For 3 I can confirm character levels can be disabled in local and LAN but not online. I obviously haven't played enough to know that matches in only 1 phase would be unbalanced. If 2 is required to keep the game's balance why can it be disabled in local matches.
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For 3 I can confirm character levels can be disabled in local and LAN but not online. I obviously haven't played enough to know that matches in only 1 phase would be unbalanced. If 2 is required to keep the game's balance why can it be disabled in local matches.
I understand the sentiment, but field phase only would totally invalidate characters like Machamp and Garchomp, while duel phase already has tons of loops that would just be infinites without the phase shift system.
Fixing either of those problems is significantly more than "an afternoon's worth of work."
Might be just giving the player options and it doesn't matter since it is offline but I think overall it is part of the balance of the game.
Plus I doubt they want to spread the playerbase out between too many different modes. We already have friendly and ranked and friends only(it should have the option here tho). Having more modes within each might make getting in games harder.
Really? It's pretty core to the game. It's built into every character as a strength/weakness and allows the duel-phase combo system to function as it does (any kind of loop/infinite will eventually cause a phase shift for example)
Even the point about synergy bursts isn't really an across-the-board thing, because different fighters charge at different rates. Mewtwo for example probably gets a lot better in an environment where no one can burst, because his gauge charges very slowly anyways. I think the fact that it can be disabled offline doesn't really speak to it's influence on balance.
I agree skill points should be muted online though. I don't mind them that much, but it does dissuade me a little bit from picking up an alt or two. It becomes a commitment! Not only would I be disadvantaged because of my inexperience with the character but my damage would also be cut for lack of skill points.
Did anyone do a test between a level 100 and 1? Having skill points on online seems really dumb.Really? It's pretty core to the game. It's built into every character as a strength/weakness and allows the duel-phase combo system to function as it does (any kind of loop/infinite will eventually cause a phase shift for example)
Even the point about synergy bursts isn't really an across-the-board thing, because different fighters charge at different rates. Mewtwo for example probably gets a lot better in an environment where no one can burst, because his gauge charges very slowly anyways. I think the fact that it can be disabled offline doesn't really speak to it's influence on balance.
I agree skill points should be muted online though. I don't mind them that much, but it does dissuade me a little bit from picking up an alt or two. It becomes a commitment! Not only would I be disadvantaged because of my inexperience with the character but my damage would also be cut for lack of skill points.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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This game is Ugly my brother playing the demo
sixteen-bit
Member
The resolution is low and background detail is sometimes Dreamcast-level, but I think the game looks alright otherwise. Hopefully they punch it up for the NX sequel.
PreyingShark
Member
You can't disable synergy in local matches, just synergy power.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Same, it's blurry but I think overall it looks nice. Core artwork is good.
Keep Pokken as Pokken, Field phase/Duel phase n' all.
I wouldn't be opposed to another Pokemon Fighter series that does use traditional 2D, more buttons, techs, all the stuff you expect from a normal fighter. Like say if TPC requisitioned Capcom to make it. And if it was strictly Fighting-type Pokemon.
I wouldn't be opposed to another Pokemon Fighter series that does use traditional 2D, more buttons, techs, all the stuff you expect from a normal fighter. Like say if TPC requisitioned Capcom to make it. And if it was strictly Fighting-type Pokemon.
bizzarewars
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I'm thinking about switching mains to Blaziken. Is it good?
Glitchesarecool
Member
Pretty much everyone is good. Who knows when someone eventually gets around to doing the frame data analysis of every single move, but for now everyone feels balanced and strong in their own ways.
JStein0222
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Guys I'm so confident online as Machamp, I'm too reliant on him right now. I need somebody to just get through single player with, who is a good supplemental character for a Machamp main?
Pikachu Libre, maybe? She's similarly a grappler that excels way more at duel phase than field so you could probably transition to her really quickly. She is like the R Mika to Machamp's Zangief.
It's definitely low-res but the detail on the models and the amount of stuff going on the background balances is it out a bit, I think. Someone a few pages ago said it looks like a Wii game and I think that's straight-up not true, it's definitely a step above.
laserlaser
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so how's the local 30fps vs?
Garrett Hawke
Member
It's noticeable at first but once you get used to it it's fine imo
especially with how automated this game is... I feel like it doesn't require very precise inputs.It's fun. Not as good as LAN or playing online while chatting on Skype but it's not bad.
Big Green Anus
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This game is WAY better than I was expecting. I rented this for Gamefly, but I might buy this. How fast do Pokemon games go on sell?
Nocturnowl
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Landing at a distance In the Duel Phase kind of makes this a cruel inevitability as you try to figure out exactly how to time your movements to best actually move forward in a timely fashion....then I mistime it and eat the projectile.
You just don't understand the struggle!
heh I don't have the game yet but watching Machamp players on streams is rather frustrating. It's like they don't even notice that their health bar is constantly shrinking
Glitchesarecool
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So who do I pick to lame out the final form of Shadow Mewtwo? I just want to unlock Mewtwo and have all the stages ticked off. Not letting you use synergy burst is hot garbage.
Well here is a tier list
https://rankedboost.com/pokken-tournament-tier-list/
TIER 3
These Pokken Fighters are fairly weak, compared to pokemon in the higher tiers. In future patches expect to see these characters buffed. at the moment, we recommend you avoid playing these pokemon.
Machamp Suicune
TIER 2
Tier 2 host good Pokken Fighters, These Picks are not the worst but also not the best. There are better pokemon characters available, at best these can be viewed as a viable Counter versus other characters.
Garchomp Charizard Gengar
TIER 1
Pokken Characters within this Tier are very strong picks, However they are not overpowered in comparison to God Tier. These are worth mastering, Both in game-play and combos.
Pikachu Libre MewTwo Sceptile Weavile Chandelure Blaziken Lucario
GOD TIER
The highest tier available in our Pokken Tournament Tier list, these pokemon characters are among the strongest. God Tier Pokemon have very little counter picks, which makes them excellent characters to play. Practice these picks to increase your overall win rate versus other players.
Pikachu Braixen Gardevoir Shadow Mewtwo
TIER 3 Support
These Pokemon are in need of a buff, or maybe a far to specific battle pokemon to be effective as a support pick.
FarFetch + Electrode / Pachirisu + Magikarp
TIER 2 Support
These support pick may have some hidden synergy, however they dont stand out by any means. there for they are average support pokemon.
Jirachi + Whimsicott / Mismagius + Ninetales / Rotom + Togekiss / Snivy + Lapras / Espeon + Umbreon
TIER 1 Support
These are very good supports, even better with the right battle pokemon. These Support Picks will be the most fun to experiment with different combos.
Dragonite + Victini / Cubon + Diglett / Magneton + Guagsire / Croagunk+Sylveon
GOD TIER Support
These are some of the most effective Support Pokemon. These are strong Support Pokemon, no matter what Battle pokemon you add them to. They also have very little to no counter play.
Frogadier + Eevee / Emoolga + Fennekin / Yveital + Latios / Reshiram + Cresseli
https://rankedboost.com/pokken-tournament-tier-list/
TIER 3
These Pokken Fighters are fairly weak, compared to pokemon in the higher tiers. In future patches expect to see these characters buffed. at the moment, we recommend you avoid playing these pokemon.
Machamp Suicune
TIER 2
Tier 2 host good Pokken Fighters, These Picks are not the worst but also not the best. There are better pokemon characters available, at best these can be viewed as a viable Counter versus other characters.
Garchomp Charizard Gengar
TIER 1
Pokken Characters within this Tier are very strong picks, However they are not overpowered in comparison to God Tier. These are worth mastering, Both in game-play and combos.
Pikachu Libre MewTwo Sceptile Weavile Chandelure Blaziken Lucario
GOD TIER
The highest tier available in our Pokken Tournament Tier list, these pokemon characters are among the strongest. God Tier Pokemon have very little counter picks, which makes them excellent characters to play. Practice these picks to increase your overall win rate versus other players.
Pikachu Braixen Gardevoir Shadow Mewtwo
TIER 3 Support
These Pokemon are in need of a buff, or maybe a far to specific battle pokemon to be effective as a support pick.
FarFetch + Electrode / Pachirisu + Magikarp
TIER 2 Support
These support pick may have some hidden synergy, however they dont stand out by any means. there for they are average support pokemon.
Jirachi + Whimsicott / Mismagius + Ninetales / Rotom + Togekiss / Snivy + Lapras / Espeon + Umbreon
TIER 1 Support
These are very good supports, even better with the right battle pokemon. These Support Picks will be the most fun to experiment with different combos.
Dragonite + Victini / Cubon + Diglett / Magneton + Guagsire / Croagunk+Sylveon
GOD TIER Support
These are some of the most effective Support Pokemon. These are strong Support Pokemon, no matter what Battle pokemon you add them to. They also have very little to no counter play.
Frogadier + Eevee / Emoolga + Fennekin / Yveital + Latios / Reshiram + Cresseli
Spinosaurus
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It hasn't even been a week yet :x
Garrett Hawke
Member
machamp tier 3?
also braixen is just straight up NOT in that list LOL
also braixen is just straight up NOT in that list LOL
Look again, I edited it, missed the god tier for mons
Glitchesarecool
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Exile left out the god tier listing. Pika, Gardevoir, Shadow Mewtwo, Braixen.
I'd lend this list a lot more credibility if it bothered to explain its picks.
EndlessSky
Member
Teir 3 is silly. There were 2 suicunes in top 3 of final round, and the best ranked online (at least as of a couple days ago) is a machamp.
Garrett Hawke
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PreyingShark
Member
That list was posted on the 10th. \o/
Spinosaurus
Member
I just saw the support one.
That's even sillier. Farfetch'd/Electrode is really good, and Jirachi/Whimsicott is borderline ridiculous lol.
That's even sillier. Farfetch'd/Electrode is really good, and Jirachi/Whimsicott is borderline ridiculous lol.
Oh my. lol
To be fair, when a game is first release, the op character in the first month or so isn't op anymore as the game matures.
Why such a silly restriction when Pokemon is all about diversity?
I'm really glad with some of the choices like Suicune, Gengar and Spamdelure (<3)
I wanna learn Suicune but I just don't enjoy the way she plays. Something....off about it.
EndlessSky
Member
Anyone want to play some? I'm searching on friendly matches using the "pokegaf" as the vs code. My in game name is Leaf.
Pretty much. Remember MvC3 and the Sentinel complaints? Or Smash 4 and Little Mac?
I always wondered how that works, you chose a word and the game searches for that word and matches you up? In case of multiple people, it is random?
EndlessSky
Member
That's the way I understand it; though I'm new to friendly matches as well. You also have an option to search only within your friends list or not.
QisTopTier
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That list is S tier
But only if the S stood for Shit
Diversity is what I want. Diversity with which to explore the various fighting styles these Pokemon are based off of. Boxing, Judo, Sumo, Wrestling, Muay Thai, Capoeria, Yoga, Karate, all of these would be excellent to have. Look to other fighters as a blueprint because there are many analogues. And amongst them are truly chaotic choices.
You want the whole roster -- Pokken serves your needs. The Field/Duel Phase allows Pokemon like Chandelure or Suicune to exist. Don't get rid of that. However, I'd enjoy Super Poke Fighter II Turbo because of the, shall we say, nuanced line-up of Fighting Pokemon.
Machamp and Blaziken are but a small taste of the kinds of punches and kicks I'd like to see.
PreyingShark
Member
When it's a legitimate tier list, yes.
When it's a list posted over a week before the game comes out that claims a high/top tier character from the arcade version is suddenly bottom tier in the home release (Suicune), no.
Kotaku
and noobs
I'd think it's more a sign of an underdeveloped metagame.
I was just talking about the concept of everyone being listed in the same tier.
Ye the tier list will change drastically plus the person could have gotten a review copy.
Still good to see one tier list in the very beginning even if everyone doesn't agree
You can have a pokemon fighting game thats basically Street Fighter WITH the variety that pokemon brings. Just look at Sceptile and the crazy moves he brings. What you want sounds more like Virtua Fighter, a fighting game based off real fighting styles, or tekken a stylish fighting game that at times bases off real fighting styles. Those don't fit pokemon and it'd be pretty boring and extremely limiting.
Right off the bat something like Machamp would have to be reworked entirely. Rather than his cool moveset in pokken it'd have to be something more suited to a "real" fighting style. This is the same pokemon that can create fissures in the earth or vomit up toxic spit. Not only does it do a disservice to pokemon but its just not as fun.
Pokemon comes in all shape and sizes and have crazy moves. To limit it to realistic styles would basically be
Machamp (he'd be nothing like he is in Pokken and would have far less visual flair)
The 'hitmon" family
Sawk & Throh
Conkledurr?
Medicham if you remove their special psychic powers, thus removing their gimmick and reason for existence.
Pikachu that can do realistic tae-qwon-do. Because you'd need Pikachu regardless. Or lucha pika without all the flash, ranged moves, unrealistic moves and electricity...
Thats not really fun and is highly limiting, even out of just the fighting pokemon. You can't have cool ones like Toxicroak, Primeape, Medicham or even Lucario without changing them significantly and "normalizing" them which isn't what pokemons about.