Ryo Hazuki
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Wait, what is this Symmetra nerf being mentioned?
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Garrett Hawke
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An easily solution for an ally Mei to stop ice walling her allies to hassle them, is to disable that ability in the respawn chamber, in addition to a radius of 25-30 feet from the entrance. (Or around that distance.)
Mei isn't a remotely dangerous threat, as she can't even waddle herself out of danger. In the instance for Reaper, his very high damage close up is often enough to stop Mei from freezing him in time. Wraithform also help out a lot if one doesn't manage to kill Mei in time. McCree can stop a Mei with Flashbang + FOH, and Junkrat is capable of placing his Concussion Mine and/or a Steel Trap right next to her, allowing for easy damage or immobilization.
Ryo Hazuki
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Ah a console patch. Scared me for a second. Must be hard to balance between console and PC sometimes.
PS4 here, can confirm that Pharah is still really good in this meta on consoles. Even in the mid 60's of competitive play, if I'm doing well as pharah the only major threats to me are Soldiers using their aimbot, Tobjorn turrets (although I usually rocket snipe these easily from outside of their range), and Zenyatta.
The PC meta matters, but not in an up-front way. It seems that Blizzard doesn't really pay attention to useage of characters on console, and buffs/nerfs characters based on the PC meta. It means that nerfing sharpshooter characters (Hanzo, Widowmaker, McCree) on console based on PC usage makes them incredibly underpowered on console, where people can't flick headshot opponents and generally miss 90% of their shots. The only console-exclusive change was a nerf to Tobjorns turret damage, which I agree was much needed on console more than PC.
But she's not really tho
Garrett Hawke
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Btw, last night I fired off a DVa ult mech at a Reinhardt and I swear the shield stopped it from moving.
Did it just reach max distance or is that a known thing? Cus if the mech projectile (not talking about the explosion) doesn't penetrate his shield I don't see why Mei's thing should.
Did it just reach max distance or is that a known thing? Cus if the mech projectile (not talking about the explosion) doesn't penetrate his shield I don't see why Mei's thing should.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
You can absorb blizzard with dm like you can with graviton surge.
Also lol thinking you need to blow ults to get away from blizzard.
a) you actually have time to run away from blizzard before freeze, unlike graviton.
b) she calls out her ult before she throws it out unlike zarya who calls out while she throws her ult, so there's even more time to react.
c) blizzard causes people to scatter more unlike graviton which bunches people up from scattered positions.
Like, the only way i can see graviton being less effective than blizzard is people playing at really low levels.
There's a reason why zarya is such a popular tank and mei is at the bottom with the rest of the defense category.
Garrett Hawke
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In that case then, I guess I would say Graviton Surge is worse than Blizzard with unorganised teams. With unorganised teams, Blizzard freezes the heroes trapped within it allowing Mei or any of the other characters nearby to pick them off one by one, whereas often (at least in my experiences) disorganised teams with a Zarya tend not to capitalise on her ult. particularly if there is a Reinhardt, who can just shut down a Zarya ult if there's not enough pressure from the rest of the team.
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xaosslug
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are you kidding? A capable/aware Mei is incredibly dangerous. 1v1 Mei would kill every character you've mentioned. I mean if it takes multiple characters and numerous 'tricks' to take out one person I would say they are pretty freaking dangerous.
yea, pretty much. the MM is complete garbage. i even had one where a full group played against a team of full of randoms. not even partial groups. guess who got slaughtered?
if you solo q, you should not be matched up against full groups at all. partial groups are okay. i cannot imagine that the player pool in Comp is so low that it does that.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Well nobody is going to balance around disorganized teams.
If anything is say that blizzard has an even bigger disadvantage with disorganized teams because it's best values comes from having people bunched up closely in the first place.
Also i have done way, WAAAAAAAAY more wombo combos with graviton than blizzard. And I'd say 80% of my teams are fairly unorganized.
Newtype-001
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Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
No.
No.
It's not that mei is dangerous, it's that those people are bad players.
Like, this is the weirdest statement I've read all day. There's no way mei can out dps a reaper or mccree before she gets freeze.
Garrett Hawke
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But disorganised teams is probably 90% of the matches that happen, at least on consoles where nobody uses a mic and there is no text chat.
I guess we will just have to disagree but I don't think Mei's ult needs buffing. It will be interesting to see what the general opinion is afterwards, I might be completely wrong.
From my playing of Mei, I feel she is basically fucked when it comes to payload maps because the nature of the maps is open space and full of flank points.
Mei shines in assault maps on the attacking side because her wall can fend of attacks on the chokepoints so her team can filter to the right or left rooms, her wall also delay enemies coming out of their spawn rooms. Her ult is similar to Hanzo as its use to keep people off the point so its good if you need a few more seconds to cap the points without interference.
As for KOTH maps, only Nepal I feel she is good because she can walled off the huge entrance of the 2 maps to delay the enemy from reaching the point and her ult can actually clear those cramp points.
As a group she can be viable, 1v1 she is dead.
Mei shines in assault maps on the attacking side because her wall can fend of attacks on the chokepoints so her team can filter to the right or left rooms, her wall also delay enemies coming out of their spawn rooms. Her ult is similar to Hanzo as its use to keep people off the point so its good if you need a few more seconds to cap the points without interference.
As for KOTH maps, only Nepal I feel she is good because she can walled off the huge entrance of the 2 maps to delay the enemy from reaching the point and her ult can actually clear those cramp points.
As a group she can be viable, 1v1 she is dead.
No thats just easy picking.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
It's more like she's an easy kill once she gets out of ice block more than anything.
Mei's best map is a payload/hybrid
Mei is also shit in a 1v1. She's only close to viable cause wall wins organized fights.
She's not that dangerous or annoying unless you have no awareness or can't shoot.
I don't get frozen and think "dumb ice bitch man fuck that." I think "I fucked up hard enough to deserve this."
Mei is also shit in a 1v1. She's only close to viable cause wall wins organized fights.
She's not that dangerous or annoying unless you have no awareness or can't shoot.
I don't get frozen and think "dumb ice bitch man fuck that." I think "I fucked up hard enough to deserve this."
xaosslug
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lmao, what? Mei can freeze every one of those characters 1v1 w/o using any of her abilities (except, maybe, cryo to counter Reaper's wraith or Mc's flashbang) and just skip off unscathed. Let's seriously not.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Seriously, mei being able to 1v1 reaper? Barely anyone can 1v1 reaper in his range.
Dead Prince
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they can't really do anything with mei walls because i know they can fuck you up and they can't make it invisible to your team because there's some advantage to have it solid (Let junkrat spam it if she sets it behind the enemy. and lucio can use it to wall ride. i did watch a stream where the mei would leave the wall up knowing well they need to take it down. it's like they don't know you can take it down with the same button you put it up.
Garrett Hawke
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I think we're having a PC v console discussion again
xaos, you're PS4 right? And whippy and Anne are PC?
xaos, you're PS4 right? And whippy and Anne are PC?
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Mei is pretty bad. Like all of the defense heroes are pretty awful right now. But this is the same tricky balancing act Blizzard had with Bastion. At the top levels he is garbage, at the low levels he is OP. Similar for Mei. If they buff her people at the top might finally start picking a defense hero (especially since Mei is one of the few that can stop the Lucio speedboost in + Discord pick + 5 v 6 snowball fight strat) but people who don't play at that level will be furious.
Vault Dweller 111
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If she's that good then why does no one pick her?
If you get frozen by Mei 1v1 as a DPS, you deserved to die for losing to an immobile character with no significant DPS.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
And both mccree and reaper can kill her with 2 headshots before freeze comes into effect.
Also both have really easy ways to stop her freezing.
Like the only way mei can win against them 1v1 is if she gets the drop on them, but you can say that for literally every character.
xaosslug
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nah, most peeps ignore Mei until she makes her presence absolutely known (through numerous kills), and then she's pretty much the highest priority team target only under Zenny. Even Bastion is ignored if he's out of the way, but a good team never leaves Mei alone.
Except Mei's Cryo Freeze has like a 1 frame start up that gives her full health, where Reaper is stuck with the health he has and try and fight her again or to completely disengage and run back to his team.. And if reaper doesn't have his wraith form up hes kinda screwed if he stays around and fights.
(I play on console so its probably a different experience entirely for me.)
Vault Dweller 111
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What game are you playing man? Lmao
optimus8936
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Lol you assume I play at low to mid level play. I'm at rank 70 and I've never seen speed boost be that much of an influence in winning games. I play Lucio very regularly and use speed boost with him and never found that I was making this impact that you think it makes.
And I've seen some great Lucios in my games.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Maybe? Like, on pc here and i don't worry about freeze as reaper because 2 headshots and she's dead.
Honestly as mei i'd rather just icicle him at midrange then go into his range to freeze him.
xaosslug
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could it be... Satan?
y'all are imagining Mei up against these amazing headshot expert players, yet the Mei player is some amateour scrub? Mess. -__-
what is McCree doing playing inside Mei's range?
fun factoid: Mei's gun won't even kill Mercy with a full freeze, she has to either refreeze, or reload and go for the ice needle, or try to melee, or something.
i'm convinced people are traumatized by the few times they run into a really good Mei who flanks for freezes & isolates for the team to kill.
she makes people seriously angry.
fun factoid: Mei's gun won't even kill Mercy with a full freeze, she has to either refreeze, or reload and go for the ice needle, or try to melee, or something.
i'm convinced people are traumatized by the few times they run into a really good Mei who flanks for freezes & isolates for the team to kill.
she makes people seriously angry.
I'd call SR70 on console mid level play.
Vault Dweller 111
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No. This is not a console PC issue. I have no freakin clue what that dude is talking about.
Red Arremer
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Yeah, clearly your personal games in competitive are much more indicative of how the meta is currently looking like than tournament stats and results.
I'm tired of arguing with you about this. Clearly to you, Lucio is 100% perfect as he is, and lowering his speed boost apparently means he's useless trash, even though according to you, it makes no difference anyway.
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Guy leaves so we lose, that definitely reflects my skill level and I definitely deserved to lose a rank.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
It's not that hard to headshot as reaper.
Mccree is a bit trickier but stun fth at least forces her to cryo, and by then you can get into a range where you can easily pick her off or force her to get away.
Also why the hell is mccree going into her freezing range in the first place anyway? He's an insane midrange dps. He should be picking mei off from the midrange away from freezing range.
Mccree is a bit trickier but stun fth at least forces her to cryo, and by then you can get into a range where you can easily pick her off or force her to get away.
Also why the hell is mccree going into her freezing range in the first place anyway? He's an insane midrange dps. He should be picking mei off from the midrange away from freezing range.
xaosslug
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the one where Mei is already fine as she is and doesn't need any kind of buff (except MAYBE a speed boost where she can skate around on her ice blast...), least of all one where her little robot ult thing can pierce Rein's shield. smh
Red Arremer
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People using it should be tarred and feathered, whipped through the streets, and then publicly executed by setting the tar and feathers on fire.
I honestly feel that on console Mei is a much bigger problem. From what I've seen of people playing the PC version (mostly Seagull) Is that since PC players can aim with a mouse they of course have faster and more precise aim. But on console, and the nature of controllers generally make aiming harder and slower. So I feel it its a lot harder to retaliate against a Mei who's freezing you because you're aim slows to a near stand still. I do agree she is pretty non existent in the meta (even on console) but she is definitely more viable on console compared to PC.
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