radio dramas, published screenplays, and novelisations of the screenplays are canon. Everything else is officially licensed by LFL but not canon.

Labyrinth of Evil (novel) and Clone Wars season 3 both cover the same time period and events, but both are vastly different. Out of the two, Clone Wars is closer to canon than the book is, but neither are primary canon.

I would also like to know who said that stuff, cause if its Lucas, fuck that what does he know about Star Wars.

Ok, now you're just trolling. And yes, it is Lucasfilm's stand that only the movies are canon.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

I agree with Mana on this. Even the stuff "in between" chapters (Shadows of the Empire, Labyrinth of Evil, even the Clone Wars cartoon) are not canonical. Lucas pretty much goes "okay," on any topic that isn't on his banned list.

Hell the novelization of ROTJ had Owen being Obi-Wan's brother or something.

 

[galeninjapan]

Fuck all that shit. Lucas is a douche. Its clear that the fans know more about the Star Wars universe and can write it better than he can.

 

[ManaByte]

I agree with Mana on this. Even the stuff "in between" chapters (Shadows of the Empire, Labyrinth of Evil, even the Clone Wars cartoon) are not canonical. Lucas pretty much goes "okay," on any topic that isn't on his banned list.

Hell the novelization of ROTJ had Owen being Obi-Wan's brother or something.

Right now, with ROTS done, the only thing on the banned list is the Whills and anything about Yoda's race.

The link to the interview I posted has Lucas talking about Yoda's race and he wants to keep Yoda a mysterious and magical character.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

Fuck all that shit. Lucas is a douche.

Uh huh. Fucker should've never even given us Star Wars in the first place.

 

[DJ_Tet]

THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.



THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.



THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.

This somewhat answers my question, but I'll ask it anyway since someone else referenced it.

About Boba Fett, is the book Shadows of the Empire canon SW? It's been awhile since I played it and read the book, but there were a lot of Fett adventures there that tied Empire into Return if I remember correctly.

Also, doesn't Fett survive the Sarlaac Pit, becoming the first living creature to escape? I believe that was in the Thrawn trilogy? It's been a LONG time since I've read any of the SW books. If those books aren't canon, does that mean Fett really died in the Sarlaac pit?

I've never really had a problem with Fett dying that way in ROTJ. I always viewed him as a lucky character (i.e. getting Solo for Jabba when Vader would have just as soon killed him testing the carbonite). Fett lucked his way into getting his prize, and Solo (still mostly blind) lucked his way into smacking him. The sheer randomness of the hit messed Fett up, and he hadn't been prepared to recover quickly enough. The pit was such that, if you fell in you weren't getting out. I always felt that Fett was just unlucky to fall in. I could see why some think it's a weak death, I just never saw it that way.

 

[ManaByte]

This somewhat answers my question, but I'll ask it anyway since someone else referenced it.

About Boba Fett, is the book Shadows of the Empire canon SW? It's been awhile since I played it and read the book, but there were a lot of Fett adventures there that tied Empire into Return if I remember correctly.

Also, doesn't Fett survive the Sarlaac Pit, becoming the first living creature to escape? I believe that was in the Thrawn trilogy? It's been a LONG time since I've read any of the SW books. If those books aren't canon, does that mean Fett really died in the Sarlaac pit?

I've never really had a problem with Fett dying that way in ROTJ. I always viewed him as a lucky character (i.e. getting Solo for Jabba when Vader would have just as soon killed him testing the carbonite). Fett lucked his way into getting his prize, and Solo (still mostly blind) lucked his way into smacking him. The sheer randomness of the hit messed Fett up, and he hadn't been prepared to recover quickly enough. The pit was such that, if you fell in you weren't getting out. I always felt that Fett was just unlucky to fall in. I could see why some think it's a weak death, I just never saw it that way.

Shadows is not canon. It's very EU. However Dash Rendar IS canon (well, his ship is) because the Outrider appears in ANH SE.

Boba Fett escaped the Sarlaac and reappeared in the Dark Empire comics - also not canon.

 

[DJ_Tet]

Shadows is not canon. It's very EU. However Dash Rendar IS canon (well, his ship is) because the Outrider appears in ANH SE.

Boba Fett escaped the Sarlaac and reappeared in the Dark Empire comics - also not canon.

Woah, the Outrider is in ANH? That's pretty cool, I'll have to keep my eyes out for it. Im pretty sure I never read those comics, so either someone told me about Boba Fett or they referenced his escape in a book somewhere.


BTW, I saw the Clone Wars. They were really cool and I can't wait till Vol 2 hits DVD. The style of the animation really lended itself well to the action. The first Vol kinda dragged with repetition in some spots and I was craving more dialog, but remembering they were shown in 3 min bursts explained the pacing. All in all, I really like the transformation of Ani in the series.

Spoiler

I haven't spoiled myself on Ep III, but if Ani is as dark in the beginning of the film as he is at the end of the CW, the audience might be a little surprised

 

[ToyMachine228]

Been playing Episode III on DS to review it...Maybe I'll go see the movie now. But I've never been a Star Wars fan.

 

[SteveMeister]

THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.



THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.



THE BOOKS ARE NON-CANON LICESNED FAN FICTION.

Actually I would phrase that differently:

ONLY THE MOVIES ARE CANON.

 

[Spike]

I think Lucas considers the Clone Wars as canon. Well, until the new 3D animation Clone Wars series comes out, at least.

 

[J2 Cool]

THAT'S what it is. Something just didn't sit right with me about Yoda in the OT as I said earlier. It wasn't that he was a crazy old jedi though. I just watched that Lucas/Hayden interview, where they talked about Yoda. He was inbetween Obi-Wan and himself in the prequel trilogy, now that I think about it. I mean, he never answered to anyone really, he was too wise. He'd agree, contradict others, and listen thoughtfully. But nobody was his equal. Lucas mentioned he originally thought of Yoda, to replace Obi-Wan. He didn't really cast the impression of the wisest of all jedi's as he does in episode I and II. Instead he was a more stubborn Obi-wan imo. You even see Obi-Wan correct him, change his mind, and ultimately seem superior even, though Yoda still had much to teach. I think he was developed in this trilogy, and completely became independent of his original intentions of Obi-Wan's replacement, to become another one of Star Wars great characters. Yoda is still great in the original trilogy, I just imagine his teachings and prescence to be a bit different than it was, considering how he's changed and developed.

 

[ManaByte]

The interview is awesome.

"Some fans may not have liked it...fuck them...it's the movie I wanted to make."

 

[borghe]

Can you honestly, with a straight face tell me ROTJ is worse than Episode 1 and Episode 2? Even with Jar Jar? Worse than whiney vader? Worse than metacholians? Worse than Pod Racing?

no. I already said that for the most part Episode II is worse than ROTJ. But yes, Episode I is in general (IMHO of course) better than ROTJ. The lightsaber battle at the end is currently the greatest saber battle of the saga, the entire freaking intro until they get down to the planet is about as star wars as it can get. the scene inside the skywalkers' hut before anakin decides to pod race is awesome. every scene with qui-gon in it is awesome, and despite some bad pacing, the story is extremely strong as a character piece. So yes, TPM is better than ROTJ. While the last 30ish minutes of ROTJ is among the highlights of the trilogy, the first hour and a half is a fucking chore to make it through. I hated everything about the jabba scene. all of dagobah could be shortened by half, endor could have been gotten rid of completely (lucas could have delayed the death star attack in another way), eh.. it was just not a great movie. Once the ships exit hyperspace, aside from the minimal endor stuff the movie is amazing till the the credits. but the lows of TPM are better than the lows of ROTJ.. and the acting in TPM is overally better than ROTJ, thanks to Liam and a better performance by McDiramid(sp?).

Amen brother. It seems that alot of Star Wars fans here really like ROTJ. Where did all the ROTJ hate start?

for me the hate started umm.. in the early 90's.. being a kid when jedi premiered (8) I really dug the hell out of it. loved the ewoks, loved all of the silly stuff, just thought it was a fun movie.. then sometime in the early 90's I just started watching it and it all seemed stupid and boring. when I first got the definitive collection on laserdisc, I found myself pretty much always skipping to the last disc of jedi. the rest didn't really matter to me. then with the SE's I only saw Jedi once in the theater (saw ANH 4 times and ESB 5 times) and hated the beginning even more with the stupid new sarlacc and stupid new jabba dance number. by this point I pretty much said fuck the movie and with the SE's on the laserdisc, I just chapter skipped to the last few chapters on the last disc.

So yes, TPM is better than Jedi.. AOTC isn't, but IMHO it isn't much worse than Jedi.

 

[mrkgoo]

A bit off topic....but as a big fan of the Timothy Zahn novels (which, to me, single-handedly sparked off the whole EU stuff because of its popularity - screw Mind's Eye), and to a lesser extent his follow-up duology (Hand of thrawn), I'm curious about his new one, "Survivor's quest" or some such.

I don't follow the EU that much, but as a TZ book, it sounds neat...anyone here know anything about it?

 

[Deleted member 1159]

I'm with borghe, but I think the highs in RotJ were just as high as the lows were low. In the end it all evened out, IMO, but yeah, the first hour or so is quite the chore to watch.

The thing is, ANH has the same sort of problem, but there is ample plot development that takes place during the "introduction" phase. RotJ takes the same approach, takes all this time to introduce Jabba's palace and all these interesting creatures, but in the long run it's pointless. They get Han out, and we never see any of that again. It's nothing terribly interesting or new either, since we're already versed somewhat in what the Star Wars universe is like. It's just a general waste of time.

 

[ManaByte]

This was posted on the View Askew forums:
http://www.liquidgeneration.com/quiz/starwars_quiz.asp

 

[robertsan21]

 

[Tabris]

 

[Rocket Punch]

 

[J2 Cool]

 

[Lakitu]

 

[J2 Cool]

Come on, you're frickin Yoda! Cheer up. So what if you're short. You can kick anyone's ass, and you don't even have to get up, just use the force. I'm Qui Gon! All I do is find someone with an actual destiny to be proud of, screw up the future of the galaxy, and get my ass handed to me by Maul. At least I can act though and I rock before I catch a lightsaber to the ole abdomen.

 

[Docpan]

 

[mrkgoo]

Me = jealous. I got Queen amidala.

 

[trilobyte]

 

[Matrix]

 

[Tim the Wiz]

But yes, Episode I is in general (IMHO of course) better than ROTJ.

IMHO

But hey it is your opinion. All I'll say is that the dialogue, pacing and story of the film absolutely sucked. (not to mention a certain race from Naboo) The only saving grace for the film was Qui-Gon and the great lightsabre battle at the end. (the Pod Race was admittedly cool as well.)

Return of the Jedi, while sporting the Ewoks, at least had reasonable dialogue and good pacing. But for the most part it was a fun movie (besides the last 30 min with Darth Vader, Luke and the Emperor), and at being a fun movie it succeeded extremely well.

So, overall I beg to differ.

Right now, this is how the Star Wars Saga stacks up for me:

1 Empire Strikes Back
2 A New Hope
3 Return of the Jedi
4 The Phantom Menace
5 Attack of the Clones
? Revenge of the Sith

 

[pollo]

teh gay :lol

 

[Kintaro]

I agree with Mana on this. Even the stuff "in between" chapters (Shadows of the Empire, Labyrinth of Evil, even the Clone Wars cartoon) are not canonical. Lucas pretty much goes "okay," on any topic that isn't on his banned list.

Hell the novelization of ROTJ had Owen being Obi-Wan's brother or something.

The Clone Wars Cartoon is not canon? Uh... what about some of the games? i.e. Republic Commando with events leading to Episode III? Come on now. You got shit like Mara Jade on their official website as well. One would think if things like this were NOT canon, they wouldn't appear on the official site's database. Somethings, I can understand, but commenting on Clone Wars toon not being Canon? Can't agree with ya there.