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Persona Community Thread |OT6| Where 6 Comes Before 5 (No PQ or P4U spoilers!)
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What about "capricious"?
Ganzlinger
Member
How do you say sushi then? lol
That's something different. The idea behind the word "sushi" is understood by almost everyone. "Tsundere" however describes a concept that is mostly familiar to anime fans, but that's about it. The average person can tell you what sushi is, but not what a tsundere is.
Auron_Kale
Member
How about mercurial then?
I figured you wouldn't, but thanks anyway.
Ahaha. It's super long too, so even if you'll end up frustrating them.
I started playing Arena around the time online was barren / played by people who were decent at the game, so i'm looking forward to playing Ultimax against people who have no idea what they're doing.
Ganzlinger
Member
Oh, I understand your point. Thought you didn't like Japanese words per se. It's just a matter of contextualization.
... Sigh. I guess my statement was kinda radical and ironic, so this had to happen.
The thing is, it works within Persona. The characters are Japanese, they live in Japan. It ticks me off when someone totally unrelated (e.g. someone from the Americas or Europe) starts to use Japanese words like "kawaii" and "desu" in normal conversations.
Oh, I understand your point. Thought you didn't like Japanese words per se. It's just a matter of contextualization.
Quite the opposite, actually! I really like the sound of Japanese and its linguistic structure.
Heh, I actually thought you were making a dig at the rest of the Persona locs.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
How do you pronounce "tsundere"?
Naw, I was just being a dick, so I already edited it out.
Still stands that we can't really think of a good translation for Tsundere that sounds right. Same for Senpai, but Atlus is okay with keeping that in. I guess Senpai is more known than a word like tsundere which I wouldn't know the meaning of if not for the anime community.
Been watching anime for years, and I honestly don't know. I think its "sue-deer", but I could be wrong.
Ganzlinger
Member
Speaking of which, I didn't know the meaning of the word "senpai" before I started to play Persona 3 two years ago. lol
Ganzlinger
Member
I think it's "Tsun there"
International phonetic alphabet: tsɯndeɽe
I don't know how to pronounce these phonetic things.. lol
As far as I know, "senpai" translates terribly into English and considering you can actually use that word to indicate the relationship two characters have, I think it's perfectly legitimate to keep the word even in the localized version. Same goes for the suffixes like -kun or -chan. If it adds to the meaning of the dialogue, I'm totally fine with it.
It's the liberal use of Japanese words common among self-proclaimed otaku that I dislike.
"no means yes"
Auron_Kale
Member
Yeah, it's a hard word really. I suggested "mercurial", which is often used to describe someone's mood shifting but there are other synonyms to use. It's finding the one that would stick is the hard part.
You might want to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSc9-q5GMqQ
The guy has a heavy American accent, but it's rather close to the Japanese pronouciation.
Wait, couldn't "dishonest" work? That's all a tsundere is pretty much.
"Shitty personality" also works
I'm of the opinion that if the setting is Japan it's okay to use words under the condition that they have proper context and that their meaning is quickly-if-not immediately apparent.
In this case, Senpai (which has no real equivalent) is okay to leave in when the context is important to the story. Where as leaving in "Tsundere" would be the ultimate mark of a bad localization as you have tons of ways to translate that.
Auron_Kale
Member
Wait, couldn't "dishonest" work? That's all a tsundere is pretty much.
"Shitty personality" also works
...and yet both could be for Adachi as well if you think about it.
Love Deterrence
Member
Thanks! Looking good; really excited for this.
I thought it was pronounced like that, but some guy at a convention told me I was wrong and it was pronounced "sue-deer". I don't even know anymore.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Wait, couldn't "dishonest" work? That's all a tsundere is pretty much.
"Shitty personality" also works
All this talk about Marie's title is getting me really excited to see the official translation.
I can guarantee you that it's not pronounced "sue-deer".
Ok folks, here's the PersonaGAF Destiny PS4 clan. Not quite sure how inviting works, but I believe to can just request to join. Will update as I play around with this more.
Green Mamba
Member
Reminds me of when I was first playing through Persona 4 when Nanako asked if she could get out the kotatsu.
"Get out the what?"
Of course in this situation there's absolutely no way to localize around it nor really any opportunity to explain it--Japanese kids out shopping for a very Japanese thing. Figured it out through context. Though the orange stereotype talk confuses me to this very day.
But in most cases I'm against leaving Japanese words untranslated, especially words like "tsundere." Actual things with names, whatever, but personality types and nebulous concepts? No. I'd kick honorifics to the curb too if I were in charge. But I'm not.
I want to say Persona 4 leaned on the honorifics more than P3 did, but I may be remembering incorrectly.
"Get out the what?"
Of course in this situation there's absolutely no way to localize around it nor really any opportunity to explain it--Japanese kids out shopping for a very Japanese thing. Figured it out through context. Though the orange stereotype talk confuses me to this very day.
But in most cases I'm against leaving Japanese words untranslated, especially words like "tsundere." Actual things with names, whatever, but personality types and nebulous concepts? No. I'd kick honorifics to the curb too if I were in charge. But I'm not.
I want to say Persona 4 leaned on the honorifics more than P3 did, but I may be remembering incorrectly.
Auron_Kale
Member
And yet, all I want are two things: a) an official date for the game and b) will MadCatz be bringing their P4U stick to NA from Japan
Ganzlinger
Member
That doesn't sound Japanese at all. lol
I agree and disagree at the same time. I can agree that senpai has no real equivalent since it is a title for someone rather than a description like "upperclassman". Upperclassman can be used as a title, but no one really does that.
Where I disagree is that tsundere has a ton of translations. It one of the few words that I think doesn't since that type of personality isn't really seen all that often outside of anime and if it is, there's no good english equivalent word for it since tsundere itself can mean slightly different things. That's slang for you I guess.
Scar Mortico
Banned
-Persona 4
-Party Member: Kanji. Non party member: Nanako and Dojima (tie)
-Well I love Inzanagi's design. But that's a boring answer so...MARA! PREPARE THY ANUS!...ok seriously, Thoth and Yatsufusa.
I love everything about this picture. So majestic looking.
It reminds me of Okami. A lot to love about that.
-Arena is a really cool spinoff, however it feels odd that the creators decided to make the whole thing cannon to tie in with the main story line. I enjoyed the animation despite it feeling a little rushed, although that is to be expected considering Persona is a long as hell game. I never saw the Persona 3 movie so can't comment.
And the Golden Animation, despite it obviously being rushed as fast as Sonic the Hedgehog,
the moment THIS scene happened, the show already became legendary to me.
Waifu: Sayoko Uehara!
I don't care if you left me to another country to help kids in Africa...ONE DAY YOU WILL BE MINE! 0_0
ME!!!
Also thanks very much everyone for the welcome.
Nice, just requested to join. Accept me, Senpai!
RedGraveXIII
Neo Member
I like how they stuck with PQs chibi style in regards to the lobby avatars.
Hmm, seems to be enough space to fit in four more characters, two once you factor in Marie and [Redacted].
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Yeah, I'll just say "Sun-deer". Not like i'll run into any "fanatics".
Can I used weeaboo here
Several suggestions have been given off in this thread, and remember that titles can (and have: See DLC character) be reworked to get around any translation issues. It's not like Senpai where the concept itself is unusual or vauge.
Personally I'd just use something like "The Moody Forest Poet" or something. The hardest part of making it sound good in English would be the "Hollow Forest" location name in it.
Ganzlinger
Member
Diehard said the first part right, it's "Tsoon". The second I still think it's pronounced more like "there". So "Tsoon-there" would be my verdict. xD
Can we talk about Marie's "Burst" pose
So damn stylish!
I honestly didn't expect this from Marie
You only think it's stylish because it looks like something out of Jojo
names2hard4you
Member
Sent a request, same name as here for my Bungie ID.
People with the beta or even those without, you are all welcome to send me a friend request. PSN ID: blewjayy
Ganzlinger
Member
How about translate tsundere as "complicated"? As far as I know, Marie is a complicated girl.
"Complicated" seems too vague to me.
That could work too. Almost anything really as long as you avoid the unfortunate implications that a word like "Bipolar" or something similar might imply.
names2hard4you
Member
I have always read it as "tsoon-DEH-reh" with emphasis on the capitalized part. Idk lol.
DryEyeRelief
Member
My apologies
Ganzlinger
Member
Yes, that's the way I pronounce it too. I should have typed that way. lol
UltraGunner
Banned
Alright I sent my request. My PSN is xBLACKEST_NIGHTx.
Vox Chaotica
Member
You can probably guess what my Bungie ID is. I aim to be the top tier waifu in the PersonaGAF Destiny Clan~
PSN: AvionStorm