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Paris Terrorist Attacks, 120+ dead. Do not post hearsay/unsourced/old news.
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Vilix
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What does holding ground have to do with anything when you can strike anywhere at anytime? In the past two week ISIS has killed more than 200 people. Not including this terrorist act. The Obama administration either doesn't have a clue how to handle this, or doesn't want to. And neither the press or public has held his feet to the fire on it.
Ah I wasn't aware that happened. Not a huge gain but a gain nonetheless.
His Majesty
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Always the same shit after every catastrophe, it's getting pretty annoying.
Bam Bam Baklava
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You were discussing a quote, we provided context for that quote and why he said it. What exactly is your problem?
The full quote shows he fully admits that they haven't done enough to the command and control structure of the group.
Cereal Enthusiast
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Manuel Valls (Prime Minister) just said on TV that they're going to strike back, as hard as we've been hit.
Led_Zeppelin
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Why would the Kurds allied themselves with a the Sunni opposition? The Kurds are an ethnicity that have always been treated like shit by the Sunnis (even though Kurds are Sunnis as well) and the Shiites only because they are not Arab. The kurds of Syria and Iraq aren't fighting for any other thing that their own independence. And I don't think Turkey will want a Kurdstan nation at their southern border when they already have several Kurds that would want to start a revolution themselves and join that nation.
RPGCrazied
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So was it ISIS or not? Still can't get conformation who it was.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
I cant repeat that enough, and Turkey's actions the past year have only harden my position.
The Incarnation
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Shit, thought it was just me annoyed by this shit. lol
Wouldn't be so bad if they changed their cover photo. But seeing someone's ugly mug with a French flag over it is pretty grim.
Yes.
Calm waterfall
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Of course you can. Education is the most powerful weapon against ignorance. I acknowledge that not everyone has the possibility to get an education, but if the vast majority get an education, the effect of radicalism will be much less significant that it is today.
RPGCrazied
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Do we know anything about what is being done?
Bam Bam Baklava
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It's clear NATO will get involved with the campaign. It's important to recall that many members have been adamantly against getting involved. Canada recently withdrew from their relatively small role.
jimbobsmells
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Well if their aim was to whip up anti-refugee sentiment this is the way to go about it:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/14/syrian-greece-refugee-paris-attacks-killers
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/14/syrian-greece-refugee-paris-attacks-killers
entremet
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It just happened last night. Plans don't happen overnight.
Not yet, just that France will respond and is continuing with targeted strikes.
RedSparrows
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OT: FYI, we tried that in the UK, turns out it was a massive con. Who would have thought!
RedSparrows
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I can't quite put my finger on why the FB 'flag' pictures irritate me. The people doing it are good, moral people, or so I believe. It's heartfelt, but it feels... cheap? to me. I can't quite articulate it.
His full quote gives a good assessment of the situation.
Maninthemirror
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Why is it that the conversation always comes down to sullying a person revered by all Muslims to get back at the few Muslims. Most Muslims don't believe the framing of the issues and events of Muhammad but you do and extremists do , why is that
The Incarnation
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This is absolutely essential reading for anyone even remotely interested in knowing what fuels the actions of Islamic State.
Thanks for sharing. I hope everyone in this thread reads this. Truly sheds light on what is going on over there.
Maninthemirror
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Why is my believe in something a negative in this entire event? You are again framing my belief as a moderate as an 'issue' thus casting a bad light on all Muslim not just the extremists. Why? What does my belief have to do with what terrorists did ?
Of course we are, asshole. And his government has a responsability in it.
boiled goose
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What Muhammad is or was is almost irrelevant. He likely was a warlord and pedophile among other terrible things.
That doesn't mean we should generalize what Muslims believe
So while i agree with the sentiment, we can't deny facts either.
Bam Bam Baklava
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The American that was killed was Nohemi Gonzalez, a study abroad student from Cal State Long Beach.
according to CNN.
according to CNN.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
Maninthemirror
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Im pretty sure this will be looked at as an attack on the way of living of Muslims as they are told to follow all the examples of the Holy Prophet but let's see if anyone disagrees with you on your perverted views or if it's left alone as an accepted view by most in the west
Hi GAF, another awful time in France, 2015 is such a black year for my country.
Damn I'm so ashamed of humanity sometimes. I was devastated this morning. Now I'm angry, I'm a calm and pacific person and they make me want the french army to destroy them.
I'm gonna have a child in this damned world soon. I have a 3-days training course planned in Paris next Tuesday. I will probably cancel it because my wife is too worried, and I don't want her to be too much stressed while pregnant.
I hate that those crazy fools kinda won on this.
Damned it's so fucked up.
Thoughts to the families of course, thanks for the support from all over the world.
Damn I'm so ashamed of humanity sometimes. I was devastated this morning. Now I'm angry, I'm a calm and pacific person and they make me want the french army to destroy them.
I'm gonna have a child in this damned world soon. I have a 3-days training course planned in Paris next Tuesday. I will probably cancel it because my wife is too worried, and I don't want her to be too much stressed while pregnant.
I hate that those crazy fools kinda won on this.
Damned it's so fucked up.
Thoughts to the families of course, thanks for the support from all over the world.
SmackAttack
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I don't think that applies to everyone who does it. Some people might feel so helpless that something as small as that is the least they could do, even if it means nothing in the end. I haven't done it to my profile but I think some people do it with good intentions.
Yeah, the only thing Chino has commented on is that they are all accounted for and canceled all 3 shows. They've returned to California. He's not talking about it anymore for now, definitely dont blame him
Because he was talking about the actual territorial holdings of ISIS in Iraq and Syria. That's literally exactly what he was talking about. The ability of a small group of people to shoot up a public area has nothing to do with an organization's size and capability as a de facto state.
But you're absurdly turning a terrorist attack in France into a partisan attack on the President of the United States so I know it's fruitless to debate this with you.
Interesting read but why do we really care what their ideology is? Did we have to care about the Nazi ideology before doing something?
No, we have to address the root of the problem, and that problem is the ones that are financing ISIS.
Mr. Giggles
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Or it's just an expression of solidarity, that's why I did it.
gutter_trash
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historical figures who walked the Earth and changed history are historical figures who have left behind records and facts on their imprint as historical figures.
He was a man, and had a history
TheLostBigBoss
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how is that an attack on Muslims?
I can hold that view and not think any less of people who follow the religion, just like how I don't think Christians are evil because the bible had stoning women in it.
Hardly a perverted view.
Maninthemirror
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And a rewritten history which you accept over which most Muslims accept. That's like Russians bawking at a founding father and accepting a rewritten history and you countering it
Don't cancel shit Tom, show some courage at least for your wife
Maninthemirror
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Wait holding the man whose examples are to be followed as a pedophile and a warlord is not attacking thr way of life of Muslim? Most Muslims don't accept those histrionics , why are you
Is this a trick question? Yes of-fucking-course you need to have a bit of insight in what moves these people. Are you honestly arguing against that?
Completely misunderstanding IS has already lead to major fuckups in planned intervention and military strategies against them.
Led_Zeppelin
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You should read the art of war. The first thing you have to do is understand your enemy. Understanding ISIS is the first step towards knowing how to operate against them. Not understanding the region (or understanding to well) is what caused this chaos in the first place. Do you want Syria to turn into Iraq 2.0? Because that is what will happen if NATO invades without a single clue of what to do once Iran and Syria, ISIS, The kurds, and the several Sunnis extremist are gone.
The best you can do is to understand the region as well as you understand your own so you can't be lie to about the things NATO will do in the region. If people knew about the Shia/Sunni/Kurds situation as well as they know their own ethnicity/religion and people in their country, I doubt people would have supported the Iraq invasion or letting a Pro Iran Shia be the PM of Iraq.
I'm not afraid myself, but she is. She's almost begging me to not go. I would go for one day but 3 days are too much to handle for her. Pregnant women need support you know. But yeah, that sucks a lot that I have to cancel this.
TheLostBigBoss
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So holding different opinions on things like religious/historical people, specifically a man who lived over a thousand years ago is an attack on billions of peoples way of life?
With that logic if I said that most of the founding fathers were slave owning shitbags, I'm literally attacking all of America and those who hold it dear.
Sounds pretty delusional to me.
It´s not an attack. It´s his view and opinion upon it.
I'd say Muslims have an interest in Mohammed being as clean and presentable as possible, seeing how they,you know, believe in him as their Prophet, while people not part of the religion might care more about the "historic facts" surrounding the man.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Maninthemirror
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It's a rewriting of history not a different opinion, your view of Muhammad is completely different to what Muslim history over 1400 years has. Your view is that which was introduced during the crusades to build a battle of ideas between Christianity and Islam and you are accepting this rewritten history over the Muslim version because..... Why ?
Odd that your previous post condemned another poster, whose post caused you to infer intent to state a generality about those who hold a type of belief, but now you describe how all Muslims are supposed to live and how most of the west views a topic. Aren't those also generalizations? I'm confused on when these types of statements are bad and when they are okay? It's okay for you to make a general statement about how all Muslims are supposed to live, but it's not okay for another poster to be critical of how a single person lived 1500 years ago?
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