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OFFICIAL Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith thread
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I just got my tickets tonight.
That new trailer is awesome
One small detail I've noticed in the newer clips that I haven't seen discussed is the reveal of Darth Vader. He no longer has his arms held in place over his head. I always thought that shot made Vader's arms look short and it kind of looked stupid. I'm glad the arms are gone, the focus of that shot should be the mask, not two midget arms clamped to the table.
I assume they just removed them digitally. Good call, whomever did that.
That new trailer is awesome
One small detail I've noticed in the newer clips that I haven't seen discussed is the reveal of Darth Vader. He no longer has his arms held in place over his head. I always thought that shot made Vader's arms look short and it kind of looked stupid. I'm glad the arms are gone, the focus of that shot should be the mask, not two midget arms clamped to the table.
I assume they just removed them digitally. Good call, whomever did that.
ManaByte
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DJ_Tet said:
They reshot it as doing it digitally would be way more complex and cost a lot more, and take more time than they had. It's not just the bed rising, they would also have to fix the arms in the next shot, so they just reshot the entire rising and what happens after that. This was in April on an ILM stage.
ManaByte said:
I see. Was the public outcry that bad? I figure if I was a director, I would have had the arms placed like that for a reason and wouldn't have changed it. If Lucas thought it looked stupid, why film it like that in the first place?
Seems like the type of decision you would make during shooting rather than reshooting it later. Obviously they thought it was fine at the time.
edit- yeah that makes sense. I didn't think about the next shot etc.
There's some clunkiness hinted at in the various trailers and TV spots. But I gotta say I'm starting to get the feeling this movie might not completely suck. In fact, it might be pretty good. At least I'm hoping.
It can't be worse than Attack of the Clones, at any rate. That one is BY FAR the worst Star Wars movie.
It can't be worse than Attack of the Clones, at any rate. That one is BY FAR the worst Star Wars movie.
Mifune said:
there were a few areas where the pacing seemed jumpy (roughly between the 20 & 40 minute mark), but it wasn't too bad. i'm pretty sure most people (not just star wars fans) will like it...at least i think so. i'm hoping that being able to see it early isn't clouding my judgement too much.
Mifune said:
This is in your opinion and I don't agree. I don't think AOTC is too bad, yes the love angle was a bit gut-wrenching and many of the technical aspects like acting and pacing left much to be desired, but besides that I can't so what is really SO bad about that movie. IMO the worst one is TPM, but I don't think it is really THAT bad. Sure it had plenty of shit (as all Star Wars have bar the first two) like Jar Jar in particular but it also had its redeeming factors such as the pod race and the final duel with Maul.
I was never obsessed with the series growing up so that's maybe why I can offer a fresh perspective but the way I see it is that a lot of the back story that was told in Episodes I and II simply needed to be told; we needed to see young Anakin’s back story on Tatooine, his relationship with Padme etc; I mean if you want to flush out the back story and do a proper job of it in the lead up to the OT then these aspects of the story needed to be told, plain and simple. They may not be particularly exciting or Star Wars-ish, and the execution wasn't the best on more then one occasion (acting, dialogue, pacing, irrelevant filler etc) but these are aspects that have hopefully laid the foundation for a kick-arse third movie which leads into the OT.
As much as I wanted to see the star destroyers, tie fighters, the rebels and the whole star wars universe as it was when we left off in ROTJ, it was simply not realistic at all to expect this in the PT, this is an entirely different time and universe (before the rise of the empire - so obviously things will look and be different, they should be) and thus the reason why things seem may so unfamiliar relative to the OT. Sure people simply want the Star Wars as they remembered it, but in the overall context of the six films you will see the old republic with its own unique (un-Star Wars-ish) style and atmosphere become completely corrupted and supplanted by the empire. Whinge about the little things all you want (Midichlorians, Jar Jar etc), but I think Lucas hasn't done too bad of an overall job here to be honest. In the first two episodes of the PT he has laid the groundwork for the entire saga and I think ROTS will piece things together nicely.
Prince of Space
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What's the final runtime for the movie?
These early reviews do not sway my cautiously pessimistic approach to the movie. I just have to look at the first two eps, which Tomatometered at 62 and 65% (not bad, generally speaking) to know it could be a trap.
I'm still hoping it wows me, but as always, I think my vastly lowered expectations will only help there...
I'm still hoping it wows me, but as always, I think my vastly lowered expectations will only help there...
xabre said:
Eh, on repeated viewings, AOTC is easily the least rewatchable imo. I liked it more than TPM the first time I seen it. Getting caught up in some great action scenes. But realizing there's no real sacrifices or history changing moments, outside of the clone wars starting, the whole movie really wears thin. The love story was supposed to be the heart of that movie, and it's just so rough to watch. I did like a lot about it, but it wasn't tied together well because of the poorly done love story. The Obi-wan/Jango fight, Obi Wan/Jango chase scene, the awe of seeing jedi fight a war the first time, Yoda the first time.. Individually well done but they only saved the movie the first time. I found it hard to watch on repeated viewings.
TPM meanwhile, the heart of it was the beginning of a destiny. I didn't hate Anakin as much as most did in this one. I thought he was fairly decent. Seeing his first coming into contact with jedi and the force is done fine. Jar Jar admittedly was shit, and really didn't need the screen time. But Ewan Mcreggor and Liam Neeson are pretty good lead actors, even if they acted a bit stiff. The Darth Maul duel was terrific too, and really has signifigance.
But yeah, for the most part, this whole prequel trilogy has always boiled down to episode III, and so this is great news to hear this kind of feedback. This thread is killing me though, damn them for starting the tv spots this early!
radioheadrule83
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That scene passes quite quickly... I don't think it was that bad.
And I didn't have a problem with the fireside scene either. A bit of a tiny issue with delivery and one line containing the words "I wish I could just wish..." etc, but I really think it's nitpicking. I actually liked "if you're suffering as much as I am, please tell me". I think that will become a good foreshadowing of his anger seeping into the relationship. My favourite scene in the movie is probably Obi Wan meeting Jango on Kamino (my favourite locale of the prequels thus far)
The only thing I don't like in AOTC is the droid factory scene. It's totally unnecessary. It was fun on the first viewing but I skip it every time on DVD. I'm sure they had fun making it though.
Likewise in TPM I don't think so much Tatooine was necessary. In the special editions, New Hope didn't need the jabba reinsertion (I'd of preferred Luke seeing Biggs), some new CG background elements weren't needed (subtle stuff like the little frog outside Jabba's palace, and virtually any ship-related / space-scene enhancement were COOL). I actually don't give a shit about the things some fans care about: Greedo shooting first, Sebastian Shaw's ghost et al. Trivial to most, as the story remains the same to the casual viewer and those just watching for the fun... although I see why these things annoy people who are, well, involved to the point of SW being the center of their universe.
And I didn't have a problem with the fireside scene either. A bit of a tiny issue with delivery and one line containing the words "I wish I could just wish..." etc, but I really think it's nitpicking. I actually liked "if you're suffering as much as I am, please tell me". I think that will become a good foreshadowing of his anger seeping into the relationship. My favourite scene in the movie is probably Obi Wan meeting Jango on Kamino (my favourite locale of the prequels thus far)
The only thing I don't like in AOTC is the droid factory scene. It's totally unnecessary. It was fun on the first viewing but I skip it every time on DVD. I'm sure they had fun making it though.
Likewise in TPM I don't think so much Tatooine was necessary. In the special editions, New Hope didn't need the jabba reinsertion (I'd of preferred Luke seeing Biggs), some new CG background elements weren't needed (subtle stuff like the little frog outside Jabba's palace, and virtually any ship-related / space-scene enhancement were COOL). I actually don't give a shit about the things some fans care about: Greedo shooting first, Sebastian Shaw's ghost et al. Trivial to most, as the story remains the same to the casual viewer and those just watching for the fun... although I see why these things annoy people who are, well, involved to the point of SW being the center of their universe.
IAmtheFMan
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ManaByte said:
It's interesting to note that with EP:1 and 2, at their respective time, they were at about the same proportion that they ended up as i.e. in the mid-60's.
If Sith pulls off a mid to high 80's average, that's a great sign.
ManaByte
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New behind the scenes featurettes and clips from iFilm (the Costumes featurette even shows a clip from a scene cut out):
Costumes
Lightsabers
Linking to Episode IV
Darth Vader
Clips:
Opera House Seduction
I don't trust him.
Costumes
Lightsabers
Linking to Episode IV
Darth Vader
Clips:
Opera House Seduction
I don't trust him.
Pedigree Chum
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I'm not much of Star Was fan (Indy guy here), but I must say the trailers for ROTS is looks mighty fine. There's some very cool footage in them. Could it be, could I actually go watch a Star Wars movie in the theaters? I just might with this one...
Remember the lamented Anakin/Obi-Wan saber duel clip from Access Hollywood (or whatever show it was)? Extended version here. Seems like they're looking for openings during the twirl action, or it's a precursor to the "struggle."
Bauer Action Hour
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I'm looking forward to seeing EpIII, which sounds kind of funny for me to say considering the fact that I never saw any of SW movies before 6 months ago. KotOR's great storyline motivated me to check out the films.
My mini reviews...
The most interesting aspect of Star Wars for me isn't Vader, but Palpatine. I find it stupid that Vader is always thought of as the ultimate movie bad guy when he's nothing more than Palpatine's puppet (the end of ROTJ notwithstanding). Palpatine's the real power player.
The OT
I don't have a lot to say here, since I'm a bit hazy on the details (I only watched each movie once and it was 6 months ago), except that they're very good movies. Nothing mind-blowingly great like the hype could lead one to believe, but good, fun movies. The storylines and action were nice and the acting wasn't bad, especially from Harrison Ford (the best performer IMO). There were some corny/stupid moments, but nothing too bad. ESB is the best of the 3, ROTJ the worst w/ the lame ass Ewoks.
Episodes I-II
I saw these recently, which is why I'll go into more detail. The Anakin in TPM didn't bother me at all, but there's no denying that Christensen was terrible during the love/flirting scenes in AotC. Portman didn't bother me and I liked Nesson, McGregor and the Palpatine actor. Jar Jar Binks sucked, but he didn't completely annoy me.
I thought the stories were told well, since they're all about the way Palpatine manipulated his way into power for me. The lack of action in TPM didn't bother me since I liked the political focus. The Maul fight didn't impress me and I don't get people's excitement over it. AotC needed the cool, extended clones/robots fight to save it from being below average. I like TPH better than AotC.
Overall, the OT is kind of overrated and the prequels somewhat underrated. I don't have the nostalgia issue clouding my judgment, which is why I think I feel this way. As a group, EpIV/V/VI are better than EpI/II, but not by a lot since I like TPM better than RotJ and don't think it's too far from ANH. My rankings after seeing each movie once are ESB>ANH>TPM>RotJ>>AotC.
Here's hoping that the early hype for EpIII is warranted and it turns out very well.
My mini reviews...
The most interesting aspect of Star Wars for me isn't Vader, but Palpatine. I find it stupid that Vader is always thought of as the ultimate movie bad guy when he's nothing more than Palpatine's puppet (the end of ROTJ notwithstanding). Palpatine's the real power player.
The OT
I don't have a lot to say here, since I'm a bit hazy on the details (I only watched each movie once and it was 6 months ago), except that they're very good movies. Nothing mind-blowingly great like the hype could lead one to believe, but good, fun movies. The storylines and action were nice and the acting wasn't bad, especially from Harrison Ford (the best performer IMO). There were some corny/stupid moments, but nothing too bad. ESB is the best of the 3, ROTJ the worst w/ the lame ass Ewoks.
Episodes I-II
I saw these recently, which is why I'll go into more detail. The Anakin in TPM didn't bother me at all, but there's no denying that Christensen was terrible during the love/flirting scenes in AotC. Portman didn't bother me and I liked Nesson, McGregor and the Palpatine actor. Jar Jar Binks sucked, but he didn't completely annoy me.
I thought the stories were told well, since they're all about the way Palpatine manipulated his way into power for me. The lack of action in TPM didn't bother me since I liked the political focus. The Maul fight didn't impress me and I don't get people's excitement over it. AotC needed the cool, extended clones/robots fight to save it from being below average. I like TPH better than AotC.
Overall, the OT is kind of overrated and the prequels somewhat underrated. I don't have the nostalgia issue clouding my judgment, which is why I think I feel this way. As a group, EpIV/V/VI are better than EpI/II, but not by a lot since I like TPM better than RotJ and don't think it's too far from ANH. My rankings after seeing each movie once are ESB>ANH>TPM>RotJ>>AotC.
Here's hoping that the early hype for EpIII is warranted and it turns out very well.
So the early reviews are in on Rottentomatoes and they're very favourable. Some are incredible..where do they find some of these reviewers?
Now, granted I haven't seen this movie yet, but 'the best film to be unleashed onto the public in 25 years'???? I seriously doubt that will be the case.
Now, granted I haven't seen this movie yet, but 'the best film to be unleashed onto the public in 25 years'???? I seriously doubt that will be the case.
lol.. umm.. yeah.. having seen what I have and knowing the story, while it will be great, and while it is a spectacular "ending" to unquestionably THE greatest saga of the past 25 years (yeah, I'm looking at LOTR with that statement), know, I can't see Ep3 being the greatest movie of the last 25 years (clearly that would be Ghostbusters).Manics said:
Bauer Auction Hour - interesting perspective. To compare it directly sith womeone who grew up with the saga (first movie came out when I was two years old)
this is really interesting, and I agree with you NOW, but before the PT, Vader WAS the ultimate villain. He was the main bad guy for 2 of the movies, and even when ROTJ came into being, while the emperor was truly evil, he was always just this sort of side character who was the catalyst of pitting vader and luke against each other for luke to finally turn his father back. but the emperor for the past 28 years has hardly been the ultimate evil. Even the first two movies of the PT he was more shadowy figure than ultimate evil. Heck, Sidious only appeared in AOTC for like 2 minutes tops.
the "hype" definitely comes from growing up with the saga. the PT haters INSIST that nostalgia doesn't come into play when comparing the two trilogies, but that is just flat out denial. We were blown away again and again and again by the OT. Each movies building on more of what we never saw before. It had a huge impact on anyone who saw the movies when they first came out. but yeah, there are some flaws in the movies. Unfortunately most of us "there at the time" fans only watch them once a year or so, so we aren't really at all critical of their flaws.. but yeah, when the SE trilogy was released in the theaters I saw ANH 6 times... and by around the 4th time it's flaws (like the entire first half of the movie) started glaring REALLY badly. Actually the last two times I saw it I went with friends.. and after the SE theatrical releases I didn't watch any of them again until a few months before Ep1 was released.
IAWTP I mean really, this is exactly how I feel. Only I am clouded by nostalgi and still feel this way. Well, except for AOTC. I would say it is just barely in last place behind ROTJ.
SteveMeister
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Palpatine's been my favorite character in the saga since Return of the Jedi.
And I resent the accusations that people who love the original trilogy are victims of their judgement being "clouded by nostalgia". The first movie was absolutely groundbreaking when it was released. There'd been nothing else like it, ever. It was an epic tale of mythic proportions that captured the imaginations of millions. A New Hope defined the Summer Blockbuster. It pretty much invented merchandising tie-ins. It was and remains a cultural phenomenon. And it was really, really GOOD. I still love watching the original trilogy, even having seen them countless times before. I was 12 when Star Wars was first released, and I saw the movie 14 times in theaters that year. I saw it another dozen times when it was re-released. I saw The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi on opening day.
There is nostalgia, yes -- but it's there not because I have some hazy memory of seeing these movies when I was 2 or 3, but because I have vivid memories of drinking in every aspect of these movies as a teenager. My judgement is not clouded by nostalgia.
And I resent the accusations that people who love the original trilogy are victims of their judgement being "clouded by nostalgia". The first movie was absolutely groundbreaking when it was released. There'd been nothing else like it, ever. It was an epic tale of mythic proportions that captured the imaginations of millions. A New Hope defined the Summer Blockbuster. It pretty much invented merchandising tie-ins. It was and remains a cultural phenomenon. And it was really, really GOOD. I still love watching the original trilogy, even having seen them countless times before. I was 12 when Star Wars was first released, and I saw the movie 14 times in theaters that year. I saw it another dozen times when it was re-released. I saw The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi on opening day.
There is nostalgia, yes -- but it's there not because I have some hazy memory of seeing these movies when I was 2 or 3, but because I have vivid memories of drinking in every aspect of these movies as a teenager. My judgement is not clouded by nostalgia.
Bauer Action Hour
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SteveMeister said:Palpatine's been my favorite character in the saga since Return of the Jedi.
And I resent the accusations that people who love the original trilogy are victims of their judgement being "clouded by nostalgia". The first movie was absolutely groundbreaking when it was released. There'd been nothing else like it, ever. It was an epic tale of mythic proportions that captured the imaginations of millions. A New Hope defined the Summer Blockbuster. It pretty much invented merchandising tie-ins. It was and remains a cultural phenomenon. And it was really, really GOOD. I still love watching the original trilogy, even having seen them countless times before. I was 12 when Star Wars was first released, and I saw the movie 14 times in theaters that year. I saw it another dozen times when it was re-released. I saw The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi on opening day.
There is nostalgia, yes -- but it's there not because I have some hazy memory of seeing these movies when I was 2 or 3, but because I have vivid memories of drinking in every aspect of these movies as a teenager. My judgement is not clouded by nostalgia.
Steve, good for you. I didn't actually mean that everyone who is crazy about the OT is being nostalgic. People have a lot of different reasons for liking certain things. The only place where I really feel nostalgia is clouding people is for the prequels. I don't think they're as bad as people make them out to be, nowhere near it. That's all I really mean.
SteveMeister
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Bauer Action Hour said:
OK, cool. Personally I think TPM isn't nearly as bad as people think it is, especially if you can get past Jar Jar. AOTC I don't think is quite as good, but the last hour is great, and I love the part where Anakin infiltrates the Sandpeople camp and his later confession to Padme. Neither film is as good as anything in the OT, but I still like them.
I didn't mean that as a knock against the OT. Well, ok, maybe a little knock. But I didn't mean to imply that the OT was bad and that we only thought it was good because of how young and naive we were. It was and us a great saga. but as BAH is saying, I think many PT haters (not all mind you) definitely let their nostalgia cloud their mind and htink the OT is infallable while the PT, which suffers from many of the same problems the OT suffers from, is a troubled mess of a series.
I also think that ROTS will work for more people than the the previous two movies did because while the finale of the PT, it really just begins the climax of the saga as a whole. The first two movies are definitely the build up. The slow 30-40 minutes of movies like ANH, ROTJ, TPM, and AOTC. ROTS I really think starts the action packed last part of the saga. In that sense it is definitely more akin to the original trilogy, which was the playing out of the climax and finale, than the PT, which was the exposition and buildup.
Though I agree with everyone here about the PT. I for one enjoyed it. For me, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Having an amazing epic story folding out upon the screen over six chapters definitely weighs in for me more than some wooden acting here and there, some horrible dialogue all over the place, and some uneven pacing in most of the individual chapters.
can't believe in 9 days I will be standing in line waiting for this to all come to an end.
and for those who are "Worried" about the ROTS box office.. I don't think there is a question that it will outperform AOTC.. outperforming ANH or TPM may be impossible, though out of ALL the movies (and I do mean ALL the movies) I think ROTS probably has the best chance.
I just think TPM was a better moviethan ROTJ. Though AOTC is definitely the worst of the bunch. Though still not a terribly bad worst to have in a saga (*coughrevolutionscough*)
But I didn't mean to imply that the OT was bad and that we only thought it was good because of how young and naive we were. It was and us a great saga. but as BAH is saying, I think many PT haters (not all mind you) definitely let their nostalgia cloud their mind and htink the OT is infallable while the PT, which suffers from many of the same problems the OT suffers from, is a troubled mess of a series.I also think that ROTS will work for more people than the the previous two movies did because while the finale of the PT, it really just begins the climax of the saga as a whole. The first two movies are definitely the build up. The slow 30-40 minutes of movies like ANH, ROTJ, TPM, and AOTC. ROTS I really think starts the action packed last part of the saga. In that sense it is definitely more akin to the original trilogy, which was the playing out of the climax and finale, than the PT, which was the exposition and buildup.
Though I agree with everyone here about the PT. I for one enjoyed it. For me, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Having an amazing epic story folding out upon the screen over six chapters definitely weighs in for me more than some wooden acting here and there, some horrible dialogue all over the place, and some uneven pacing in most of the individual chapters.
can't believe in 9 days I will be standing in line waiting for this to all come to an end.
and for those who are "Worried" about the ROTS box office.. I don't think there is a question that it will outperform AOTC.. outperforming ANH or TPM may be impossible, though out of ALL the movies (and I do mean ALL the movies) I think ROTS probably has the best chance.
as an overall story, I still like TPM as a movie better than ROTJ. The only two things ROTJ has to speak up with is only two thirds of the last part of the movie. The space battle and throne room scenes (and celebration in SE) are some of the best scenes of the saga. but really the rest of the movie is just bad. TPM had so much more going for it. and as far as machanics go, the only grating performances for me in Ep1 are Jar Jar, Anakin, and Queen Amidala (note not Padme who I think was done decently).SteveMeister said:
I just think TPM was a better moviethan ROTJ. Though AOTC is definitely the worst of the bunch. Though still not a terribly bad worst to have in a saga (*coughrevolutionscough*)
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