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[Apathy]

I sure hope the shit is free! People sure didn't get much for their 60$ at launch.

People seem to be fine with what they got for 40/60 at launch. Wouldn't be so popular if it didn't considering that they spoke about all the content available before it launched, so if people are spending money and then complaining it's their own fault

 

[Jebusman]

I didn't start anything, you quoted me and started talking to me? There games are all clearly designed around random loot drops and MT now.

Lol what? I wasn't say I was a more hardcore Blizzard fan, where the hell did you get that from..?

You asked me what my first Blizzard game was and I gave you an answer that paints a better picture of why arguing "RNG loot systems are shittier" is fair when we come from an era where there wasn't shitty RNG loot systems. Why else bring it up other than to try and pull some "Are you new to video games" rank shit. It's not an actual argument.

And guess what, I own Overwatch! It's not like I personally don't get how the game works, or why we have MTAs. I literally argued for the exact reason of why we have MTAs in this very thread!

I also did it in a bit more of a conductive way than you screaming that this thread, along with many others, need to be locked because they have complaints that you don't seem to understand. Like hide behind the "lol man what u talking about" attitude. It's as bad as the Destiny players that couldn't take a hint of criticism, and that was a real fun time.

 

[Hawkian]

Regardless of your feelings on microtransactions in general, the OP of this thread is tantamount to misinformation. :-/

Overwatch has much more of the sort of character-driven dialogue he claims to be referring to (none of it "locked") than any multiplayer shooter I've ever played, and that very much includes TF2.

 

[~Cross~]

I don't see how any of this is comparable. An mmo is way harder and more expensive to run then a fps moba with 3 game modes and a handful of people in a match at the same time. Ow came out costing 60 bucks with peanuts for content and dumb micro transactions.

"expensive to run" only applies if the game is being actively developed. An MMO can run indefinitely with a piddling amount of players providing money.

We dont know what sort of post release content Blizzard is going to add to the game, but if they plan to make it a proper platform they could very well have more people working on it than ANet does for GW2 and Pearl Abyss has for BD, both of which have had incredibly slow/bad post release content.

 

[vypek]

Game was not 40$ on consoles*

*In most cases


Just to clarify for some people

 

[BraXzy]

I could understand some complaints in regards to Microtransactions if they weren't purely cosmetic and...

They fund all future content including heroes and maps for FREE!

 

[scy]

And many more. Those are just recent examples....I'm waiting for the OP to respond to this because it was the crux of his argument (that making speech lines locked was a 'new low')

I'm still mostly stuck on the game he cites over and over (TF2) having the same thing he's complaining about. The literal exact same thing. Every interaction of the character's that involves ... well, the character themselves and their backstory is in the game as is. The locked sound clips are emotes.

 

[Mass Appeal]

Agree with op and think it sounds lame. It's also pretty lame how many passes this game is getting. So many people are drinking the overwatch jungle juice it has to be one of the most overhyped games ever.

OW is better then every FPS that has come out this gen except for maybe Destiny. It has great gameplay and polish you hardly see in games anynore. The MTs and unlock system is far better then something like COD they actually make you unlock weapons for money.

You haven't played the game so why even post this comment?

 

[badblue]

Yes OP, Overwatch is scraping the bottom of the barrel with the "new low"
Call of Duty:

• 
  Cosmetic microtransactions
  New content locked behind random microtransactions (you'd be lucky to get the new gun spending $100)
  Paid community dividing map packs
  Yearly full price game release, invalidating the money spent on microtransactions/map packs

Overwatch:

• 
  Cosmetic microtransactions

Overwatch will have new content added, and maps. All of which will be free. And since this is blizzard, we know we are not going to be buying Overwatch 2 next year.

 

[KillerDark]

I sure hope the shit is free! People sure didn't get much for their 60$ at launch.

$40 on PC. And they paid for one hell of a game, it is incredibly fun and will be played for a long time by many people.

 

[Jito]

You asked me what my first Blizzard game was and I gave you an answer that paints a better picture of why arguing "RNG loot systems are shittier" when we come from an era where there wasn't shitty RNG loot systems.

And guess what, I own Overwatch! It's not like I personally don't get how the game works, or why we have MTAs. I literally argued for the exact reason of why we have MTAs in this very thread!

I also did it in a bit more of a conductive way that you screaming that this thread, along with many others, need to be locked because they have complaints that you don't seem to understand.

I didn't ask what your first Blizzard game was I asked "Is this your first Blizzard game?" They make games now that very much revolve around loot, dlc or MT. Also really, I'm tired of this back in my day and I come from a different era shit, time moves on, markets evolve, people have more disposable income and spend money differently. Get over it.

That's very heroic of you, I simply got tired of how this thread was going in circles endlessly, still stand by that it should be closed, nothing of worth is being discussed after 26 pages.

 

[MMaRsu]

I sure hope the shit is free! People sure didn't get much for their 60$ at launch.

they didnt? your a dumb troll nothing m9re.

 

[BiggNife]

How does this make it right? Only difference is ow has tons of fanboys to defend it.

I still don't really understand why you are so angry

Games as a service is a thing that is exceedingly common in this industry and I don't really see a problem in buying a game that is relatively content light with the promise that more content will be coming down the road with no additional cost

This is something Blizzard does all the time. Diablo 3 is literally a different game than it was at launch.

 

[Freiya]

"expensive to run" only applies if the game is being actively developed. An MMO can run indefinitely with a piddling amount of players providing money.

We dont know what sort of post release content Blizzard is going to add to the game, but if they plan to make it a proper platform they could very well have more people working on it than ANet does for GW2 and Pearl Abyss has for BD, both of which have had incredibly slow/bad post release content.

I dont care how you try to slice shit and butter it up. A 10 player online game is not in the same ballpark as an mmorpg.

 

[shiftplusone]

Regardless of your feelings on microtransactions in general, the OP of this thread is tantamount to misinformation. :-/

Overwatch has much more of the sort of character-driven dialogue he claims to be referring to (none of it "locked") than any multiplayer shooter I've ever played, and that very much includes TF2.

as an example, Hanzo and Genji have dialogue about their past and being brothers and more, that they say at the beginning of a match, without having to unlock anything


but

Genji also has an unlockable voice line where he says "Measure Twice, Cut Once"

and i'm pissed off about missing this critical lore

 

[shadowstar]

This is by far the best form of microtransactions. The likely reason you really have a problem with it is because it is actually making you consider buying a few for once. That's what all of my friends and I have decided about it.

This is the primary reason people have a problem with it. Everyone who's played knows loot boxes can be earned relatively easily as long as you're playing and you can save gold to buy the stuff you want. There is RNG in the loot boxes, but there is an additional way to purchase exactly what you want without spending a dime. They're just so tempting because it's so easy to fall in love with your favorite characters that you want to pimp them out in cosmetics NOW, no waiting or earning!

That or people haven't played it and are just repeating nonsense and think the only way to unlock A-Mei-zing is with cash.

 

[Cels]

i don't particularly like this practice. but i prefer the way things are, with free maps/heroes instead of paid ones.

 

[SocksAndShoes]

I dont care how you try to slice shit and butter it up. A 10 player online game is not in the same ballpark as an mmorpg.

But what about a 12 player game? Because that's what Overwatch is.

 

[Jebusman]

That's very heroic of you, I simply got tired of how this thread was going in circles endlessly, still stand by that it should be closed, nothing of worth is being discussed after 26 pages.

Then leave it. In fact why continue to respond to these posts? As much as you don't want to believe so, people were actually trying to explain the rational behind MTAs, why Overwatch uses them, why it's fair that voice quotes are behind them, why yes overall it's shittier than the old days, why those old days likely can't come back.

I'm simply just tired of people joining the thread to complain about the thread. If the mod wanted to close it he would.

 

[Arcteryx]

I dont care how you try to slice shit and butter it up. A 10 player online game is not in the same ballpark as an mmorpg.

Do you even have the fucking game?

 

[Ferrio]

I dont care how you try to slice shit and butter it up. A 10 player online game is not in the same ballpark as an mmorpg.

It is with the amount of people playing it and all servers are Blizzard hosted.

 

[Ryde3]

I enjoy the unlock system...

me too, skins, sprays, voiceline etc all fall under the same category imo.

 

[slash3584]

I didn't ask what your first Blizzard game was I asked "Is this your first Blizzard game?" They make games now that very much revolve around loot, dlc or MT.

That's very heroic of you, I simply got tired of how this thread was going in circles endlessly, still stand by that it should be closed, nothing of worth is being discussed after 26 pages.

IMO this thread with it's click-baity title and the hyperbolic OP was never going to produce any meaningful conversation.

Do people really aproach discussions this way in real life?

 

[fernoca]

New low....yeah.

I could understand the argument about microtransactions in a paid game, which itself is not new. Don't mind, but whatever.

But saying the lines "does effect the writing, the characterization and basically the heart of the game"...

....yeah, no. XD

 

[Jito]

Then leave it. In fact why continue to respond to these posts? As much as you don't want to believe so, people were actually trying to explain the rational behind MTAs, why Overwatch uses them, why it's fair that voice quotes are behind them, why yes overall it's shittier than the old days, why those old days likely can't come back.

I'm simply just tired of people joining the thread to complain about the thread. If the mod wanted to close it he would.

That's nice you think the OP cares and actually made this thread to have a discussion, I've seen none of that from their side, literally just coming back every now and then to deny anyone trying to reason with them and stand by their point. What a great discussion!

IMO this thread with it's click-baity title and the hyperbolic OP was never going to produce any meaningful conversation.

Do people really aproach discussions this way in real life?

Exactly, OP never had a sincere point to make, they clearly just wanted to point out something they thought was shitty in what is the new hotness and try to paint it in a bad light.

 

[Izayoi]

Everything you unlock is purely cosmetic.

You have access to all characters, abilities, weapons, and maps from the very start.

I really don't see what the problem is here.

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

Game was not 40$ on consoles



How does this make it right? Only difference is ow has tons of fanboys to defend it.


Lol @ all the ow fanboys trying to act like a large chunk of people didn't pay 60$ for this game

This is gamefaq's quality shitposting right here. I paid 90 for the game here in Canada.
What if I paid more than 40? What does that mean? What I see in Overwatch is the best shooter of this generation, with depth in design that goes beyond adding a gun or a map I don't care about. Also, you realize you're in the minority here? Also, lot of people are playing it on console. So what does this post even accomplish?

 

[~Cross~]

I dont care how you try to slice shit and butter it up. A 10 player online game is not in the same ballpark as an mmorpg.

10? You also called it a moba fps. Have you even WATCHED the damn thing?

Whats the difference between 12x400000 and 4800000 players? FPS games might not carry as much data per players as MMOs but they require a whole lot more instancing and the effects of latency are far more apparent.

 

[Freiya]

they didnt? your a dumb troll nothing m9re.

You come off like a mad fanboy, nothing more.

I still don't really understand why you are so angry

Games as a service is a thing that is exceedingly common in this industry and I don't really see a problem in buying a game that is relatively content light with the promise that more content will be coming down the road with no additional cost

This is something Blizzard does all the time.. Diablo 3 is literally a different game than it was at launch.

I don't even care about the game enough to be mad at anything. I just think the fanboys of ow are swimming in hypocrisy. Lol I said the game lacks content and look at the defenders attack me like I'm making the shit up. Game obviously lacks shit the same way battlefront and titanfall did. Some people are obviously going to be upset with some micro transactions after paying 60$ for a barebone game.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

u called overwatch a 10 player moba fps

far as im concerned ur just a dumbass lol

 

[SocksAndShoes]

Game obviously lacks shit the same way battlefront and titanfall did.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about, and it's pretty obvious.

 

[datamage]

Dem waifus bro. They awaken the beast in even the calmest man.

lol.

 

[Jebusman]

Exactly, OP never had a sincere point to make, they clearly just wanted to point out something they thought was shitty in what is the new hotness and try to paint it in a bad light.

Explain to me how RNG unlocking vocal taunts is better than just having all of them available to you from the get go. I get that there's maybe 5 people on this earth (OP included with that) that actually care THAT MUCH about vocal taunts, which is why everyone has been dismissing him in the first place, but try and explain to me how RNG unlocking vocal taunts is actually better than just having them all from the get go.

Because I don't disagree that it's not that big of a deal, and I don't disagree that MTAs need to exist in order for modern games to be around, but I can totally buy in the abstract why it's silly we need to have those in the first place, and how something as simple as voice dialogue can get locked behind the grind.

Or don't because no one's actually having a discussion in this thread, amiright?

Edit: Like the OP is LEAGUES about this Freiya person in terms of temperment. At least he actually seemed to have basic knowledge of what Overwatch was.

 

[Freiya]

This is gamefaq's quality shitposting right here. I paid 90 for the game here in Canada.
What if I paid more than 40? What does that mean? What I see in Overwatch is the best shooter of this generation, with depth in design that goes beyond adding a gun or a map I don't care about. Also, you realize you're in the minority here? Also, lot of people are playing it on console. So what does this post even accomplish?

Wtf is your post even saying. You aren't arguing against anything I've said. You only insult me because you are a butt hurt fanboy.

10? You also called it a moba fps. Have you even WATCHED the damn thing?

Whats the difference between 12x400000 and 4800000 players? FPS games might not carry as much data per players as MMOs but they require a whole lot more instancing and the effects of latency are far more apparent.

Im not going to debate this with you. It should be obvious why an mmorpg is more expensive.

 

[finalflame]

I don't even care about the game enough to be mad at anything. I just think the fanboys of ow are swimming in hypocrisy. Lol I said the game lacks content and look at the defenders attack me like I'm making the shit up. Game obviously lacks shit the same way battlefront and titanfall did. Some people are obviously going to be upset with some micro transactions after paying 60$ for a barebone game.

I played over 200 hours of Titanfall around launch. Quite a bit for a "content light" game. The fun of Titanfall did not come from having a plethora of mediocre maps to choose from, it came from the insanely satisfying gameplay and fun mechanics.

Same with Overwatch. Do I want more maps and characters down the line? Sure, and Blizzard will deliver, however, the game is an absolute joy to play and a frickin' blast in its current state, too. Just look at how it has reviewed.

 

[BiggNife]

I don't even care about the game enough to be mad at anything. I just think the fanboys of ow are swimming in hypocrisy. Lol I said the game lacks content and look at the defenders attack me like I'm making the shit up. Game obviously lacks shit the same way battlefront and titanfall did. Some people are obviously going to be upset with some micro transactions after paying 60$ for a barebone game.

Except Battlefront and Titanfall charged money for additional maps and Overwatch doesn't! Which is something people keep saying and you keep ignoring!!!!!

You keep making these arguments while leaving important facts out so many times to the point where I'm wondering if it's intentional and they keep undermining the point you are trying to make

You also seem to just deflect any argument by claiming anyone disagreeing with you is a "fanboy" which is awfully convenient

 

[KZXcellent]

I have never seen someone so concerned about the voice lines in Overwatch before and I'm really into the game's story/lore.

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

You don't have any idea what you're talking about, and it's pretty obvious.

Freiya embodies much of the minor backlash I'm seeing around gaf; misinformed, full of false equivalent statements and sharply bitter.

 

[CookedChocobo]

Completely cosmetic stuff that you can unlock while playing normally is "a new low" ? You're cute.

Yeah, don't get the point of this thread.

 

[Hektor]

I don't even care about the game enough to be mad at anything. I just think the fanboys of ow are swimming in hypocrisy. Lol I said the game lacks content and look at the defenders attack me like I'm making the shit up. Game obviously lacks shit the same way battlefront and titanfall did. Some people are obviously going to be upset with some micro transactions after paying 60$ for a barebone game.

You mean those games that laucnhed with 30$ season passes?

 

[Mass Appeal]

You come off like a mad fanboy, nothing more.


I don't even care about the game enough to be mad at anything. I just think the fanboys of ow are swimming in hypocrisy. Lol I said the game lacks content and look at the defenders attack me like I'm making the shit up. Game obviously lacks shit the same way battlefront and titanfall did. Some people are obviously going to be upset with some micro transactions after paying 60$ for a barebone game.

OW has more gameplay then a lot of games out their though. It's not barebobes because there is tons to unlock but most $60 games today are fsr worse in content and yet still ask for a season pass while OW does none of this.... all post launch dlc is free. So essentially you're paying the same with games that have season passes.

 

[shiftplusone]

I don't even care about the game enough to be mad at anything. I just think the fanboys of ow are swimming in hypocrisy. Lol I said the game lacks content and look at the defenders attack me like I'm making the shit up. Game obviously lacks shit the same way battlefront and titanfall did. Some people are obviously going to be upset with some micro transactions after paying 60$ for a barebone game.

You are beyond being fucking ignorant on this subject

As a shitpost, there's only 4 character classes in bf4

who would pay 60 dollars for 4 fucking classes

fanboy idiots, thats who

 

[Inspector Jones]

But they're free.
I'm surprised people defend this garbage, in a 60$ game.
I guess tacit resignation is the only explanation i can come up with.

Because it doesn't impact gameplay nor my ability to play with my friends or any other player. I can keep on playing Overwatch without having to spend a single additional cent. I'm never going to feel compelled to spend more money because a new hero is released or I get kicked from a lobby because they're playing a special map.

Plus I and may players feel that the content that everyone starts with is worth the asking price.

 

[Freiya]

Sorry guys! Ow has so much content and I was so wrong about everything so sorry.



Yea no.

 

[borghe]

I dont care how you try to slice shit and butter it up. A 10 player online game is not in the same ballpark as an mmorpg.

wow.. a new low in trolling. not only are you comparing two disparate game genres, but then you don't even get the facts of the one game correct.

Please tell me more about the value of this game!

 

[Mass Appeal]

Sorry guys! Ow has so much content and I was so wrong about everything so sorry.



Yea no.

What games do you play that have tons of content?

 

[Rizific]

For stuff that is purely cosmetic and adds nothing to the game otherwise...way to go OP. clearly the most devilish utilization of micro transactions.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

What games do you play that have tons of content?

Angry Birds

 

[~Cross~]

Im not going to debate this with you. It should be obvious why an mmorpg is more expensive.

u called overwatch a 10 player moba fps

far as im concerned ur just a dumbass lol

I usually dont argue in bad faith, but when I do I do it by quoting other people that have similar opinions to what I'm thinking about

 

[BRocknRolla]

You come off like a mad fanboy, nothing more.

I don't even care about the game enough to be mad at anything. I just think the fanboys of ow are swimming in hypocrisy.

By all means, keep calling everyone a "fanboy" who disagrees with you. It really strengthens all your posts.