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Paris Terrorist Attacks, 120+ dead. Do not post hearsay/unsourced/old news.
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There's nothing stupid about fear itself, especially given the context which as you said is understandable, but when one allows it to promote terrible and dangerous policies, ideologies, agendas etc, that's when things get messier.
They'd likely do all of that, but what alternative do you suggest?
Isn't the point of suicide attacks to blast shrapnel outwards? It's not as if items haven't survived more drstructive explosions.
Little Monser
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Just what exactly does ISIS want to achieve? I swear there's still a question mark over it no?
DontBeThatGuy
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i believe it's true, but not related.
How long have you been asleep?
People on my Facebook actually moaning about others changing their profile picture to show support... What...
Not long. I just didn't access any media yesterday or this morning.
When exactly did these attacks occur?
Palette Swap
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It is. 100% unrelated. It's an accident involving a high speed train they were testing.
fixedpoint
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So apparently some dude on a bike arrived in the street near Bataclan and played "Imagine" in front of the crowd today. Where does that piano even come from
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-11-14/...ennons-imagine-outside-bataclan-concert-hall/
EDIT: HuffingtonPost says it's a "mobile piano-bike"
Thank you for posting this.
But reaping the ultimate reward for doing so instead of sacrificing yourself is a difference that should not be denied. The expectation of paradise turns a self-transcending sacrifice into an act that can easily be motivated by much more egoistic considerations.
Terror. They can't take the western countries by military might, but they can instil fear and strengthen their reputation so more radicals will flock to them. Furthermore by tarnishing all Muslims in the eye of the western countries, they lay the groundwork for racism and us-vs-them in all communities, driving once again muslims who experienced racism and fear to them.
The Artisan
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cnn must've been really off about something because last night they went from 149 to 153 people killed
It's not that weird. You just said one reason...they didn't want their plan to get screwed up by getting stopped by the police on the way. Another probable explanation is that they want their passport to be found. That's how they get their martyrdom status. Also, their goal could be to introduce more chaos in the immigration situation in Europe.
Over reacting to what?
How should one react to 8 dudes shooting hundreds easy as you like?
We can help refugees without exposing ourselves to a huge security risk.
They are licking their chops at this. I hope Europe isnt duped like we were.
Relaxed Muscle
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ISIS is recruiting people inside the EU countries too.
There's no bigger security risk than that....
Led_Zeppelin
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No?. I mean I know this is all confusing for most people, understanding why and how Muslims separate themselves and basically are in a civil war in mostly all the Middle east, but ISIS goal is pretty clear. Create a Caliphate (which they have and are just trying to expand) and gather all the Sunni Muslims under it and attack anyone that attacks their way of life and existence.
Is not hard to understand.
SenkiDala
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If you talk about the guy (who made the video) repeating "qu'est ce qu'il se passe?" it means "what's happening?".
A few details: the person who made this video is a journalist at Le Monde, after this video he rescued some people (to bring them in his building) he was shot in the left arm (but he's ok now) they rescued an American person who was severly injured.
On the woman hanging at the window at the end says "I'll let go, I'm pregnant" so another woman go to help her.
Yes there is. The potential army flooding in from the south for a start.
Apparently countries should just keep near open boarders, no matter what the risk. It's ridiculous. Completely closing the boarders is probably a bit much, but the numbers they let in should be reduced and more strict background checks should be enforced.
Carl2291
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I'd say it's more selfish than stupid. If it severely reduces the chances of an attack like this happening in Britain then people will be quick to choose that, rather than take the risk of letting someone like these terrorists enter the country. As minimal as that risk actually is.
Fear breeds that kind of mentality in people. Just be thankful that a majority will likely disagree with the petition.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Seriously.
Some of elaborate excuses/theories I'm reading of people trying to over analyze how these terrorists operated and carried out their acts and trying to paint the whole thing as some false flag operation or how the terrorists did this to screw over the refugees is crazy. They did this to kill people. They were likely carrying passports to not get caught. I doubt anyone planted passports on their corpses.
Will their actions have blowback on the refugee populations? Most likely, especially if these guys sneaked in among all the legitimate refugees trying to flee ISIS. That would be really unfortunate but at the same time, hopefully give some cause for some of these European countries to have a bit more order in accepting these refugees. I just don't think ISIS carried out this attack to get at the refugees so much as just wanting to kill Western civilians on Western soil and make a big show of it.
To make people in these countries angry or fearful enough to hurt themselves (by curtailing freedoms, stoke xenophobia, starting a costly ground invasion, etc). That how asymetrical warfare works.
GTS300Coupe
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Must be nice judging people from the comfort of your home.
Pancake Mix
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Europe is in a state of shock right now. Fear about potential crazies (probably including second and third generation radicals) is going to be around.
...The French police reportedly found passports, period, end of story. Doesn't seem that unlikely either since ISIS might have even wanted them to be found despite seven of them ultimately blowing themselves up. Are you really trying to make this a conspiracy theory?
...The French police reportedly found passports, period, end of story. Doesn't seem that unlikely either since ISIS might have even wanted them to be found despite seven of them ultimately blowing themselves up. Are you really trying to make this a conspiracy theory?
Well, I mean to get on those planes the 9/11 hijackers would have needed the passports, no? But this situation, it doesn't seem like there's much of a reason for them to be there.
Ugh.
BlazingDarkness
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If I were to guess I would say it's a mixture of apathy and fear. The general UK population can do nothing to resolve things in the Middle East (and I'd argue that most people don't even understand what is happening there), and due to the fear brought about by these kind of terror attacks, people would rather close the borders and separate themselves from the conflict and the fall out (including refugees, immigrants) because they fear involvement will invite more terror at the hands of Islamic extremists.
Poetic.Injustice
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Easier said than done. How do you do background checks on a person who's from a warzone?
Sho_Nuff82
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No, they have a quite detailed system of beliefs, areas they wish to conquer, society they wish to establish, even an endgame that ties into their belief of the end of the world.
Was put together in detail by Newsweek or Time last year.
Ooccoo
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More attacks incoming?
http://www.ibtimes.com/paris-attack...ris-suburbs-amid-fears-another-attack-2184651
http://www.ibtimes.com/paris-attack...ris-suburbs-amid-fears-another-attack-2184651
Relaxed Muscle
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Those people already are legal citizens of the countries they want to attack. They have a freedom of movement refugees dosn't have.
I don't think refugees can beat that...
On 29 June 2014, the group proclaimed itself to be a worldwide caliphate, with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi being named its caliph, and renamed itself ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah (الدولة الإسلامية, "Islamic State" (IS)). As a caliphate, it claims religious, political and military authority over all Muslims worldwide, and that "the legality of all emirates, groups, states, and organisations, becomes null by the expansion of the khilāfah's [caliphate's] authority and arrival of its troops to their areas".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
Hopefully this makes EU countries reconsider their immigration policies. Don't really care whose sensibilities this offends; it's plainly obvious that taking in even more immigrants with misogynistic, homophobic and overall intolerant attitudes is only going to exacerbate the problem.
Yes I'm sure the people of Paris feel stupid to see the risk as anything but minimal.
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The strictest of background checks should always be done anyway. It's fucking shameful they aren't. If that means slowing down the whole process, so be it.
Indeed. But always worth keeping similarities in mind.
At least they're hot on their tails.
If refugees can't go where they want how do they get to Sweden?
He was a tool, however I believe he has influenced many in the West to join ISIS.
We can't keep portraying him and others as idols.
SenkiDala
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Ah, no he says "Oscar, Oscar" which must be the name of one of his friend/relative, I don't know, but it's sure he says "Oscar" again and again, not "on the ground".
I'm sure people know this already but this is the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin, in a square called Pariser Platz which was named after Prussia defeated France in 1814. Just adds a little bit of significance imo to see it lit up in the French colours.
Have to say I got a right lump in my throat earlier seeing buildings all over the world lit up like the French flag.
BlazingDarkness
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It's probably not that difficult to ascertain if a refugee has been involved in militia activities.
They were actually testing the rails (the line should open next year), not the train. 7 deads, if I've understand correctly, among the technicians aboad.
Most probably unrelated, indeed (should you damage the rails, you would chose a commercial line, not one closed to commercial traffic, I'd say). Still really sad... It's the first time there is casualties in a high-speed train on a high-speed line in France :/
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