It doesn't look as good in motion. Animations and character graphics are... well they're pretty terrible (OTOH the backgrounds themselves are rather nice). Production values are rather amateurish in some parts, but there's also a lot of heart in the game. LOTS of dialogue, and from what little I saw (friend bought it, I only played a bit) it is at least decently well-written in the early stages of the game.
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Pillars of Eternity by Obsidian Entertainment (Kickstarter) [Up: Teaser]
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It doesn't look as good in motion. Animations and character graphics are... well they're pretty terrible (OTOH the backgrounds themselves are rather nice). Production values are rather amateurish in some parts, but there's also a lot of heart in the game. LOTS of dialogue, and from what little I saw (friend bought it, I only played a bit) it is at least decently well-written in the early stages of the game.
Screaming_Gremlin
My QB is a Dick and my coach is a Nutt
If you hate that make sure to avoid Kingdoms of Amalur at all costs.
There is. And this reception is proof of that. But this game published by traditional routes would have poor sales and none of those sales would be of thousands or hundreds of dollars. This model is perfect for this.
Yeah DAO is one of the most boring games I've ever played until the last part of it where that meeting takes place. Every region is stretched out about 40% longer than it needed to be.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Man, I disagree with you so hard it hurts. But hey, at least we're all in agreement that DA2 was shite.
Tony Redgrave
Member
Yeah, and the most comical aspect of it all is that, from all things they're supposed to be looking into Skyrim as an inspiration for DA3. Don't get me wrong, I love Skyrim, but despite being an RPG it's in the exact other end of the spectrum of what BW always does so it's really going to be hard for them to extract a working formula out of it.
If they stopped being so stubborn and just looked at what made DA:O great they could have a solid franchise, but nooo they need button=awesome and streamlining to the max.
I seriously doubt this. But it's all speculation I guess.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I think it's more of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The one time this generation somebody has thrown an actual budget at the classic CRPG formula, it ended up selling gangbusters. Every other attempt was done by a minor studio and/or with a minuscule marketing budget. It's a revolving door of logic. "Well, these types of games don't sell. We're not going to support them fully." If the properties were handled by somebody who knew what they had in hand, they could sell just fine.
I think everyone should avoid Kingdoms of Amalur.
DAO did few things good like some characters but aside from that most of game is rather dull. And it isn't even close to BG2 greatness. They created rich and very good lore and they used it in most shitty way. Whole fade, magic, blight, are very amazing concepts but they have some terrile actual story and dialogue writters and they simply failed to use that source material.
O.DOGG
Member
I don't necessarily dislike Steam but I can understand the sentiment. I'd much rather be getting a DRM-free copy of the game than a Steam-based one. Hopefully the physical copy will not be Steam-activated.
spindoctor
Member
Random thought just popped into my mind. Not that they'd need to, but what if Bioware were to do a Kickstarter for an RPG. Would it be as successful as this one, or even more, or much less?
EA would never let them.
What is this Bioware you speak of? You mean EA? I think that's going to devolve into a lot of trolling for the sheer audacity of trying to get Kickstarter funds.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Biowares engine. Lead designer left before completion to go to Bioware.
I played it at 1920x1200 and thought it worked wonderfully. And the customization options are my favorite part of it.
Maybe people didn't use the multiple modes feature enough. I had a third-person single-character mode for cities and exploration and a semi-isometric mode for dungeons and battles.
Whenever I complain about NWN2, people tell me to try the expansions instead. Which I think I do own. NWN2: Platinum? It says on the DLC tab that it includes 2 expansions.
But if it has the same unwieldy camera that the vanilla game uses, I don't see the point of even bothering.
Basileus777
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Do they charge you when the goal is reached or after Oct 16?
At 2560x1600, I found the fonts and icons far too small. I should reinstall to double-check.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
i agree with you. After being patched it was fine and have had zero troubles with it. Sometimes i imagine people complaining about it like those informercials where they show black and white footage of someone unable to do a doing a simple task and the person looks so frustrated.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
After, and if you can't pay then you still have up to a week (or maybe 4) on your to pay.
What exactly did you find unwieldy about the camera? You could use it like a third-person camera, or a character-centered isometric camera, or a free camera, all depending on your needs at any moment during the game. Games like DA or ones that are restricted to isometric only feel terribly restrictive in comparison.
But that's the exact type of camera I want. I don't want a character-centered isometric camera. The Infinity Engine isometric view was fine to me. The DA:O isometric view was fine as well.
Durante all that hard work on DSfix is taking toll on your mental health.
just joking 
NWN GUI was terrible. It was even more shitty than NWN1 one which was already bad.
It wasn't only mechanically not working well but also looked like it wasn't created with art style in mind (same with NWN1).
Camera was worse offender. It was straight bad.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
So use that?
GUI is leagues above NWN1 just based on context sensitive dropboxes.Durante all that hard work on DSfix is taking toll on your mental health.
just joking
NWN GUI was terrible. It was even more shitty than NWN1 one which was already bad.
It wasn't only mechanically not working well but also looked like it wasn't created with art style in mind (same with NWN1).
Camera was worse offender. It was straight bad.
godofcookery
Member
On Oct 16 (End of the kick starter) if the goal is reached.
Then just keep it at that setting and never change to any of the other modes? That should give you what you want.
It's a much older affliction than thatDurante all that hard work on DSfix is taking toll on your mental health.
just joking
Here's a post from 2009 where I try to explain how to use the NWN2 UI. Sadly the image links are dead.
Edit:
Found the images!
None of the camera modes work like that.
Exploration Mode = Overhead centered on character
Strategy Mode = Overhead, but starts to center on character when the character approaches the edge of viewable area (this is not the behavior I want -- I want full control over where the camera is looking at all times)
Character Mode = Third person
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Huh? i dont have the game installed right now (and im leaving for work so me checking it out will have to wait until tonight.) but i do not remember the camera centering on the character once i got to the edges. That doesnt sound right at all.
Jibbajabbawockky
Member
DA:O definitely had its moments of bloat but at least something like the Deep Roads being a long slog made sense story wise.
Origins had its share of problems but it was at least a decent starting point for an old school RPG franchise. And then Dragon Age 2 came along...
Krelian91
Member
What have I done
You, sir, are a real patron of the arts.
I wish I had enough money to make a 10.000 contribution. =/
Then just keep it at that setting and never change to any of the other modes? That should give you what you want.
It's a much older affliction than that
Edit:
Found the images!
I acknowledged what you said, problem is not with what you described but with junk involved in it. For example Diablo like LMB mode it works but as you are using characters they are not precise or responsive and offen blocks on stupid things like chair. It is painfull to use.
Isometric camera is working like junk too. It is not free, it is not responsive.
Biggest problem for me is GUI use of space.
There is absolutely no reason to make journall, character stats screens small and not full screen or half screen.
They made UI easly configurable but thanks to that they lost any sence of positioning in default layout and i really didn't find any way to relayout UI to be not bothersome. Also thanks to that UI looks tasteless.
I may remeber wrong they did release patch to fix that but still after a patch there is really no camera like in IE games (meaning precise, free and responsive)
Dead Prince
Banned
$20 backed.
Still it is amazing imo. Looks like it will be biggest game kickstarter yet.
It really now depends what stretch goals will they reveal. We will know in few hours
Looks like money started to flowing faster. 5k in 2min.
985K$ 57 minutes to go.
I guess they want to give more than $20 but less than the next tier above that?
Yeah i would do the same if i hadn't gone with 35$
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Methinks this game is getting made.
By not taking up a slot in the $20 tier, they are giving people who might want to give $20 but not more than that a chance to fill those slots.
foobarry81
Member
Good thinking!
True. One of the few things everyone can agree with on here
I didn't have a problem with any of the story material or dialogue. My problem with these games, and this goes back even to the golden era of the late 90s, is that I despise dice roll combat. It's probably the single thing I hate most about video games if we talk about nothing but gameplay. So when each of DAO's combat areas went on for over an hour each it was pure torture for me.
People like to rag on the Fade but that was actually one of the more "pleasant" combat areas in the whole game because it was more limited, and if you know what you're doing you can get through the maze quickly. You can't skip through the deep roads or the forest/ruins areas.