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Paris Terrorist Attacks, 120+ dead. Do not post hearsay/unsourced/old news.
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I don't know why I do either. I can't help it.
TheAutomator
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No one here likes ISIS and I'm in the UAE. Where do you live bro?
cyberheater
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And as a consequence the western governments has to deal with the carnage that ensues from these terrorist attacks which generally forces us to give up more freedoms to ensure our protection.
I'm starting to get fed up about it. Air travel is now shit after 9/11 due to increase in airport security etc...
Trouble is some news agencies report it like it is a fact before finding out it actually isn't.
Palette Swap
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Not to mention this gives these fuckers the publicity they want.
FreedomFighter
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But I maintain that foreign policy is ultimately at fault for all this, and begets these terror attacks in the first place.
I'm tired of it too. But I think our policies MUST also change.
Mr. Giggles
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Exactly. Imo if Arab governments are unwilling or unable to do this then their western allies either need to pressure them or assist them into doing so
Arrest at Gatwick airport
Posted at 12.49 UK TIME GMT
Police have confirmed they have arrested a man suspected of discarding a package at the North Terminal of Gatwick airport.
Specialists have been called to the airport to investigate the item. The terminal has been evacuated, and some flights have been delayed.
Detective Superintendent Nick May said: "At this time, we are investigating the circumstances of the incident and it is too early to say what the item may be.
"However, given the events in Paris on Friday evening, there is heightened awareness around any such incident and it is best that we treat the matter in all seriousness.
"We are aware that there is concern about what has happened in France, but the general threat level remains the same and people should be aware as usual of anyone acting suspiciously."
BBC
Posted at 12.49 UK TIME GMT
Police have confirmed they have arrested a man suspected of discarding a package at the North Terminal of Gatwick airport.
Specialists have been called to the airport to investigate the item. The terminal has been evacuated, and some flights have been delayed.
Detective Superintendent Nick May said: "At this time, we are investigating the circumstances of the incident and it is too early to say what the item may be.
"However, given the events in Paris on Friday evening, there is heightened awareness around any such incident and it is best that we treat the matter in all seriousness.
"We are aware that there is concern about what has happened in France, but the general threat level remains the same and people should be aware as usual of anyone acting suspiciously."
BBC
Systemic genocides commited by Germans and Japanese were certainly not wars over lands and resources.
I watched all of it. Everyone should know what this looks like.
Just a note: 12.49 in UK time, so this was 10 minutes ago.
Diablohead
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What a terrible night, woke up this morning only to be reminded about what happened 
thoughts go out to everyone involved and their families.
thoughts go out to everyone involved and their families.Yep. Will edit to clarify.
First I hear of it, and unconfirmed
Enter the Dragon Punch
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United we stand.
Mr. Giggles
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You posted a source and ask if this is true, the thread title says not to post if it's hearsay/unconfirmed
It's a Swedish source, so even if it's trustworthy (which it is), he's asking if local media has picked it up.
They just now posted about Bagnolet which has been confirmed as not an incident by police. So I think they're quite behind.
Michael F. Assbender
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Video of what (in particular)? From who?
cyberheater
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I can't see it happening while the western governments thinks they can still win this 'war on terrorism'.
The Arabs don't give a fuck. They've got the oil that the western world badly needs so they can do what the want to. There is no real pressure we could bring into operation.
The real way to fight them is to double down on electric cars and renewable power.
AuthenticM
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Hollande is on TV right now. He said "what happened last night was an act of war commited by Daesh".
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Phone video of people escaping the Bataran during the massacre
valkillmore
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DN and Omni are two of the biggest news media sites in Sweden, but since this is the first I heard of this I wanted to see if somebody else could confirm this since they are stating french media as source.
Source: Le Parisien.
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Yes. I was thinking that. Remove the requirement for the oil. It would probably require more nuclear power stations to be built as well.
FreedomFighter
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Oh, they know it's futile. It's just too much of a boon for defense contractors and other agencies that need terror threats to justify their existence.
Dayner_Kurdi
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a saudi, from madinh
the main puller that supporting that ideology is,
we "arab" must to protect our cultural, heritage and mainly Islam from being westernize, to a lot of us arab, everyone is not a muslim or arab is plotting to harm islam or arab in anyway passable at any time.
sadly some of us took that ideology to seriously and apply it to everyday life to farther their gain, as they spread their poison, the "current" arab generation embrace that way of thinking as its the only and true way to regain our former glory.
basically any intervention from the outside, is viewed as new form of westernize and it is here here to harm us.
boiled goose
good with gravy
So many dead.fuck....
SymbiantXenos
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England v France next week at Wembley called off.
Understandable
Understandable
FreedomFighter
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Word.
Jack The Nipper
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Are there other targets that these guys are wanting to hit?
If it ends up all being the same group, they already pushed in on the russian plane and France? Am I speaking right on this? I don't keep up with these super negative things that much as I hate to feel bad and have things bring me down... but
these two things seem pretty big and close together.
If it ends up all being the same group, they already pushed in on the russian plane and France? Am I speaking right on this? I don't keep up with these super negative things that much as I hate to feel bad and have things bring me down... but
these two things seem pretty big and close together.
DiipuSurotu
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Apparently the 4 men were the terrorists, not policemen. The first report was misunderstood.
The protests in Anbar were already infilitrated by ISIS long time before the army even intervened. ISIS flags were already raised among the protestors, which caused the army to go in to begin with. Anbar province has been a hotbed of terrorism ever since 2003, its population are/were essentially Saddam loyalists. Before ISIS was formed and Al-Qaida popped up in Iraq it was largely thanks to the local support for them in Anbar, to the point where they brought them there and even had them marry their sons and daughters. The flow of terrorism has never been through the south, east or north of Iraq but from the West, from Syria and into Iraq. Why do you think Americans had a harder time capturing the strategic areas there? They weren't under any oppression, and not really any injustice (at least not any more than the rest of Iraq). There's so many ways to disprove how full of shit that statement is but I'm not going to go deep in it as it will go even more off-topic. I know people from Sunni countries believe this shit, and it's further strengthened by the media of their Western allies but you should you should consider the massive agenda GCC and the West have in the region, not to say of course that countries like Turkey and Iran don't have their own.
Also what news in Yemen are you following? ISIS has bombed one or two military camps belonging to GCC in Yemen, have I missed something? Even if I did it's worth noting that ISIS even fight among themselves and the GCC military is basically ISIS in uniform anyway, they just do their actions in a more polished manner thanks to their uniform, diplomatic relations and modern weapons. What you fail to mention here is how Al-Qaida and ISIS has been attacking the Yemeni Army and the Houthis. They popped up in the south as soon as soldiers from the Gulf set foot on the soil and started their operations. Witnesses in those zones have said that they've seen Al Qaida and Saudi soldiers fighting on the same front against the Yemeni Army and Houthis. Two days ago Saudi jets were bombing the Yemeni army and Houthis while Al-Qaida were fighting them on the ground. Nice partnership there mate. Note that I mention the Yemeni Army here, and not simply the Houthis as you try to describe it to make them look like an All-Houthi force to justify your sectarian coalition guilty of countless of war crimes against the Yemeni population.
Out of interest in the topic, in ISIS and how they've affected France let's say in your imaginary world say that Sunnis were oppressed in Iraq (a laughable statement considering its history), or that they weren't treated equally and such. How does this justify giving support to ISIS, or killing French citizens in civilian areas abroad? How does it justify inviting them to your cities and home? I'm asking this because there are groups that are faaaaaaaar wosre oppressed in the world, in Middle east and in non-Middle Eastern countries. Why haven't they resorted to supporting an organization like ISIS? These oppressed groups have been oppressed for decades, and yet you don't see them turning towards a group anything like ISIS or even creating one, whether it is in Middle east, in parts of Europe, in Africa or in Asia. Why does it only seem to be Sunni Muslims that turn or create the worst groups in the world, and why do you people constantly try to find reasons to justify it? It's pretty easy finding videos of Sunni Muslims applauding and cheering for ISIS as they drive through their streets, the support is clearly there. Last year 70 % of the reported terrorism in the world was associatd with Sunni extremist groups, why? Why do people always go with the fabricated lie of "But Sunnis were oppressed" to make ISIS look a bit more understandable?
I know the world in general don't believe Iraqis actually will stand up and fight for their country, regardless of sect, as they face an organization like ISIS. The Sunni world expect them (let's be honest, more specifically you expect non-Sunnis) to just shut up and have ISIS wipe them out, it's usually the status quo in Sunni countries for minorities where it's basically "shut up, get oppressed, get killed sometimes, don't ask for better treatment" and if they try to protest against the injustice your country just label it as Iran, your decades old excuse. In the past it was also "Jews & Israel"
Iran didn't build PMU, also what global support are you exactly talking about? it was formed by the Iraqis in the country. It started out mainly as a force consisting of Shia in response to the invasion of ISIS in the northern parts of Iraq were they executed 1700 (official figures, deathtoll is probably much higher than that) air cadets in Tikrit's Air Academy and started killing any non-Sunni muslim and captured Christians in the areas they took over. That was then, eventually the PMU has brought in a large amount of Iraqi Christians, Sabeans, Turkmen and other minorities to fight against ISIS. Many of them lost their villages or cities to ISIS, while many of them just want to defend their country. Eventually as PMU approached ISIS-held territories they started bringing in more Sunni members in the force. In fact not long ago PMU even provided weapons to Sunni members and tribes in areas that were to be liberated so they could participate in the operations. It's quite mixed.
The PMU has mostly been liberating Sunni cities, and the locals of those cities have been slowly getting back to their homes and resumed a regular life. I say slowly because their houses have usually been booby trapped by ISIS ( a common tactic they use before fighting or retreating) and do claim lives of innocents. Yesterday some PMU forces lost their lives because they were trying to remove bombs from houses in Sunni dominated areas in Beiji. There's countless of local media showing Sunni civilians fleeing from ISIS towards the PMU, being treated by PMU after the liberation of their cities by providing them a safe haven and basic neccesities, and even helping them move back. Local media that is significantly more reliable than whatever the dictatorships in the Gulf or the West reports since they are directly from the ground where the action is taking place. Media that whatever country you live in wouldn't show as it wouldn't fit their pro-ISIS and anti-Iran narrative.
So no, you are lying again, PMU was formed by Iraqis as a response to ISIS, and they've been participating strictly in coordination with the Iraqi army. Given how mixed PMU is today it's hardly derived from Shia ideology, unless you want to say taking care of Sunni citizens, liberating their cities from ISIS and letting them have them live a normal life not under babarians killing them, and arming Sunnis, Christians and ethnic minorities to fight for their villages is a Shia ideology, if so and I only had two choices I'd take it any day over whatever ISIS and Sunnis have shown to provide. It's more correct to say that Iran has been supplying PMU with weapons and money, but they've done that to the Iraqi army as well, so what? Are you against fighting ISIS? Meanwhile the Sunni world never mention the atrocities ISIS has been comitting towards Iraq's Sunni population? Why? Why don't they strongly mention and condemn how ISIS are killing Iraqi Sunnis, why don't they mention these atrocities instead of fabricating ones of groups they oppress? Is it because you can't label it as 'Iran'? Is Sunni on Sunni violence acceptable? Do their lives only have value when a non-Sunni kills them to support an agenda to you?
To address another big lie from you: PMU isn't built on the Iraqi budget, where did you get that from? Al Arabiya? There's been several rifts between the PMU and the Iraqi government ever since last year since the government hasn't been paying them any salaries, none of the budget is allocated for the PMU. They've reportedly complained and told the government they can't support the army in their fight against ISIS because they don't have enough weapons, food, or other basic neccesities. They haven't been funded for months, if not a year already. Meanwhile the Iraqi budget kept funding the Peshmerga, and even Sunni govt. officials living in ISIS territory. Government workers in Mosul kept receiving salary up until 2-3 months ago when it was decided to finally cut it, you'd figure that they would have already stopped giving them money when Mosul immediately fell under ISIS, but apparently they weren't that smart. Essentially what I'm saying here is that up until a few months ago the government funded the: army, peshmerga, and Sunni government officials in ISIS areas while PMU got nothing.
I suppose in the Sunni world, having your countrymen take care of you, liberate your cities and removing bombs from your home equals to horrifying acts if it wasn't done by a Sunni (I bet they'd question it if it was a Sunni as well). It certainly explains this kind of mentality:
You need to stop spreading misinformation. You've done this so far in the thread:
- Wrong information about the "protests" in Iraq and why the army intervened.
- Lying about Sunnis in Iraq being oppressed or facing injustice to justify their support for ISIS.
- Trying to make ISIS/Al-Qaida look like they are on the Yemeni Army & Houthi side, when it has been shown that the sectarian coalition in Yemen, Al Qaida and ISIS are fighting on the same side against them.
- Lying about PMU being created by Iran, and furthermore lying that it's derived by a Shia ideology. It's not based on any religious ideology. It's a movement formed against an organization, the same organization that seems to have attacked Paris who want to wipe them out.
- Lying about the PMU receiving money from the Iraqi budget.
- Stop reading Al Arabiya or whatever you follow, and stop with your conspiracies. It's making you sound like a crazy nutjob. People in this thread might genuinely be interested to know who these attackers are, where they originate from and whom they are attacking and you're trying to paint these attackers as something they aren't.
ISIS isn't formed out of some oppression or injustice. It's formed from two interchangable ideologies in Sunni Islam which treats anyone but themselves, including Sunnis that differ from them, as dirt. They rank these people and are even allowed to kill some of them on the spot. The rank would be something like (from most to least likeable):
Sunni
Christians/Jews
Atheists
Non-Sunni Muslims (Shia Muslims etc.)
In fact the last one means instant death, although I wouldn't be surprised if they'd kill atheists on the spot as well. They follow this ideology, and they believe in it. This is why you have so many of them coming from countries where they have a safe life (the wealthy developed Gulf States, the safer North African countries, European countries, America and parts of Asia). They abandon it because they believe in this very ideology, an ideology that is actively promoted in some of the worst countries (and in turn the wealthiest) in Middle East.
ISIS may have attacked Paris, partially as revenge for French airstrikes on them, but majority of them believe in this ideology and killed French citizens for the simple fact that they are French and not followers of their radical branch/faith. The sooner you admit this, instead of trying to disassociate it with Islam in favor of turning it into some grand Iran-Shia scheme with your conspiracy, the better. I can totally accept that it's not the mainstream view in Sunni Islam if that's your concern, because it isn't, but it doesn't ignore the fact that it exists and that it has sizeable amount of followers, not only followers but also sympathizers
To be honest I think people can expect more attacks to happen in France in the future, I said the same last time they suffered from terrorism as well. I've mentioned this before in other threads related to France but North Africans, Tunisians in specific, make up the largest bulk of foreign fighters in ISIS. Think about it this way, Saudi Arabia is a country where ISIS ideology is more or less promoted by many of their clerics, albeit in a more organized manner. Despite that ISIS has surprisingly about twice as less amount of Saudi nationals among its ranks compared to Tunisian nationals based on estimates. Now, France is the country where most of the European ISIS fighters come from, and most of them have North African heritage, few of them are actually native French (if any?). I think people can figure out the connection here.
The ideology ISIS follows originates mainly from Saudi Arabia, and given how cozy the relationship between France (or other western countries) and KSA is you can expect ISIS ideology and variants of it to stay for a long time to come because much like Israel GCC is untouchable.
Poodlestrike
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Honestly, while there has to be a change in the long-term approach to fighting terrorism and terrorist ideologies... short term, we're pretty much stuck with the old school. We cannot allow ISIS to continue to exist so long as they organize and executes attacks such as this. Because if we don't act soon... they might do it again. Not a risk the global community is going to be willing to take, IMO.
Long term, yeah, we need to figure out some kind of social engineering pressure to place on Arab countries where this stuff begins, but that's really not going to remove the immediate threat. And clearly it is immediate. It's one thing to talk about noninterventionism when ISIS is limited to tearing up the area immediately around them, about backing local groups so they can solve their own problems and assist in containment, but now? Now there's a clock on.
Long term, yeah, we need to figure out some kind of social engineering pressure to place on Arab countries where this stuff begins, but that's really not going to remove the immediate threat. And clearly it is immediate. It's one thing to talk about noninterventionism when ISIS is limited to tearing up the area immediately around them, about backing local groups so they can solve their own problems and assist in containment, but now? Now there's a clock on.
That's quite the persecution complex.
captainnapalm
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The narrative that the likes of France, the UK and the US are not doing enough to combat terrorism/ISIS and must now really step up its efforts after this latest attack doesn't really make any logical sense.
These countries are already massive players in this ongoing conflict, and spend most of their time exacerbating the situation.
France was a major player in what happened in Libya and are also more concerned with emboldening Assad's enemies in Syria than trying to restore order in that country. Terrorists continue to step into the vacuums and chaotic situations the West is helping to create.
What's more, the West's Arab allies like Qatar and Saudi Arabia are the biggest funders of Sunni terrorism, yet are never taken to task for it.
Hollande may talk a good game but his government's actions are in fact greatly responsible for endangering the lives of French citizens.
These countries are already massive players in this ongoing conflict, and spend most of their time exacerbating the situation.
France was a major player in what happened in Libya and are also more concerned with emboldening Assad's enemies in Syria than trying to restore order in that country. Terrorists continue to step into the vacuums and chaotic situations the West is helping to create.
What's more, the West's Arab allies like Qatar and Saudi Arabia are the biggest funders of Sunni terrorism, yet are never taken to task for it.
Hollande may talk a good game but his government's actions are in fact greatly responsible for endangering the lives of French citizens.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Three detonated suicide vests, the fourth was shot dead by the police.
While we're far from the AIDS-scare in the eighties, being gay and engaging in sexual intercourse with other men puts you, statistically speaking, in a HIV risk category that's significantly higher compared to people who do not.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/
Excluding certain groups further decreases the risk of transmitting HIV through blood transfusions. It's not a way to judge you for your sexual preferences, it's medical risk reduction based on proven statistical data.
I mean, I totally understand that it feels like discrimination and it is, but post-donation blood testing is not a 100% guarantee and mistakes do happen. Measures are taken at every step of the blood-donation process to reduce risk.
But let's get back on-topic, shall we.
"- 13h08. Une voiture force un péage dans les Yvelines (Sud-Ouest de Paris).
Selon nos informations la police traque une voiture de type Citroën Berlingo à bord de laquelle se trouvait quatre personnes lourdement armés et qui a forcé le péage de l'A10 à auteur Ablis (Yvelines) en direction de Paris."
That's an hour ago, why is it not bigger news?
You can also cut down the number of people that follow that ideology by educating people and giving them better options. Unfortunately we have a situation here where young people are easily influenced and start doing horrible things.
Dayner_Kurdi
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sadly but that is the true.
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