King Tubby
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Has it been confirmed as the work of ISIS? Whoever it was, they desired war and now they will get it.
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Yes. It is used to conflate legitimate criticisms of the doctrines of Islams by intellectuals and commentators with the far-right anti-muslim bigotry of someone like Ben Carson.
This is pretty much what I wanted to say about the quote.
This is OFF topic:
Imo, we live in a planet that is big enough to have those kinds of emperors and generals sagan talked about, yes its true that we are small if we are seen on a bigger scale. But in the end as every human and culture that has ever existed, it will clash and have conflicts with another no matter what the size of the planet is.
You Are Viewtiful
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Please, we know he's racist and sexist, why would him being an islamophobe be such a stretch.
BennyBlanco
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Exactly.
Maher defends racial profiling against Muslims.
He's become a textbook bigot and Islamophobe.
Not really.
The Artisan
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I've honestly never liked the type of stuff he's had to say. But whatever, I know he's got a huge following.
Led_Zeppelin
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The problem is that you will never get people to accept reality, that the ME is so volatile that not messing around with it is the best option. But now that isn't an option anymore, how are you going to get Sunnis and Shiites extremist to be in peace with each other and then you have the Kurds that are a time bomb as well, specially with the Turkish kurds that are basically an invitation for a NATO intervention in the region and further escalation to new highs.
People will need to start to understand WHY this is happening and not just "we invaded Iraq and there was a vacuum power" there has to be a clear vision of the region and the difference between the ethnicity and religion. And then try to look for a solution or at least understand what you could or not achieve with military action so at least there isn't another Iraq situation again or at the very least you aren't lie to again as how removing a ruthless dictator in the region would affect said region (anyone remember Netanyahu talking about the benefits of removing Saddam from power?)
Square2015
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Rand Paul, the only one.
Maninthemirror
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Islamophobia is when the idea of being Muslim is attacked to rightfully attack the idea of a terrorist Muslim. Islamophobia stems from the view that all Muslims who are adherent to Islam must be terrorists or prone to terrorism because Islam is the issue and adherents to it are the issue. While labeling those who are moderates as not adherents to Islam. It tends to the view that a muslim who is actually moderate could never follow Islam by the book because by the book is exactly what the terrorists say is in the book as facts
It's an old playbook first used by Christian missionaries in Middle Ages during the crusades and now used by islamophobes of all walks of life
Targed cities? Is there a list of something? Kinda figured it was any city that didn't align with ISIS and other extremists views...
Well its not like this is the first time we had to deal with a crazy ideology, right? I'm not a history major, but Nazism did die in Germany? Why can't the same thing happen in the middle east with extremism? My (admittedly uninformed) opinion at a glance would be that unlike Germany, the Western powers simply don't see any value or have any interest in rebuilding the middle east... but i could be wrong here.
hurricanes
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Not confirm, but a suspected ISIS social media account claimed that NYC and DC among other important western cities will be the next possible targets... Not sure about the credibility, but better to be careful.
Ideally, I too would love U.S. styled freedom and democracy in every corner of Middle East. We should not take the route of funding rebels to topple systems. Clearly its backfiring.
Western values TM
Ziltoidia 9
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I agree, he can be a douche in what he says. He probably does it more for the attention side of things. But I do believe he just wants things to be better for the moderates in the middle east. They are living in horrible conditions with these wackos.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Why would you let that dictate how you live?
NullPointer
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It keeps coming up but nobody provides a source.
Trump is fine too. If only he was electable. He's spot on with Syria.
Hillary will keep on arming and training for more chaos and mass shit all over Syria, but hey maybe some more public pressure will mount up until then.
NYC is always a target. Nothing new
Netherscourge
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Before people start calling out CNN for sensationalism again...
1. Link highlights are scheme-based on most sites. CNN uses a mostly red & black scheme for their site and their logo.
2. It's "Bloodbath" in quotes, because a French police official was quoted as calling it a "bloodbath" when describing one of the scenes. CNN did not just make it up for clicks. It's a direct quote.
The Artisan
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that's what everyone should want though. it doesn't mean he has to be such a fucking jerk about it.
GoldenEye 007
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Well generally the drinks bring out the true emotions and thoughts.
Was London named? I am going out in London tomorrow and am shitting bricks. I know I shouldn't let it affect me like this but I can't sleep.
The Artisan
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I acknowledged here that it was wrong for me to overreact. Thank you for the info though.
You're right, it won't work with ISIS, they are too far gone at this point. I generally hold a humanistic "everyone has the potential to be good" mindset, but considering ISIS has eroded its humanity there is too little to save. The cost of their lives is much more acceptable than the massive toll they take on humanity. And they have made themselves the villains through their brutality, so destroying them will not sully us.
I don't know how to make it happen, but I think a long term general paradigm of villainizing and exterminating ISIS whilst re-educating and providing a better life for those who can be saved is a good shot at solving the problem on a wide scale. That is how you destroy the memetic form of an ideology, by demonstrating the evil of the most extreme and turning the moderate against it by providing them with a better life and re-educating them.
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Other speeches from Cosmos talked about by Sagan do aknowledge the propagation of weapons and corruption, which ultimately can and will cause our destruction. More than aknowledge reality, he tried to inspire hope and change in people. I think telling people "but we'll always be violent" kind of defeats that purpose.
It's a process that is immensely complicated. Heck, even the simple re-education of violent children is utterly complicated, imagine what is needed for ISIS.
But the point is, it is possible. It is also the only long term solution to a problem like this.
Those people might have cultural values that are extremely far from ours but we need to try to understand how they think to see what we can work from. Their whole concept of the world might be based on events like the death of their family by drone strikes from the US or things like that, which in turn makes them think that any civilized (civilized by our standards) country is wicked and evil and that they must be destroyed.
Heck, even some people in canada (who were canadians from birth) have adopted ISIS' beliefs and acted on them because they felt marginalized and left out of society's cultural model.
Once we understand where the hatred comes from we can start working on the problem. It's been done before and it can be done again.
Yup. These attacks bring out the worst in people. I can't imagine the types of comments you would see if social media was a thing during 9/11.
USA is on mostly isolated landmass, built on genocide, slavery and colonialism. Its hard to replicate that. Especially with that USA trying to prevent anyone to get stronger than them and having a longstanding history of killing leaders with opposing worldviews.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"We're going to go in and take the oil, it's going to be quick and easy and we're going to be very rich"
We're (NYC) are always on high alert for terrorist attacks.
Bam Bam Baklava
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It sounds totally doable, Could probably get it done in like 2 weeks tops.
BennyBlanco
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I've seen people accused of being islamophobes for saying things like women are treated poorly in islamic countries. I am by no means a Bill Maher fan and he has said some questionable things but I still think the label is overused.
brokenbeans
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I know how you feel I'm in Birmingham this afternoon :-/
krackerjack
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CHEEZMO;185421188 said:
Sadly, this is now going through a lot of people's minds. Trump is about to get a lot of supporters, I'm sure...
Silent Chief
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France has been committed in Syria, partly because of the Charlie Hebdo massacre.
I'm readying some French sites.
Holland says France will lead the charge and will be without mercy.
44 deads aparts from the rock concert. Many injuried.
About 100 dead at the rock concert. The 4 assaillants sprayed the crowd, held hostages for 3 hours and blew themselves up when the police gave the assault. Total carnage.
I'm readying some French sites.
Holland says France will lead the charge and will be without mercy.
44 deads aparts from the rock concert. Many injuried.
About 100 dead at the rock concert. The 4 assaillants sprayed the crowd, held hostages for 3 hours and blew themselves up when the police gave the assault. Total carnage.
Yes It was a horrible night...I was shocked during my posts in this thread so I havent given the respect the victims and their families deserve, before going to bed I want to say RIP to everyone who died, also give some of my condolences to their families and wish that the estimated number of people dead doesnt increase.
You Are Viewtiful
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Guys, mods already said not to quote the crazies. This thread attracts 'em like a fly to a flylight.
Most of the time, it's the lazy way out of the conversation. You can shout "that's gross, that's racist" and feel better about yourself afterwards without having to have exchanged a single thought with the other person. And still you manage to taint that other person merely by calling him/her a racist/bigot/islamophobe. I particularly love it when Muslims who criticize parts of Islam are then themselves accused of being islamophobic or puppets of islamophobes. That really happens...
I guess the root cause of that is that many people organize other people into friend or foe based on simplistic heuristics, for which they do not need more than a few uttered keywords. Somebody who criticizes Islamism can thus easily be conflated with people who want to wage war in the middle east or throw Muslims out of the country.
There are certainly bigots with simplistic concepts of Islam and Muslims that can be labeled islamophobic, but the term has lately probably done more harm than good overall.
TheFakeMccoy
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Im sorry i offended folks and i apologize. I am drinking and that was my 1st reaction to seeing so many dead. I know its not all Muslims and i regret saying what i did it was all out of anger
That's fine, but lately he's advocating for no interference in Syria and letting Russia/Assad deal with ISIS. Or the U.S. can keep on flaming the fuels of war.
"Yes I am a Muslim I am a terrorist" were the words of AlMunadjid when he visited my middle school.
Please stop.
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