What makes you think they're not? Most of them don't exactly wear niqabs, they're part of the local population. I also take it that you haven't seen this GIF:
/of discussion on this matter
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Paris Terrorist Attacks, 120+ dead. Do not post hearsay/unsourced/old news.
- Thread starter chadskin
- Start date
- Status
/of discussion on this matter
What i don't like about it is that it gives people a sense of having done something without doing anything.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Stay safe.Dude.
This isn't the thread for that, and if people have differing views on Mohammad, let them.
Slacktivism.
It annoys me sometimes, but I'm sure most people have their hearts in the right place with events like these.
There's some people that say this was inevitable. People have a misconception that going into Iraq caused all these problems. When in fact U.S intelligence agents have been spooked by the growing number of radicals since the 80s.
This problem didn't materialize in the last 10-15 years. It's been there, ironically kept under control by nasty dictators.
can we have one thread involving muslims where you dont start telling everyone what to think? you got schooled the last tme you tried it, and i would rather not read it
Uh ? I've never said I expected anyone to take responsibility for terrorism, I don't know where you got that from.
I was simply replying to your "french people don't consider muslim people french" argument. I'm sure that's partly true but people also have to understand that a growing part of the french muslim population doesn't want to be included and doesn't want to be considered french. And no that's just a consequence to the recent attacks and the backlash at the muslim community, it's a thing that's been happening for years with the growth of radical islam.
I'm not sure what you mean about white french people who leave the country ? White or not if anyone feels like this country isn't right for them they're free to leave, no one is chasing them as you said.
Armed Police At Hotel Near Eiffel Tower http://news.sky.com/story/1587854/armed-police-at-hotel-near-eiffel-tower
Ongoing police intervention taking place at Pullman hotel in Paris, police confirm http://bbc.in/1OJoBof
Ongoing police intervention taking place at Pullman hotel in Paris, police confirm http://bbc.in/1OJoBof
Always-honest
Banned
Yeah, i think a lot of people in different countries share this sentiment. Our media has a narrow view on the world.
Poltergust
Member
What makes you think they're not? Most of them don't exactly wear niqabs, they're part of the local population. I also take it that you haven't seen this GIF:
There's really only roughly 30,000 members of ISIS? Considering their presence in the Middle East, I thought that number was easily in the millions.
(Apologies if old, I checked the past few pages)
The refugee situation is going to get much worse, it's being reported by a French Prosecutor that one of the attackers slipped in among the refugees, via Greece. http://www.politico.eu/article/paris-attacker-slipped-into-europe-with-refugees-isil-molins-france-syria-greece-migrants/
The refugee situation is going to get much worse, it's being reported by a French Prosecutor that one of the attackers slipped in among the refugees, via Greece. http://www.politico.eu/article/paris-attacker-slipped-into-europe-with-refugees-isil-molins-france-syria-greece-migrants/
Sadly that is true and we have witness it many times in the past and will continue to...
30K of well-trained, heavily armed and fully funded mercenaries. Probably a lot more now though.
I'm pretty sure either of Turkey's or Egypt's armies can take them out, but that would involve a full-scale declaration of war.
Well, that GIF contains articles from 2014 so that number is probably outdated.
The Incarnation
Member
Actually it's because Facebook suggested it to you.
That must be tough man, you have all my support, sorry for your sister's loss.
Jacksinthe
Banned
Blasting people for showing support in an online forum isn't helping the people of France, either, FYI.
People are trying to be nice and show support to help the certain mental struggle that is happening right now. Sometimes a few words or photos is all they can do and can make all the difference in someone's day so they feel just a little less alone and vulnerable.
It's time. France has a serious problem, and it's time for them to round up people that have been monitored and expected of being in contact with terrorist organizations.
Sorry, but if you were very inclined to visit any of these regions recently you're going to have to be questioned. People have to be detained.
Your freedoms will have to be temporarily revoked.
Sorry, but if you were very inclined to visit any of these regions recently you're going to have to be questioned. People have to be detained.
Your freedoms will have to be temporarily revoked.
And this is an interview with Abu Jihad, a 20 year old 'boy', and one of the many young people who went to Syria to join IS. (Belgium is the leading EU country when it comes to soldiers going over there to fight with IS)
http://www.knack.be/nieuws/belgie/g...-een-wat-een-eer/article-longread-599145.html
It's in dutch, but Google translate gives a good indication about what he's saying. The scary part is that I'm sure that there are still a lot of people living in our country thinking the exact same way.
I'll translate some striking parts myself
Why did this young man end up like this
On if he was serious about his threats
On what he did before he became the man he currently is
On if he ever wanted to come back to belgium.
On why he didn't feel at home in Belgium
On why he always smiles on pictures and how this combines with the things he does
D
Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
I feel so sad for everone involved and affected by this. Even the fucking shooters. You have to be completely rotten inside with sickness or hatred to be able to do such a thing ;_;
TheRealTalker
Banned
What I said before in my previous posts
If these places have multiple diplomatic conferences eventually some progress and understanding will occur.... just bombing shit is a stupid method in trying solve human problems
having a outside forces that doesn't know anything about ethnic tensions, geopolitical disputes and problems come and declare war and ignorantly dictate solutions is immature and non progressive.
- Cutting off ISIS supply chains and trading capabilities is necessary...
- Diplomacy between major players in the Middle East (not Western Countries) is also necessary.
- A coalition of all these Middle Eastern powers is also necessary. (Turkey, Iran, Saudi)
- Peace Talks between tribes and sects and forming a unified front is needed.
- Economic cooperation with Middle Eastern countries to have a unified redevelopment plan is required.
- New borders for certain hotspots and creations of new states like Kurdistan need to be accepted.
- Diplomatic cooperation between all middle eastern countries needs to be common. Tensions need to ease.
- Priority for the future generation needs to be established.... disarmament and supplying better ways of life with economic growth needs to become highly practised.
- Creating a union group of all Middle Eastern countries that hold powers and rules as well as have transparency and observational status for economic and military spending needs to eventually if slowly exist.
If these places have multiple diplomatic conferences eventually some progress and understanding will occur.... just bombing shit is a stupid method in trying solve human problems
having a outside forces that doesn't know anything about ethnic tensions, geopolitical disputes and problems come and declare war and ignorantly dictate solutions is immature and non progressive.
Armed Police At Hotel Near Eiffel Tower http://news.sky.com/story/1587854/armed-police-at-hotel-near-eiffel-tower
Ongoing police intervention taking place at Pullman hotel in Paris, police confirm http://bbc.in/1OJoBof
Interesting
I am not blasting them, I just worry that people do less when they feel that they have done something by changing their picture. Kinda like I have done my part. But that might not be the case and if it gets people to do more than I will support it 100%
I'd like to think I knew a few things or two about ISIS, but there are more knowledgeable people on this forum. Could you watch this video and share your thoughts? I have no idea what status Ben Swann has in the US btw and this video is from March 19th.
https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck/videos/882104321854519/
https://www.facebook.com/BenSwannRealityCheck/videos/882104321854519/
That should be why trains are skipping the Eiffel tower metro station.Armed Police At Hotel Near Eiffel Tower http://news.sky.com/story/1587854/armed-police-at-hotel-near-eiffel-tower
Ongoing police intervention taking place at Pullman hotel in Paris, police confirm http://bbc.in/1OJoBof
Problem is there's not many, not nearly enough that is needed to fight this within their own religion. And even the "moderates" tend to not have very "moderate" views compared to the rest of the secular world.
That's a problem for the media, not the moderate Muslims then
Wait, what? You said they don't have to yet , it will smudge the lines? That sounds like a mandatory action or else you may be seen as a supporter of the terrorist group. Why would it smudge the line? Do they have to do it out of fear so that people won't think they are a part of the terrorist group?
During World War 2, should the Japanese living in America had to show support of America with American flags or they will be seen as an enemy? Oh wait even that wasn't enough since fears and opinions by people like you caused them all to be placed in an intern camp. What caused someone to be placed in these Japanese intern camps? Being Japanese. Fear causes people to make irrational decisions, stop focusing on the Muslim group and ONLY focus on the terrorists. I don't see why the Muslim community needs to do anything. Do all of America need to apologize for the actions of KKK? Or all who rides bikes, should they apologize or show support when biker gangs kills people? It's ridiculous
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I'm still utterly shocked, République is my favorite neighborhood in Paris. I spent an awful lot of hours there and knowing that it got it by terrorists not one but twice in the same year infuriate me. A couple of months before it could've been me. It's feels weird because I'm not currently there, like i'm an outsider in this situation. Thankfully all of my friends and family are safe. It's just on a whole other level of what happened in January, 129 dead, I still can't believe it. In January 17 people ended up dead and it hit the whole country. I was in the march and everyone was strong, determined and not afraid, I just hope that it's still the case after yesterday.
Jacksinthe
Banned
Outside of donations what do you expect people around the world to do?
Join the military?
Fly to France to... Do what?
Set up protests?
Launch an internet hashtag campaign?
What do these people need to do other than show their support? What would qualify as doing something? How much money?
Dude, sometimes it's just not feasible for everyone to hop on a plane, donate blood, join the military, do whatever.
Yes, many feel all warm and fuzzy inside from posting a picture and think they did well - but I'm quite sure a majority can't do much because its simply unreasonable for 7 billion people to do more than simply voice their concern and show support online.
The eight guys who did the killing are all dead (most of them blew themselves up with suicide vests). Right now authorities are on the hunt for accomplices and anyone who was connected to this group - so far they've arrested at least three people in Belgium, and I think Germany grabbed somebody who was trying to cross their border with guns and explosives.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Source?
IchigoSharingan
Member
Evil?
No. ISIS = causing oil markets to plummet. Russia = lives off oil market.
There is no good or evil when it comes to Russia. Only profits.
The debate should not revolve around what is or isn't Islam, it's an extremely pointless argument that goes nowhere and serves to hide the true issue, which is Political Islam. This is a readily identifiable political ideology. Whether it is truly Islamic or not is just irrelevant.
Political Islam has its modern roots in the Muslim Brotherhood movement in 1950s Egypt. It has become the dominant ideology in the Middle East. Note that this does not mean that most people in the Middle East subscribe to this ideology, far from it, but that as far as political ideologies go in the Middle East, Political Islam is the most successful and organized. Historically, most opposition movements to Arab autocrats subscribed to Political Islam, and now several countries and territories are ruled by it.
Political Islam has its modern roots in the Muslim Brotherhood movement in 1950s Egypt. It has become the dominant ideology in the Middle East. Note that this does not mean that most people in the Middle East subscribe to this ideology, far from it, but that as far as political ideologies go in the Middle East, Political Islam is the most successful and organized. Historically, most opposition movements to Arab autocrats subscribed to Political Islam, and now several countries and territories are ruled by it.
I wonder if the french guy arrested at Gatwick is involved?
SolidusDave
Member
Hitting different locations simultaneously with 8 people... I wouldn't be surprised if there are more attackers on standby or something. That guy caught in Germany had 8 or so AKs with him and yet they obviously had enough weapons for their attack. (assuming the cases are indeed connected)
btw do we have any confirmation on what happened to the Russian plane yet? I know it was likely a bomb but everyone though ISIS just wanted to take the "fame" for it. After yesterday, I don't doubt they would be capable to organize something like that...
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Armed Police At Hotel Near Eiffel Tower http://news.sky.com/story/1587854/armed-police-at-hotel-near-eiffel-tower
Ongoing police intervention taking place at Pullman hotel in Paris, police confirm http://bbc.in/1OJoBof
http://www.dhnet.be/actu/monde/un-c...es-de-la-tour-eiffel-5647a18a3570bccfaf090234
Fucking little shits. Glad no one is hurt though.
I hate this so goddamn much. Thinking you're being clever doing pranks after a tragedy. Fuck these people.
Lock them up.
Marvel
could never
Would wipe the smile off thier faces for sure.
That shit should be categorized as terrorism too.
Well, if Muslims have to and are expected to make an announced showing under their own banners that is in some way saying they bear some of the responsibility.
Right, and again I'm saying I'm sure that that is true! I have no doubt some Muslim kids are disintegrating from society, none what so ever, I totally believe you. 100%. My response to that is so?
What, exactly, do you gain by treating the Muslims who love their country and totally are French and want nothing more than to be treated as French the same way you treat some disenfranchised ISIS wannabe(or actual ISIS member)? What is gained there? By any party? The only party that gains anything from people treating everyday good Muslims like second class citizens is ISIS because all you're doing is driving home that idea that no matter how good they are and what they do they're never French, or American or whatever and that only helps ISIS and similar organizations.
Perhaps this is a viewpoint I share because I'm American. Here we have lots of homegrown terrorists. People who never fit in, don't like the country, don't like the government and we get weirdos like that who shoot people, well, seemingly often compared to Europe. To me, a white American who no longer identifies with the country is just as dangerous as a Muslim who doesn't, it all sadly leads to the same shit. But the homegrown white terrorist in the United States never represents all of white America, I don't ever have to gather at a white rally and denounce American terrorism like we expect of our fellow Muslim citizens. We don't even want to call it terrorism because, what, are we going to start scrutinizing ourselves now? Start looking inward at why these people are doing what they're doing? It's not a good us versus them narrative.
Uhh you're sure about that ? I don't think the prosecutor gave any details about what happened to the gunmen who were in the car that was at the restaurants and bars. He said that the vehicle had been identified but that's it.
They've arrested several people in Belgium today though in relation with both cars at the scenes, I don't think we have any more details than that.
I don't expect muslims to make any kind of annoucement whatsoever and I don't hold them responsible for any of it, I'm not sure why you're trying to make it seem like I am ?
Are you talking about me specifically ? Because I don't share those views jsyk and I don't want "everyday good muslim" to be treated badly in any way. All I'm saying is it's not as simple as you're trying to make it sound.
Again I don't expect muslims to "own up" to anything, you're either confusing me with someone else or misunderstanding me completely.
That's all I'll say about it because I don't want to derail the thread any further and we're obviously disagreeing or not understanding each other.
I think when people say stuff like that they're almost always referring to the Pew poll studies.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
For example, punishing apostates isn't some crazy, fringe idea among muslims.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
It's been universally reported now that there were 8, 7 of whom died by suicide bombing and 1 who was clearly shot to death (just desserts) before his vest went off.
sunshine and gasoline
Banned
God damn scumbags. This kind of stuff is never acceptable but for them to do it now is just sickening.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked