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[chrislowe]

What about it? It's a shitty response to a good thing.



What's your excuse?

My excuse for what?.

Just googled a little, and found lots of articles of young muslims agree with IS

Like this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

edit: well, not 40% agree with IS, but want their laws.
So if aso 40% of the young muslims in Canada think its ok to kill innocent people, you should be a little bit worried atleast.

 

[Klyka]

Glad to see the Jewish

I...I don't follow?

 

[Maninthemirror]

who the fuck goes to a suicide mission with their passport... Clearly attempting to get the west to turn on the refugees.

If it was a passport it was on purpose to result in stoking a reaction against local/regional nationals of Muslim origin which would create more recruits for a supposed war of civilizations

 

[Shiggy]

I think the question is more why would he give a fuck about being obligatory before blowing himself up?

That's like a guy getting his wallet and phone before he hangs himself.

It doesn't make sense.

In case of an ID check his mission would have been in danger. In that case he might have had to detonate his bomb early, not kill as many people, and also risk failure of the other attacks. So it makes perfect sense to bring it. No reason to see some kind of conspiracy to make refugees look bad.

 

[mnz]

Is this like that "Muslims to overtake christians in UK by 2035" post from yesterday again where it was then cleared up that there are 1.35 million muslims in the UK, 1.50 million christians and a total population of 60million?

Some weird numbers in your post. 1.5 million christians? What
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom#Statistics

 

[Pepiope]

Christians: 67.2%
Non-religious: 23.9%
Muslims: 3.2%

Try again.

Non-religious isn't a religion. Lol.

 

[DudeWithNoName]

Why the fuck is he allowed in the country then? It's like the Sydney hostage attack where they knew the guy was violent and extreme. Get these extremists out.

I saw on the news last night (American, so take with a grain of salt), French security knows of over 400 who have gone to terrorist training camps and returned to France. They are trying to keep tabs on them. Seems to me they could start there. Pick up every single one of them.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Having sex with someone who has HIV puts you at risk regardless of their sexual orientation, for example in Ireland 38.1% of people who contracted HIV were heterosexual. 9% were unknown. Yet gay men giving blood is still banned. Its an outdated discriminatory standard.

If anything, you are proving the point of the exclusion criteria.

Men who have sex with men make up a relatively tiny part of the total population, yet they are statistically speaking the group where the majority of total HIV transmissions and infections take place.
According to the CDC page I linked earlier, men who have sex with men make up about 2% of the total US population, yet this relatively tiny group is associated with 72%+ of all HIV infections in the US among the 13-24 age range, for example. A large majority, and as such, men who have sex with men pose a greater risk of transmitting HIV through blood donation in comparison with other groups. Hence, their exclusion.

Sorry for going OT again. Let's shelve this discussion now.

 

[chrislowe]

Christians: 67.2%
Non-religious: 23.9%
Muslims: 3.2%

Try again.

Non-religious arent a religion.

 

[Klyka]

Some weird numbers in your post. 1.5 million christians? What
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom#Statistics

It's not my numbers. God dammit where is this dumb post from yesterday with that article.
Ugh now I have to go through the entire god damn thread.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

So if aso 40% of the young muslims in Canada think its ok to kill innocent people, you should be a little bit worried atleast.

No, because not all of us are paranoid and operate on fear.

 

[woen]

Why the fuck is he allowed in the country then? It's like the Sydney hostage attack where they knew the guy was violent and extreme. Get these extremists out.

You know that we still live in democracies, where the is something call the law and the right of citizens ? And where would you bring them if they are only French (most are) ? How do you do that for 1500 people ?

 

[coleco]

When on a suicide mission, one must always remember to follow local identification laws apparently.

I wouldn't know, but if on his way to the stadium he would have been stopped by police for identification (quite common when going to mass events like football games) he could have provided the passport and been let go on his way. If he didn't have any form of identification the police would have retained him until finding out who he was and he wouldn't have been able to reach his destiny. Also, if for whatever reason he would have aborted his mission he would have been just one more in the crowd instead of someone without identification, which always raises concern among police.

Carrying an id lets you get everywhere and not be suspect to police, not the other way around.

 

[Tugatrix]

My excuse for what?.

Just googled a little, and found lots of articles of young muslims agree with IS

Like this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

So if aso 40% of the young muslims in Canada think its ok to kill innocent people, you should be a little bit worried atleast.

a big part of Christians thinks it's ok to use death penalty and torture, people just being people

 

[TheOrangeKid007]

If it was a passport it was on purpose to result in stoking a reaction against local/regional nationals of Muslim origin which would create more recruits for a supposed war of civilizations

And you know this...how exactly?

 

[mnz]

It's not my numbers. God dammit where is this dumb post from yesterday with that article.
Ugh now I have to go through the entire god damn thread.

Guess I got that "cleared up" part wrong then, sounded like those were yours.

 

[cyberheater]

I saw on the news last night (American, so take with a grain of salt), French security knows of over 400 who have gone to terrorist training camps and returned to France. They are trying to keep tabs on them. Seems to me they could start there. Pick up every single one of them.

Why keep tabs on them. I think it should be a criminal offence if you train to be a terrorist and they should not have been allowed to reenter the country. If they try to smuggle in. Arrest and deportation. Fuck human rights. Enough is enough.

 

[PdotMichael]

You carry your ID in your wallet all the time. It isn't a decision you do every day before leaving your home.

Not sure what so crazy about it.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Non-religious isn't a religion. Lol.

Non-religious arent a religion.

Semantics. They'd still have to outnumber that belief group to "take over the country" (whatever that means).

Any my post was mostly just to highlight that the percentage of Muslims in Canada is minuscule.

 

[C4Lukins]

I...I don't follow?

A joke assuming that the 57 million other people living in the UK are Jewish.

 

[Klyka]

Guess I got that "cleared up" part wrong then, sounded like those were yours.

Nah I was refrencing a really stupid post made last night where some guy was also fear mongering about muslims overtaking britain and stuff like that.

Something with sharia laws.

 

[Nuova]

a big part of Christians thinks it's ok to use death penalty and torture, people just being people

Key word "innocent."

 

[cyba89]

I watched all of it. Everyone should know what this looks like.

Why? I don't need to see terror to know that it's horrible. Don't need to watch stuff like this.

 

[Chakan]

Is there any full english translation of this?

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experi...ges/2015/11/14/tweet-665481792040890368-2.jpg

There's a french one.

ISIS said it was responsible for the attacks and that it was "carefully planned".

 

[nilbog21]

I do think the attack going ahead yesterday was partially a response to the killing of Jihadi John.

It was obviously in the works for a while, however I personally believe his death was the catalyst that made them attack sooner.

The media certainly doesn't help by glamourising people like him.

i doubt anyone outside the west cares about jihadi john.. guy was a tool

 

[Maninthemirror]

And you know this...how exactly?

It's what Isis wants, it's common knowledge , more recruits for them, which is why the best solution is kill them in Syria and not stoke a reaction against locals which gets them recruits from elsewheee

 

[Xando]

Why keep tabs on them. I think it should be a criminal offence if you train to be a terrorist and they should not have been allowed to reenter the country. If they try to smuggle in. Arrest and deportation. Fuck human rights. Enough is enough.

Pretty much. They've made their decision by going there. Throw them into a prison cell if they want to enter the country again.

 

[Beefy]

Does it really matter if he was Syrian or not? You shouldn't demonise a whole country because of one psycho. Only idiots would brand a whole country terrorists.

 

[Grizzo]

There's a french one.

ISIS said it was responsible for the attacks and that it was "carefully planned".

Okay just finished reading it. This is chilling.

 

[JustenP88]

There's a french one.

ISIS said it was responsible for the attacks and that it was "carefully planned".

Wtf. They have a professional looking letterhead with a corporate-esque logo?

 

[Beefy]

You carry your ID in your wallet all the time. It isn't a decision you do every day before leaving your home.

Not sure what so crazy about it.

I don't.

 

[Oersted]

Why keep tabs on them. I think it should be a criminal offence if you train to be a terrorist and they should not have been allowed to reenter the country. If they try to smuggle in. Arrest and deportation. Fuck human rights. Enough is enough.

Has been a criminal offence since 2012

 

[mnz]

Wtf. They have a professional looking letterhead with a corporate-esque logo?

Yeah, they are well funded and organised, including very popular social media presence.

 

[Shiggy]

Does it really matter if he was Syrian or not? You shouldn't demonise a whole country because of one psycho. Only idiots would brand a whole country terrorists.

It does matter as we have no proper checks in Europe anymore on who is entering and passing through our countries. If he was Syrian, fears about ISIS members entering while pretending to be a war refugees seem to be accurate. We need better border patrols and checks in that case.

Why else does it matter? Syrian war refugees will be demonized even more now.

 

[Klyka]

Guess I got that "cleared up" part wrong then, sounded like those were yours.

here is the article

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1936418/Practising-Muslims-will-outnumber-Christians-by-2035.html

It's about "practicing" muslims and "church going" christians

 

[cyberheater]

Does it really matter if he was Syrian or not? You shouldn't demonise a whole country because of one psycho. Only idiots would brand a whole country terrorists.

It's not just one psycho is it. It's now a continuous stream of terrorists doing this activity which is causing increasing threat levels and due to the level of sophistication and planning, the west seems powerless to defend itself.

 

[nib95]

My excuse for what?.

Just googled a little, and found lots of articles of young muslims agree with IS

Like this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

edit: well, not 40% agree with IS, but want their laws.
So if aso 40% of the young muslims in Canada think its ok to kill innocent people, you should be a little bit worried atleast.

What a silly post. Because a percentage of young Muslims want laws that consider their religion, they automatically support ISIS? What kind of dangerous and twisted logic is that?

There isn't even a pre defined thing as Sharia law, it is literally just law that is based on Islamic or Quranic literature, and different country to country. It's the reason some Muslim countries have less strict laws than others, despite them still following "sharia".

 

[BossDarkseid]

Eugh just found out one of my old school friends is missing having been in Paris last night...I haven't talked to them regularly in years but...not to sound obvious but until it happens to you, you only hear about these things by proxy and feel a bit disassociated from it...

My thoughts and prayers go to the victims and their families, of course.

So it's not the greatest to have woken up this morning, check Facebook and see someone ranting about it all being a false flag zionist conspiracy...

 

[Palette Swap]

I'm assuming this is a Lowe thing.

 

[Lime]

 

[Zaph]

Why keep tabs on them. I think it should be a criminal offence if you train to be a terrorist and they should not have been allowed to reenter the country. If they try to smuggle in. Arrest an jail. No trial.

'Knowing' is one thing, proving is another. A lot of these guys go via Turkey, a very popular tourist destination. If I'm an intelligence analyst and I see a guy who meets a certain profile traveling to Turkey alone for a long holiday, and comes back with no souvenirs, no photos, and no social media updates, I 'know' he was probably up to no good. All you can do at that point is add their name to a long list of suspects and try to track them. If you attempt to arrest them, the court will throw the case out.

 

[cyberheater]

Has been a criminal offence since 2012

Then why are they allowed to reenter the country? Send them back.

 

[Beefy]

It does matter as we have no proper checks in Europe anymore on who is entering and passing through our countries. If he was Syrian, fears about ISIS members entering while pretending to be a war refugees seem to be accurate. We need better border patrols and checks in that case.

Why else does it matter? Syrian war refugees will be demonized even more now.

You mean mainland Europe. You don't demonise a whole nation just because of a few crazies.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Our news team Made this

 

[C4Lukins]

Does it really matter if he was Syrian or not? You shouldn't demonise a whole country because of one psycho. Only idiots would brand a whole country terrorists.

There are few people to route for in Syria these days. You have Assad and Russia on one side, and then you have ISIS, and then you have the rebels who have a questionable track record. The only good guys seem to be those fleeing the situation.

 

[Oersted]

Then why are they allowed to reenter the country? Send them back.

I don't know what happened in this specific case

 

[Tarkus]

Fox News: 3 different attackers has passports from Syria, Egypt, and France.

Apologize if it's already been posted.

 

[Beefy]

It's not just one psycho is it. It's now a continuous stream of terrorists doing this activity which is causing increasing threat levels and due to the level of sophistication and planning, the west seems powerless to defend itself.

I meant as in one person with a Syrian passport, obviously there are more then one. Also far more attacks etc are stopped then actually happen in the West, so I wouldn't call it powerless. If a terrorists group wants to do something like this enough then in the end it will happen. No one can stop stuff like this happening 100%.

 

[Pepiope]

Is there really a "debate" as to we gay men shouldn't be allowed to donate blood in here?

 

[MilkyJoe]

Shame there are too many fuckwits that don't get this.