You definitely won't have ARC on a 15 year old receiver. That was part of the HDMI 1.4 spec and has only been out for a couple of years. You could probably teach the VT60 remote some of the receiver commands so it will function like a basic universal Remote. That's probably. Your best bet. Short of buying a new receiver of course.
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You definitely won't have ARC on a 15 year old receiver. That was part of the HDMI 1.4 spec and has only been out for a couple of years. You could probably teach the VT60 remote some of the receiver commands so it will function like a basic universal Remote. That's probably. Your best bet. Short of buying a new receiver of course.
Icomp
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Modern TV's have HDMI that support ARC, which means that the audio transfers in the HDMI-cable instead of a seperate output, such as the optical output. (Based on nothing but my assumptions etc, this would lead to you being able to control the audio coming to the reciever with the remote for the tv you're using.)
Projector gaf checking in.
Both are good projectors, but the contrast, colors and black levels are much better on the 5020. It's definitely worth the extra money. It's like the difference between a Ferarri and a Mustang.
Before you lay down the cash, you might want to consider this -
If you plan to spend most of your time watching movies, with some light gaming, then LCD projectors like the Epsons are really good. However, if it's primarily for gaming and occasional movie watching, then I would choose a DLP projector. The contrast and black levels won't be quite as good, but you'll get a much sharper image and (most importantly) lag time will be considerably better, which is important for quite a few games.
So I got the Epson 5020 last week. Holy shit this is the best purchase of my life! The black level is insane! And the color is so good! Don't even have the screen yet and only did a quick calibration. Super impressed.
I'm not even sure if this is the thread I should be posting in, but I'll give it a shot.
So I had everything set up upstairs to be playing GTA 5 at night with headphones and I realized there's nowhere on my smart tv to plug in the base of th wireless headset. I can do it fine on my 2007 HDTV, but it seems newer ones just don't support it and I have no answer here. Is there a way around this? I was considering a sound bar since sound is pretty shit through the thing. Are there headphone plug ins on those?
So I had everything set up upstairs to be playing GTA 5 at night with headphones and I realized there's nowhere on my smart tv to plug in the base of th wireless headset. I can do it fine on my 2007 HDTV, but it seems newer ones just don't support it and I have no answer here. Is there a way around this? I was considering a sound bar since sound is pretty shit through the thing. Are there headphone plug ins on those?
I'm not too familiar with wireless headsets, but yours uses a 3.5mm connector and you new TV doesn't have a headphone jack?
If your TV has L/R RCA audio out, then something like this should work:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10218&cs_id=1021815&p_id=5612&seq=1&format=2
Or if you have optical out from your TV:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005K2TXMO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
more expensive since it's a DAC
I need some advice.
I'm in the market for a new TV. This one is mainly for gaming, maybe the occasional movie. I just want the absolute best TV for the job. Ideally as big as possible too. Price doesn't matter. No projectors though.
Can someone knowledgable on the matter point me in the right direction? I'm getting too much conflicting information.
I'm in the market for a new TV. This one is mainly for gaming, maybe the occasional movie. I just want the absolute best TV for the job. Ideally as big as possible too. Price doesn't matter. No projectors though.
Can someone knowledgable on the matter point me in the right direction? I'm getting too much conflicting information.
Neuromancer
Member
Well that's exactly it. My last TV let me control the volume of the audio out with the TV remote, I see no logical reason why my new TV won't. I just can't find the option anywhere. I'll keep digging.
. . . because there's not too much of a difference between your options. calibrating your display is key.
agonising over which brand (i.e., Samsung, Sharp, Sony, et cetera) for too long is a waste of time. just purchase whatever fits your budget. go with the brand you're most comfortable due to past experience. the differences you see / hear people chat about is pretty much about calibration. your preference will be different than someone else's. the panels from the dozen+ manufacturers are sourced from two or three companies, so there isn't too much of a difference.
if you're worried someone else is / will be getting a better experience because you bought X and they bought Y, you're never going to be satisfied. it's a silly thing to worry about, seriously.
Keep in mind input lag, the OP has a link to a database tracking how low it gets with several TVs.
In that regard, Sony seems to be the best for non-monitors right now, but if you want to shop for another brand instead there's other models listed there. Just make sure the input lag isn't crazy awful and perhaps if it's not on that list check if the TV has a game mode or not as that usually minimizes input lag.
EDIT: With that said a specific brand isn't inherently great there, that DB shows that some can range from Excellent/Great to Poor, and Sony themselves have many TVs that are merely OK in that regard.
What a garbage comparison. The Samsung is in dynamic mode with color temp set to cool and the Sony is most likely in film mode with a warmer color temp selected. Who makes this shit?
ConteZero76
Member
Sony 55W905. As good as a plasma without burn in issues.
ShinMaruku
Member
I think the OP needs to be chanced OLED is LCD it's just how light is emmited that makes it different than normal LCD but it's still an LCD display.
bar mitzvah
Neo Member
I just grabbed a KDL55802a. It's input lag feels as closed to a computer monitor as I have found with a TV of this size. Really amazing in game mode.
That's incorrect. You're probably thinking of LED, which is simply being used as a marketing term for an LCD with an LED backlight.
OLED is in fact a brand new display technology.
I haven't had much time to game on this set, but my kids have. They play Lego Batman 2 pretty much exclusively, and I will say that there are some HUD elements that leave image retention after an hour or two of playing. But, watching some normal programming makes it go away.
I was freaked out the first time I saw it, but I think it's pretty normal and like I said, it goes away when you work those pixels with regular content.
I'm not worried about someone else getting a better experience.
I just want the best TV possible for gaming. There is no budget. There is no limit. Even calibration, I can spend money to get it done professionally. I just want the best TV for gaming. I figure there are enough folk on GAF who know their stuff to probably be able to recommend me that. I'm just terrible with TV decisions.
Yeah, I saw that. I was leaning to the KDL-55W802A because of that link and some googling about the TV.
Thanks for the mention. I will research it now. I was ideally looking for a 60 inch, but even 55 inch should be fine.
I can always change it in a year or two.
For whatever it's worth I get the impression any Sony TV with X-Reality Pro in it will have really low input lag for games, maybe there's some impressions on their 4K displays?
Though I'd personally skip on those at least until they have HDMI 2.0 and can display 4K at 60 FPS. Not only would it be futureproof but a powerful enough PC would get a lot of mileage out of it right away.
EDIT: And there's that extra line. Yeah, I'd personally go for one of those non-4K Sony TVs now, then get whichever 4K TV has the lowest input lag and/or best image quality in two years if I had a generous budget.
If anyone is in Dallas, I believe Star Power has the Samsung 55 OLED TVs in stock if you want to see a bit of the future.
Sony has the 65" W850a coming out at the start of October.
It's supposed to be the bigger version of the W900/905.
That's what I'm leaning towards now, just waiting on reviews to confirm.
Sony's LEDs have been best in class in terms of input lag this year.
Sony has the 65" W850a coming out at the start of October.
It's supposed to be the bigger version of the W900/905.
That's what I'm leaning towards now, just waiting on reviews to confirm.
Sony's LEDs have been best in class in terms of input lag this year.
Acheteedo
Member
I've been staring at the jagged mess of GTAV lately and wondering if a new TV will help this in any way.
I've got a Samsung 1080p, LCD LE40M86 set from 2007. 720p has always looked very jaggy, but what I don't know is if a new/different set would improve that in any way. Is it just inherent to that resolution or do other TVs fit the lower pixel count of 720p to a 1080p screen better/more smoothly?
I've got a Samsung 1080p, LCD LE40M86 set from 2007. 720p has always looked very jaggy, but what I don't know is if a new/different set would improve that in any way. Is it just inherent to that resolution or do other TVs fit the lower pixel count of 720p to a 1080p screen better/more smoothly?
Scaler tech has become incredibly better since 2006/7. Algorythms and software are much better thanks to the quad and hexa core CPUs inside those new TVs. It looks much crisper and less blurred. If you buy the latest Panasonic or Samsung (from the F7000 series and up) panels you'll get some decent scaling.
Acheteedo
Member
Crispness, if anything, would increase the visibility of jaggies, no? At the moment I've got "sharpness" on 0 because it helps somewhat.
Jaggies are there of course and if a game has no AA it will be more noticable but its still a great image because the jaggies are not increased by artificially sharpening the edges. There are other algorythms in the software that improve the scaling and it will look alright. Its a huge jump to what LCDs did 6 years ago.
Benclank01
Member
I'm going to use my Sony Bravia HDTV for the PlayStation 4 because PlayStation is made by Sony and that's my plan of my HDTV on the upcoming PlayStation 4.
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Acheteedo
Member
I don't doubt that you're right, I remember once I was blown away with how smooth Dead Space 2 looked at the Eurogamer Expo, and later was super disappointed to find that it looked completely different (jaggy-wise) when I got the game at home. So the difference must have been the TV.
Acheteedo
Member
The one I've got my eye on is the Panasonic Viera TXP50GT60B, which is dual core, is that a concern for this kind of thing?
twisteddeeds
Member
Hi guys was looking for advice.. during the weekend my lcd of 8 years died on me.. I'm currently out of work but have between £300 - £320 to spend on a new tv (savings)
I'm hoping this new tv can last a good while, until I can get back on my feet into full time work, and going into next gen also
Anyhow here are my choices..
SAMSUNG PS43F4500 43" Plasma TV
LG 42PN450B 42" Plasma TV
or a 1080p LED... think the wife wants a 40 inch toshiba..
I'd love 1080p but what do you guys think.. any help would be appreciated
I'm hoping this new tv can last a good while, until I can get back on my feet into full time work, and going into next gen also
Anyhow here are my choices..
SAMSUNG PS43F4500 43" Plasma TV
LG 42PN450B 42" Plasma TV
or a 1080p LED... think the wife wants a 40 inch toshiba..
I'd love 1080p but what do you guys think.. any help would be appreciated
drugstore_cowboy
Member
If you play a lot of games consider the LCD, yeah they have their knockers, motion may be blurrier and blacks unimpressive if you play in the dark but it beats nannying a plasma imo.
Had a couple of Samsung plasmas myself and the picture deteriorated in a matter of weeks, up until pretty recently I could easily see the same failures in display sets.
Had a couple of Samsung plasmas myself and the picture deteriorated in a matter of weeks, up until pretty recently I could easily see the same failures in display sets.
Ah the cheapest new TVs on the market, my expertise...
I have a 2010 Dynex 1080p LED, a 2011 LG 720p plasma, and a 2012 Panasonic 720p plasma. I used to have a 2008 Samsung plasma too.
First, the picture quality of a low end plasma is way better than a low end LCD/LED.
But the big issue is that the plasma displays are 1024x768 not 720p (1280x720). The loss of resolution is not particularly noticeable with video content, but with text in games you can definitely see it. Current gen not a big deal. But PC gaming at 720p (where text tends to be smaller) can be an issue and I suspect next gen, where more games are optimized for 1080p, text and other game elements may shrink as well. In rare cases, for example Anno 2070 on PC, the text may be so small to begin with the loss of resolution makes it almost unreadable on a 720p plasma.
So really I think it comes down to whether you want a better looking picture or a clearer picture.
I have no idea what deterioration this post is referring to. Brightness? You have to accept a plasma is not going to be as bright as a LCD/LED going in, but unless you are watching in a sun filled room at the peak of the day I don't see the issue.
drugstore_cowboy
Member
No, I think it has something to with voltage, can't remember the name of the top of my head but horizontal lines appear in high contrast areas like end credits, adverts and some games.
Took photos before returning the TVs for a refund, probably long gone now but it should be easy enough to dig some out.
Here, like this:
Thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1083853/does-your-samsung-plasma-suffer-from-horizontal-line-bleed
It's said to be a plasma 'thing', inherent to the tech, can't say I've noticed the issue on any other brand but then I haven't spent any real time with them. Both my TVs started off perfectly but the lines began to appear after a few hundred hours.
Took photos before returning the TVs for a refund, probably long gone now but it should be easy enough to dig some out.
Here, like this:
Thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1083853/does-your-samsung-plasma-suffer-from-horizontal-line-bleed
It's said to be a plasma 'thing', inherent to the tech, can't say I've noticed the issue on any other brand but then I haven't spent any real time with them. Both my TVs started off perfectly but the lines began to appear after a few hundred hours.
ConteZero76
Member
You did the "mandatory" break-in with color DVD ?
drugstore_cowboy
Member
I did on the first TV as I was pretty nervous about screwing it up, second one I didn't care about as I'd asked for a refund instead of a replacement. When it happened again I insisted on getting the money back.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Quick question, what are the differences if any between the following TV's:
European KDL-55W905A
United States KDL-55W900A
Are they the same set?
European KDL-55W905A
United States KDL-55W900A
Are they the same set?
Yes, same set.
And the larger version comes out at the end of next week.
Sony 65W850A
TVs dont add AA to games that has weak AA or no AA at all.
What are people saying that TVs adds anything to games hahaa
Again to gaming TVs is all about having low input lag, the game wont magically lool better
That code those textures that AA will be the same on all TVs.
All this new tech for TVs was created for movies, video, TV shows not for gaming.
Gaming is best with all those "advance" features off.
What are people saying that TVs adds anything to games hahaa
Again to gaming TVs is all about having low input lag, the game wont magically lool better
That code those textures that AA will be the same on all TVs.
All this new tech for TVs was created for movies, video, TV shows not for gaming.
Gaming is best with all those "advance" features off.
Does anyone have the kdl-42w670a?
http://www.sony.com.au/product/kdl-42w670a
Looking for the best settings for gaming. I never know how to get my games looking great.
http://www.sony.com.au/product/kdl-42w670a
Looking for the best settings for gaming. I never know how to get my games looking great.
*whoareyoutalkingto.gif*
Though even beyond this insane AA crap you're disregarding the fact some displays simply are higher quality. It's why people even care about whether the Vita has an OLED or LCD display or why IPS monitors are getting more and more popular over TN.
TV's do add AA, or should I say extenuate them. That is because edge enhancement and halo'ing on top of jaggies just make them stand out considerably more. Turn up sharpness on any game that has aliasing and you will see exactly what I mean. The aliasing will be considerably more visible and distracting.
Yeah, TV settings and scaling quality are absolutely factors. Though I don't understand why anyone would have sharpness set at anything but MAYBE low at least on a modern HDTV, that's a feature more for SD CRTs than fixed resolution displays I'd think.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Is the Sony KDL-55W900A worth the extra $500 when compared to the Sony KDL-55W802A? These are the two sets I have narrowed my search down to now that I know the European 900A and 905A are the same set.
Additionally, the KDL-55W802A has a promo to get a free year of Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu Plus...anyone know if there is a way to get this for the 900A?
Thanks all.
Additionally, the KDL-55W802A has a promo to get a free year of Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Hulu Plus...anyone know if there is a way to get this for the 900A?
Thanks all.
Amazon's page for the KDL-55W802A has a checklist comparing the models.
Depending on what you want I guess it's worth the upgrade, personally I'd just be cheap though. Especially as I'd rather have 3D glasses that didn't need a charge.
The W9 has has better black levels and the Triluminos color really pops. To me it was worth the added cost.
No idea about the promo.
Echelon079
Member
Picked up a KDL55w802a for $1500 when I went out TV shopping the other day. I was originally looking at the kdl50r550a at $899. Now I'm wondering if the difference in price for 5 inches and xreality pro was really worth it. To the point that I haven't even opened the TV yet. Anyone have any experience with either of the TV's?
I've had my new Samsung 60F8000 LED for about a week now and I am still blown away! This TV is just tremendous in pretty much all respects and just oozes quality...the fit, finish and materials make it the macbook pro or iphone of televisions. The aesthetics are the best there is and the picture quality is just fantastic. Input lag is better than my prior TV and hasn't been an issue with GTA V at all to this point. I really can't detect any lag at all although I know the testing says it is there (supposedly massively improved with a recent firmware update).
All that and it is upgrade-able with the Evo kit should processors, inputs and software change. Well done, Samsung. Well done.
All that and it is upgrade-able with the Evo kit should processors, inputs and software change. Well done, Samsung. Well done.
Input lag is way better on the set you grabbed, best HDTV on the Displaylag list in the OP. The cheaper one was still high quality though with reasonably good input lag, but unless games weren't a serious consideration it's probably better to stick with what you grabbed.