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OFFICIAL Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith thread
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Prince of Space
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That Brothers spot was pretty good. The Celebration one was meh, especially with the narrator trying to speed-read the last lines.
And yeah, Tragedy 2's the best, IMO.
And yeah, Tragedy 2's the best, IMO.
Escape Goat
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After watching Episode II again, Padme gets all thats coming to her. That'll teach her to coddle a man who confessed to slaughtering a village of unarmed men, women and children.
Boogie9IGN
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Teh Hamburglar said:
The men were armed!
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Escape Goat
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They probably had weapons but were they killed in cold blood or not?
Boogie9IGN
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Teh Hamburglar said:
You could say that. Or you could say they tried to shoot Anakin when they saw him. The women and children were cold blood without a doubt though, they don't carry weapons or anything
Teh Hamburglar said:
Well, it's not so cold blood when you consider they captured and tortured Shmi for months.
Unless, that was some other band of Sand people, and the ones Anakin found simply discovered Shmi, dying of thirst in the desert, delirious and wounded. They took her back, fed her, and annointed her sores, tying her up to prevent her from hurting herself (in her delirium). Then Anakin comes along and slaughters them.... like animals.
Haha, now that would be cold-blood!
DrForester
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ManaByte said:
Escape Goat
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mrkgoo said:
Well, it would be like walking into a military base and wiping out the civilian housing after taking out the military personnel. The women and children didn't deserve to die for the sins of the men, but we just dont know enough about their culture to say. At least I don't. Then going home and having your wife hold and comfort you in the garage.
galeninjapan
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I kinda of hope episode 3 isnt good so I do not have to remember any of the prequels.
Teh Hamburglar said:
Yeah, I meant the men. The idea is that Anakin let his anger get the better of him and extended to the women and children. Curious though, there was a line in the DVD version, "I'm a Jedi, I should know better..." - I swear that wasn't in the theatrical version...am I imagining things?
Sorry, Mana, I've been in crazy Star Wars mode for a bit now, as the release looms ever closer. Strangely, as big a fan as I am, i still haven't got my tickets yet...The only thing that has captured my attention away from SW is the looming E3 ... what a week it will be next week.
vatstep
This poster pulses with an appeal so broad the typical restraints of our societies fall by the wayside.
Great. My girlfriend finally got around to ordering tickets for us and our friends for next week (she has a credit card and I don't, it's easier that way), and of course, she got them for the non-digital screen. Damn it, I should have told her first.
galeninjapan
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silenttwn said:
WTF dude? Yea the ewoks werent as cool as Wookies but the lightsber fight in Jedi is the best out of any of them. And explain how 3, 4 and 5 is a trilogy with a narrative arc? Fuck it, Jedi is the best!
i'd agree that there are some scenes with pacing issues but they're nowhere near as bad or as plentiful as in episodes 1 and 2. it's mostly the scenes
i guess parts of the end might've been a little rushed, but there's really just a lot to cram in.
it's funny that ebert and roeper single out padme...i actually felt she was the weakest of the principal characters. hayden christiansen's performance convinced me that he was a good guy who was just confused and trying to figure out a way to solve his own problems while saving the galaxy.
after the opening rescue up until the battle at kashyyyk.
it's funny that ebert and roeper single out padme...i actually felt she was the weakest of the principal characters. hayden christiansen's performance convinced me that he was a good guy who was just confused and trying to figure out a way to solve his own problems while saving the galaxy.
umm.. seriously, you just voided EVERYTHING you have ever negatively said about Star Wars if you honestly feel ROTJ is the best. And that is fact, not opinion.galeninjapan said:
ROTJ is a horrible fucking movie until all of the capital ships come out of hyperspace.. before that every single scene is crap.. seriously. Even after the ships arrive at the death star, only two thirds of the movie is any good (space battle and throne room). ROTJ as a movie is by far the worst of the movies. even worse than the admittedly flawed prequels (so far). the presence of two great areas of a 2 hour movie is like saying Gigli was a good movie whenever Ben Affleck and J Lo weren't on the screen.
Though those saying II/IV/V will be the new trilogy are just silly.. there is absolutely no narrative arc there. IV, V, and VI are a complete narrative arc, and I, II, and III are one long character piece told as a prologue. The best way to experience the movies are to watch I, II, and III as the prologue, and then go to IV, V, and VI as the story. You could of course just watch III-VI, but then anakin's transformation is too sudden and the emperor's motives are nowhere near as nefarious.
Ultimately, the entire saga could have been shown as three 3 hour movies. You would lose a bunch of action, but also a lot of unnecessary exposition. I also think if Lucas wanted to focus on the kind and gentle boy aspect, he should have spent longer developing child Ani before he hopped into adult Ani. About the only thing of value to come out of Episode I was Qui-Gonn, anakin being assigned to obi-wan, and palpatine's first moves to create the empire.. hardly 2.33 hours worth of movie for just that.
anyway, done rambling, but yeah, ROTJ is by far the worst of all six movies. Yes it has the (soon to be) second coolest space battle, and yes it has the (soon to be) third best lightsaber duel, but every other part of the movie is pretty much shit.
oh, except for the special edition ending. that is also cool.
radioheadrule83
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I'm with him on that one. Empire is unfairly foisted on the SW fanbase as "the best one". Dissent is met with anger / ridicule, as it's the most often used means to slag off George Lucas. God forbid we don't agree.
Here's my two cents:
Empire is of course brilliant. In the context of an initial viewing, watching the original trilogy for the first time, it's mind blowing. The centerpiece is of course the twist. The locales are great, the story enjoyable, the lightsabre fight fantastic -- and all heroics are met with failure as the title implies it will. It ends on such a downer and raises the stakes for the third movie. I don't think for a minute that this is down to Kershner necessarily. I think it's purely down to the world and story George Lucas has created, Brackett and Kasdan's screenplay interpretation, and the great actors that are on board. Some of this is a constant throughout the old trilogy - and it really irritates me as a fan to see people try and make Empire this superior stand-alone thing of greatness, that the other two films don't quite relate to. I think that's nonsense. It's one part of a whole to me.
And that whole climaxes in ROTJ. Luke's journey is complete - he's older, wiser and more confident. All the blows struck to Luke and friends are met like-for-like from beginning to end by cool action sequences. We say goodbye to old friends, hello to some new ones, and the final attack is launched. I see you're a fan of the last third of the movie yourself, but I think the whole movie flies by pretty quickly. It's more snappy than Episode I that's for sure. You don't really get a sense for Luke dealing with his relationship to Vader in ESB - for that you need to watch ROTJ too. And he has to be the only person in the galaxy confident of his redemption... the audience, thanks in part to the surprise of the last movie, hopefully has no idea of whether Luke's feelings on that matter are accurate. Certainly, Yoda and Obi Wan, the supposed Sages of the series feel he should be destroyed. Speaking of which, Yoda accepting that twilight is upon him, and in his dying moments having to explain witholding the truth from Luke is a really quotable, well written Star Wars 'moment'. The movie is full of them... a lot of them taking place in the Emperor's throne room admittedly.
Just to digress a little: I was actually a little disappointed that the Empire hasn't made an appearance in any of the Special Edition revisions of A New Hope. He's my favourite character. That said, it was more functional from an OT '77 perspective, in that it keeps Vader as the core villain and leaves you guessing as to what or whom the Emperor is. But as his presence is felt in 5 of the 6 movies in the post-prequel world. I do think it's better that the OT story doesn't change. I think new generations of fans should watch the movies in the same order that we did. Each OT film is good in a stand-alone viewing... they provide one overbearing story of struggle against the Empire in three snappy adventure movies. The prequels are deliberate back story to those movies, while they do each have their own stories to tell, there's a lot of exposition that ranges from setting up things that are exclusive to the prequels, to enhancing what we know of the OT.
The Emperor is particularly good in ROTJ. He is the puppet master. He reveals his incredible foresight, and mastery in manipulation for the first time in the Saga in this very movie. His arrogance is wonderful. Vader's apparent subserviant nature keeps you guessing as to the fate of both himself and Luke. The best moment of all though, for me, is when Vader discovers the knowledge of Leia and proclaims Obi-Wan's failure complete. John Williams really saved his eerie best for last -- it was the one fight in the whole trilogy I wanted to be longer, because it was that good. From that huge moment to the pyre and celebration at the end, the film is gripping IMO.
I just think ROTJ has a great share of fantastic SW moments. It caps off the series nigh on perfectly. I don't see how anyone else thinking as such voids their opinion.
Here's my two cents:
Empire is of course brilliant. In the context of an initial viewing, watching the original trilogy for the first time, it's mind blowing. The centerpiece is of course the twist. The locales are great, the story enjoyable, the lightsabre fight fantastic -- and all heroics are met with failure as the title implies it will. It ends on such a downer and raises the stakes for the third movie. I don't think for a minute that this is down to Kershner necessarily. I think it's purely down to the world and story George Lucas has created, Brackett and Kasdan's screenplay interpretation, and the great actors that are on board. Some of this is a constant throughout the old trilogy - and it really irritates me as a fan to see people try and make Empire this superior stand-alone thing of greatness, that the other two films don't quite relate to. I think that's nonsense. It's one part of a whole to me.
And that whole climaxes in ROTJ. Luke's journey is complete - he's older, wiser and more confident. All the blows struck to Luke and friends are met like-for-like from beginning to end by cool action sequences. We say goodbye to old friends, hello to some new ones, and the final attack is launched. I see you're a fan of the last third of the movie yourself, but I think the whole movie flies by pretty quickly. It's more snappy than Episode I that's for sure. You don't really get a sense for Luke dealing with his relationship to Vader in ESB - for that you need to watch ROTJ too. And he has to be the only person in the galaxy confident of his redemption... the audience, thanks in part to the surprise of the last movie, hopefully has no idea of whether Luke's feelings on that matter are accurate. Certainly, Yoda and Obi Wan, the supposed Sages of the series feel he should be destroyed. Speaking of which, Yoda accepting that twilight is upon him, and in his dying moments having to explain witholding the truth from Luke is a really quotable, well written Star Wars 'moment'. The movie is full of them... a lot of them taking place in the Emperor's throne room admittedly.
Just to digress a little: I was actually a little disappointed that the Empire hasn't made an appearance in any of the Special Edition revisions of A New Hope. He's my favourite character. That said, it was more functional from an OT '77 perspective, in that it keeps Vader as the core villain and leaves you guessing as to what or whom the Emperor is. But as his presence is felt in 5 of the 6 movies in the post-prequel world. I do think it's better that the OT story doesn't change. I think new generations of fans should watch the movies in the same order that we did. Each OT film is good in a stand-alone viewing... they provide one overbearing story of struggle against the Empire in three snappy adventure movies. The prequels are deliberate back story to those movies, while they do each have their own stories to tell, there's a lot of exposition that ranges from setting up things that are exclusive to the prequels, to enhancing what we know of the OT.
The Emperor is particularly good in ROTJ. He is the puppet master. He reveals his incredible foresight, and mastery in manipulation for the first time in the Saga in this very movie. His arrogance is wonderful. Vader's apparent subserviant nature keeps you guessing as to the fate of both himself and Luke. The best moment of all though, for me, is when Vader discovers the knowledge of Leia and proclaims Obi-Wan's failure complete. John Williams really saved his eerie best for last -- it was the one fight in the whole trilogy I wanted to be longer, because it was that good. From that huge moment to the pyre and celebration at the end, the film is gripping IMO.
I just think ROTJ has a great share of fantastic SW moments. It caps off the series nigh on perfectly. I don't see how anyone else thinking as such voids their opinion.
DrForester
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My biggest problem with RotJ was the whole start fo the movie with Jaba was just WAY TO LONG
Boogie9IGN
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So uh, what's the difference between non digital and digital screen? I got tickets for non digital I believe. I also think theres only one theater showing it in digital screens and I dont know where it is. If it's worth it, I'll go to it next time or something
the problem is that, much like the prequels, while ROTJ DOES hold the emotional and action packed climax of, arguably, the entire saga, you have to go through like an hour and 30 minutes to get to there. To get to that amazing conclusion though (and make no mistake, I do think it is an amazing inclusion, even more so in the SE with the removal of yub nub) you have to get through Jabba which is just silly mostly, endor which is weaker than weak, and all of the boring emperor stuff on the death star which is never really that good until Luke actually comes onboard.
Of course this is all just opinion, but with the almost perfect pacing, writing and dialogue of Empire (for the most part), and the emotional high of the introductions and climax of ANH, and the just bad first three quarters of ROTJ, I can't see how someone could consider it the best, unless they were willing to forgive the entire first three quarters in trade off of the incredible conclusion. For me this is why TPM has always ranked above ROTJ. the highs of TPM aren't as good as the highs of ROTJ, but the lows are nowhere near as low. AOTC on the other hand flip flops, with it mostly being at the end.. just not a great movie.. expecting ROTS to end up somewhere in the top 3, likely in the second two somewhere.
Of course this is all just opinion, but with the almost perfect pacing, writing and dialogue of Empire (for the most part), and the emotional high of the introductions and climax of ANH, and the just bad first three quarters of ROTJ, I can't see how someone could consider it the best, unless they were willing to forgive the entire first three quarters in trade off of the incredible conclusion. For me this is why TPM has always ranked above ROTJ. the highs of TPM aren't as good as the highs of ROTJ, but the lows are nowhere near as low. AOTC on the other hand flip flops, with it mostly being at the end.. just not a great movie.. expecting ROTS to end up somewhere in the top 3, likely in the second two somewhere.
I actually prefer ROTJ over ESB. I liked seeing how Luke had matured into a very powerful Jedi, I liked the Rancor, I lOVED the speederbike chase sequence, I LOVED the space battle, and the last 45 minutes is the best SW footage of any of the films. The Emperor is just magnificent and the newer celebration sequence is so much more beatiful than "yub yub."
The only thing about ROTJ that I don't like is the Jabba musical number. I felt it was silly and unecessary. Besides that, I loved the movie.
The only thing about ROTJ that I don't like is the Jabba musical number. I felt it was silly and unecessary. Besides that, I loved the movie.
Great Wasabi Man
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ManaByte said:
lol thats as bad as the Scooby Doo 2 review form the Times that bashed it (not that it's a good movie anyway) for being too much like a satruday morning cartoon...scooby doo like a satruday morning cartoon.....no way what has the world come to?
I personally liked Jedi, the ewoks were tolerable in that haha sense...like wicket pointing his "stick" at leias croch area saying "nub nub". As for Ebertand Ropers review I don't really agree that the ENTIRE series had hammy Diologue of course it's star wars not shakesphere
Boogie9IGN
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evil ways said:
So what exactly is in this
Dagobah
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ROTJ was the only one I really experienced in the theatre--saw it when I was 5. I watched the first two movies ad nauseum on Betamax taped off of HBO. Jedi was my absolute favorite when I was 5, but that probably is a function of seeing it in the theatre. That was a great night.
You can take issue with the Ewoks and with the Lando-Alien co-pilot scenes. And as Leonard Maltin says, there are some "lazy performances." Everything else--the escape from Jabba's clutches, the space battle, the Vader-Luke duel, the redeeming of Vader--is pitch-perfect and I don't think ROTJ should be shunted off as the red-headed step child of the OT.
You can take issue with the Ewoks and with the Lando-Alien co-pilot scenes. And as Leonard Maltin says, there are some "lazy performances." Everything else--the escape from Jabba's clutches, the space battle, the Vader-Luke duel, the redeeming of Vader--is pitch-perfect and I don't think ROTJ should be shunted off as the red-headed step child of the OT.
galeninjapan
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borghe said:
Ebert & Robert just gave it two fairly strong thumbs up. Their criticisms laid within some of the flat dialog, but they mention it's such a small part of the movie as to not bring it down as a whole. And, obviously, some of the potential suspense is reduced by us already knowing the ultimate ending. Otherwise it was praise.
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