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Pokkén Tournament |OT| King of Iron Tail Tournament
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Most likely not, their PS4 and Xbox One adapters are top notch
Admiral Woofington
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After seeing that post on mewtwo I tried to give him a try but after playing for so long with a speedy grab based Pokemon like Pikachu Libre I can't do this slow mofo.
bizzarewars
Banned
Y'know honestly the more I think about it I think Pokken would honestly play pretty well with a stick.
El Sabroso
Member
I tried with the Tekken Tag 2 Stick, it does play good on stick
aside from a little change in one button, you get also all the 2 button commands in a street fighter style and with an intuitive order of grab, counter attack, super
That's what I do. I just like it better, it feels more responsive somehow.
Oni Link 666
Member
I'm tired of playing online. It's all Braixens and Shadow Mewtwos.
Welp, back to school for me tomorrow which means no more online play. Managed to boost myself up to D4 in ranked so far so hopefully that community isn't dead in a few months when I come back. Gonna take the private time to learn some more of the characters so I'm not a one-note wonder with Braixen.
Pressure is Sceptile's game.
Field phase - Always do jump A, then mix it up with any attack
Duel phase - Set traps on Knockdown (B,A / A,A). Pressure with YYA and forward A. Abuse range grab. Read enemy attacks for backward A counter.
That's good to know.
If it's anything like with Gundam then yeah. Problem is that I don't have a Wii stick as I didn't see much value in it.
That's what I feared most about online.
Oh well...
If it makes you feel any better I have yet to face those two, though I only played like 15 matches right now.
SolicitorPirate
Member
Jesus, the Gardevoir/ Chandelure matchup is just brutal. The speed of Chan's laser makes any attemp at calm mind unsafe unless he happens to already be committed to another attack. At long range in duel mode, basically the only option I have is magical leaf, and that makes me predictable as fuck. Am I missing something here?
Pikachu Libre <3
Spinosaurus
Member
Yo Machamps
Y, Y cancel into Submission is a fantastic mix up, even on hit. No one ever expects it and deals insane damage with bulk up.
Y, Y cancel into Submission is a fantastic mix up, even on hit. No one ever expects it and deals insane damage with bulk up.
SolicitorPirate
Member
God, that was a terrible session. First time since I first started where I ended the night with more losses than wins, and saw my winrate drop from 70% to 67%
I've only ever seen 2 or 3 S. M2s.
Braxien for whatever reason does seem to be the most common character. Oddly though, it doesn't seem like any character shows up a ton, despite that the roster is small-ish.
SolicitorPirate
Member
I wish I saw more Braixens. For me, it's been Garchomps, Weavilles and Mewtwos for days.
Spinosaurus
Member
All I see are Mewtwos.
Also no one rematches in friendlies. =/
Also no one rematches in friendlies. =/
I've played like ~125 ranked matches and I haven't seen a single non-Shadow Mewtwo. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Are you high ranked? I'm only in the Ds.
toastyToast
Member
All I've seen are Blazikens
These were the guys I've seen most as well.
I hate that no one rematches. At first I always tried to. Since it's so rare for other people to do it though, I started going straight to the next match. It seems significantly faster, even if the other player does accept the rematch. On that note, I'm really impressed with how quick it is to find a match; wonder if that will degrade as we move away from release and the player base shrinks.
Spinosaurus
Member
Nah, still D. Sitting at 53 battles with 45 wins now.
Worst (or best) thing about Mewtwos is that they always spam Hyper Beam. Which I don't get, the move sucks lol.
Razzorn34
Member
Maining normal Mewtwo here. Into the mid Ds. I can see how people would think it is top tier from the get go. But, you have to consider the large drawback as well.
Overall, it has decent speed, good attacks at all ranges, and great comboability. Shield stance followups always confuse people, and a well placed hyper beam rips through a health bar.
Drawback? You have to really leverage your normal combat skills, because getting Synergy bar filled before Round 3 is a real challenge. I usually just use the Pressure Focused cheer to make sure I get Burst on the last round when I need it. It's a real pain to deal with people who can get Burst every round. On the upside, Mewtwo Burst is crazy good.
Overall, it has decent speed, good attacks at all ranges, and great comboability. Shield stance followups always confuse people, and a well placed hyper beam rips through a health bar.
Drawback? You have to really leverage your normal combat skills, because getting Synergy bar filled before Round 3 is a real challenge. I usually just use the Pressure Focused cheer to make sure I get Burst on the last round when I need it. It's a real pain to deal with people who can get Burst every round. On the upside, Mewtwo Burst is crazy good.
Admiral Woofington
Member
My pika libre gets it every round it's amazing. Usually a good balance considering how the big motherfucker just destroy my life when they get their and I don't have mine to counteract it.
Also how do we where avatars? I have my guy themed as Donald trump with the millionaire tag haha.
PreyingShark
Member
I'm D2 (failed two rank-up attempts DI've played like ~125 ranked matches and I haven't seen a single non-Shadow Mewtwo. ¯\_(ツ
Are you high ranked? I'm only in the Ds.
. Almost all I face these days are Mewtwo, Garchomp, Gardevoir, and Braixen. When I'm trying to Rank Up it's just Garchomp and Gardevoir because the game knows I can't beat those two for shit.I'm almost up to C4. Had some time in D1 when I was having nothing but losses, almost ranked down twice, but have pushed through.
I mostly see Machamp and Garchomp nowadays, and some Mewtwo, but still see others here and there like Sceptile, Blaziken, Pikachu Libre and Braixen. Rarely see Shadow Mewtwo or Suicune though.
I mostly see Machamp and Garchomp nowadays, and some Mewtwo, but still see others here and there like Sceptile, Blaziken, Pikachu Libre and Braixen. Rarely see Shadow Mewtwo or Suicune though.
Played some more online matches today. Funny how I was just saying I never fought a Shadow Mewtwo and he then becomes my first opponent, though this was also the only time I fought him today. Lost that game unfortunately though it was close. Overall I lost more than I won but the most important thing is that I'm trying to learn after every match. I'm really not making the most of his ability to cancel his moves and overall I'm not using the counterattack much.
In more fun news I also had my first rage quit when a Suicune player disconnected after I caught him with Gengar's sup-errr burst attack. Either that or the game bugged out because the screen froze and I had strange graphical things happen during it before the disconnect message came.
Strange considering your avatar. I thought you'd have Bry-err Garchomp figured out.
In more fun news I also had my first rage quit when a Suicune player disconnected after I caught him with Gengar's sup-errr burst attack. Either that or the game bugged out because the screen froze and I had strange graphical things happen during it before the disconnect message came.
Strange considering your avatar. I thought you'd have Bry-err Garchomp figured out.
Spinosaurus
Member
Machamp's knockdown game is kinda crazy lol. Free bulk up, air grab, good meaties and lots of stuff that stagger.
Like he's got mixups by jumping. He's got an aerial counter, an air grab and a fast aerial that staggers and is insanely + on block. Character just leaves you guessing.
EDIT: Also if you got synergy burst, ABUSE KARATE CHOP. It's incredibly positive on block with bulk up, and with synergy burst it's not a one time use so you can do actual blockstrings like up Y cancelled into karate chop and other neat stuff. They'll have their shield ready to break really quickly.
Like he's got mixups by jumping. He's got an aerial counter, an air grab and a fast aerial that staggers and is insanely + on block. Character just leaves you guessing.
EDIT: Also if you got synergy burst, ABUSE KARATE CHOP. It's incredibly positive on block with bulk up, and with synergy burst it's not a one time use so you can do actual blockstrings like up Y cancelled into karate chop and other neat stuff. They'll have their shield ready to break really quickly.
Strangely enough, I saw almost nothing but Suicune and Shadow Mewtwo last night. I still have no idea how to fight Shadow Mewtwo.
Admiral Woofington
Member
If they play anything like that annoying npc, it's to get you in those long ass chains that comes from blocking and attacking. Any shadow mewtwo I see I'm going to counter like a motherfucker.
And I guess there's the upside it'll take them forever to build their synergy so I don't have to worry about that no dodging possible bullshit super.
You can block through the super. You can block through all of them if I'm not mistaken.
Nocturnowl
Member
D1 is my roadblock, I got right near the tip top only to losing streak all the waaaay back down.
Handy stuff to know though.
Now if anyone has any tips for Blaziken that'd be swell, I feel like the poor chicken man is rather limited outside of his ability to deal high damage (and really it feels like everyone has this capability with the ease of poke combos).
Like he's just too one note, a ton of his moves are basically high powered attacks that can cause recoil but risk leaving you wide open, it's like physical attack city and not much else.
You sound like a much better player than me, I've almost regressed as Machamp thanks to forming poor habits against weaker players on the way up, I should probably practice his moves again because I've forgotten so many useful properties.
Handy stuff to know though.
Now if anyone has any tips for Blaziken that'd be swell, I feel like the poor chicken man is rather limited outside of his ability to deal high damage (and really it feels like everyone has this capability with the ease of poke combos).
Like he's just too one note, a ton of his moves are basically high powered attacks that can cause recoil but risk leaving you wide open, it's like physical attack city and not much else.
Gengar's and Mewtwo's are grabs so you can't block them.
Pretty sure all supers have normal armor before the flash, so grabs and piercing attacks stop them just like any other counter.
Shadow Mewtwo quickly builds up synergy, actually. Might even be the fastest one? The burst attack is blockable, but has a huge range. You can easily bait your opponent's burst attack, then counter it with your own if there's even just a small delay
Everyone in friendlies is a coward.
To be fair, if you ask for a rematch and the other person declines, it annoyingly kicks you back to the online menu, meaning you need to choose your character and support again before getting back to matchmaking. After having this happened a few times, I tended to go down to "next opponent" win or lose, so it can start searching right away.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Mewtwo is bs, also use special cheer
He's too safe, does too much damage off 1 move, has near impossible to react to set ups, and his super is a free win in round 2/3, there is 0 reason for him to be a 600 hp character with his tool set and damage output
That said s.mewtwo is better. Mostly because the super fast synergy gain
He also has a counter that doesn't hit airborne, 2 duel phase projectiles that can be ducked under and 0 good tracking projectiles in field phase. His super is definitely not a "free win," considering it's exactly the same pressure every other character gets with super stocked minus the ability to reaction punish nearly any attack in the game or hitconfirm into it.
He's great in (close range) offense and has good tools to cut through mindless zoning, but when you actually play patiently and force him to make the first move his options are pretty limited. His only forward moving attacks on the ground in duel phase are 6X and 2A, both of which are punishable on block. He has no armored moves in the air and characters with projectile antiairs don't even have to think about the j.X/j.A mixup in neutral, just shoot him as soon as he leaves the ground.
He's still very strong once he gets in, but you are massively overselling him.
Finally beat Shadow Mewtwo today. Wasn't worth all the hassle, I don't know if the game even treats it any differently when you win as opposed to when you lose.
My only real tips, and bear in mind they come from fighting as Machamp: Mewtwo is a total dick when it comes to 2D mode because he can react incredibly quickly with a counter or a grab. However, he's pretty stupid in 3D mode -- you can usually safely jump and use X to zoom toward him, and even if you don't land on him, if you use X, X immediately after, he'll usually be too dumb to react properly. Sometimes he'll block the first but not the second, and worst case he'll block them both and not know how to react after that.
When you do get him into 2D mode, you can air juggle him by chaining down+X, down+X. The timing is a little tough but Mewtwo has no real way to react to that and for some reason down+X is a pretty big blind spot for him, he usually won't know how to react to it. Part of the reason, I think, is he almost never jumps.
Other than that, when he uses his burst, be aggressive if he's up close so you can wear him down and hopefully get him back to 3D mode. Otherwise run away if you can. If he uses his special on you you're probably done for.
Long story short: Beating Mewtwo means piling up a ton of damage and chaining whatever damage you can to minimize his ability to hit you with a giant combo or, heaven help you, his special. When I finally beat him I didn't even manage to get my burst special off on him, it was all X attacks for the most part.
My only real tips, and bear in mind they come from fighting as Machamp: Mewtwo is a total dick when it comes to 2D mode because he can react incredibly quickly with a counter or a grab. However, he's pretty stupid in 3D mode -- you can usually safely jump and use X to zoom toward him, and even if you don't land on him, if you use X, X immediately after, he'll usually be too dumb to react properly. Sometimes he'll block the first but not the second, and worst case he'll block them both and not know how to react after that.
When you do get him into 2D mode, you can air juggle him by chaining down+X, down+X. The timing is a little tough but Mewtwo has no real way to react to that and for some reason down+X is a pretty big blind spot for him, he usually won't know how to react to it. Part of the reason, I think, is he almost never jumps.
Other than that, when he uses his burst, be aggressive if he's up close so you can wear him down and hopefully get him back to 3D mode. Otherwise run away if you can. If he uses his special on you you're probably done for.
Long story short: Beating Mewtwo means piling up a ton of damage and chaining whatever damage you can to minimize his ability to hit you with a giant combo or, heaven help you, his special. When I finally beat him I didn't even manage to get my burst special off on him, it was all X attacks for the most part.
PreyingShark
Member
I play Suicune and haven't even really tried Garchomp I love Suicune so fucking much he's my husbando and yes husbando fuck "genderless" HE'S MY HUSBANDO DAMMIT
The match-ups themselves actually aren't bad for Suicune when played properly, but I'm a fraud so yeah. :x But TO-RU, the Suicune that bodied Shofu, got to C-something with almost no losses, went "my NNID's ass, brb making new file", got to C-something again no problem, and has started doing Ranked again and just breezed right through to B and will probably be A soon. So yeah I just need to git gud to get out of D2 hell lol
Nocturnowl
Member
After the guidance from master spinosaurus in the ways of Machamp I returned with a glorious vengeance and powered my way to C Rank which will probably be hell for me but just goes to show what a little refresher can do for ya.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Why even make a burst/super/final smash that takes up the whole god damn map. My Pikachu Libre fucking goes forward you can jump over it or dodge to the side.
I get so salty I might as well use that salt stone to evolve an evee
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Every other super is completely avoidable being hit by on reaction after super flash either blocking OR jumping. Mewtwo's is not. Which means you literally are helpless once he's in close. You jump? Wait til about to land super. You are blocking, super. Every other character the worst you have to fear generally is a grab though those hurt like hell too, they are not a potentially 395 damage move *attack up crit rage* That is unavoidable unless you are already in the air and the other player was just doing random supers.
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