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Pokkén Tournament |OT| King of Iron Tail Tournament
- Thread starter papertoonz
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I haven't explored assists as much as I'd like. I tried Frogadier/Eevee and Fennekin/Emolga for a while, moved to Snivy Lapras (mainly for Snivy). Tried going with Cresselia for a while (just Cresselia, since I had switched to Synergy cheer by then).
Finally settled on Diglet. He feels pretty comfortable, charges pretty quick. He can be hard to get out in high pressure situations though, need some distance for that. But most of the more exotic ones I've barely messed with.
Finally settled on Diglet. He feels pretty comfortable, charges pretty quick. He can be hard to get out in high pressure situations though, need some distance for that. But most of the more exotic ones I've barely messed with.
FunkyDealer
Banned
Bought the game a couple hours ago, looking forward to playing it. I rather enjoyed the short bit I played from the demo.
I imagine it can mess up a Mewtwo or a Gengar's plans as well.
PepperedHam
Member
I know they get punished for rage quitting ranked but nothing stings more than playing a great two rounds, about to win the final round, only to have the asshole disconnect and me get no win for it. Rank up match too. God damn baby.
got the game today, playing through the leagues right now and will try online later though my connection is pretty awful still so I dunno how that will work out
played around with Braixen and Chandelure so far. I like Braixen but she seems a bit predictable to me, I'll have to test her more. Chandelure is god, I just wish his laser would do chip damage
played around with Braixen and Chandelure so far. I like Braixen but she seems a bit predictable to me, I'll have to test her more. Chandelure is god, I just wish his laser would do chip damage
Garrett Hawke
Member
You don't want to use Spamdelure?
Wait until you get to Iron League. Honestly once I found out a good strategy and a couple moves I could spam often the challenge became basically non-existent. Blaziken's Blaze Kick would just tear through everyone.
You don't want to use Spamdelure?
Leave chandelure alone!
Ended up maining him cause he was my fav pokemon from that gen. Now everyone knows him as spamdelure now
Garrett Hawke
Member
It's not the Pokemon, it's how you use it.Leave chandelure alone!Ended up maining him cause he was my fav pokemon from that gen. Now everyone knows him as spamdelure now
But you need to play to the Pokemon's strengths. That or lose more than you should.It's not the Pokemon, it's how you use it.
Nothing wrong with spamming though. Feels like zoning in field phase is a big part of this game. 25% of the characters are (afaik) focused around it.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Yeah, you do whatever you have to to win (unless it's an infinite, fuck anyone who uses them)
btw, what's Gardevoir's strength? I usually use Braixen but want to mix it up a little.
btw, what's Gardevoir's strength? I usually use Braixen but want to mix it up a little.
I don't really know. From fighting against her, she feels like a zoner.
Iirc, Qistoptier from this thread was putting in work as Gard. https://www.twitch.tv/qistoptier/profile
Iirc, Qistoptier from this thread was putting in work as Gard. https://www.twitch.tv/qistoptier/profile
SolicitorPirate
Member
Gardevoir's a more technical zoning character. She doesn't have a standing, big fuck off beam, but has a bunch of trickier projectiles and traps. She also has really good anti air with delayed traps and anti air attacks that hit pretty much everywhere that's not the ground m
Her primary weakness is in close range, where her normals lack both range and speed. For what it's worth, she has multiple counters to make up for this, including what I believe is the only air counter in the game.
Storing calm mind charges is her big gimmick. Pressing back and A starts a calm mind, which opens up additional moves. You can store up to three stacks of calm mind, which powers up her Stored Power, which when fully charged, has medium range, tons of power and some anti air. Calm mind does however have a fairly long recovery time, which means you can be punished for being predictable; even at long range if your opponent has a beam.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Thanks will need to spend some time in training mode with Gardevoir I think.
will need to spend some time in training mode with Gardevoir I think.Only cowards do.You don't want to use Spamdelure?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Dont waste your time with Gardevior, learn s.mewtwo, suicune, chanda instead
Garrett Hawke
Member
But I was watching your Gardevoir and you beat a C rank Suicine. Therefore Gardevoir > Suicine
Nocturnowl
Member
Finally got Blaziken up to lvl 75, that's two gold ribbons now including Machamp, yaaaay.
I'm thinking that maybe I'll start taking Garchomp for a proper spin soon.
Continuing the trend of "I thought I knew how this game works" i've had a few moments where when predicting a grab as Blaziken and using one of his strong attacks to counter leads to the grab managing to cancel it out and then on occasion leaving me at the disadvantage, I call shenanigans dammit!
I'm thinking that maybe I'll start taking Garchomp for a proper spin soon.
Continuing the trend of "I thought I knew how this game works" i've had a few moments where when predicting a grab as Blaziken and using one of his strong attacks to counter leads to the grab managing to cancel it out and then on occasion leaving me at the disadvantage, I call shenanigans dammit!
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Lol anyone can beat a suicune that spams blizzard
Garrett Hawke
Member
I have so much trouble pulling off combos in this game... When in the animation are you supposed to press the button?
Admiral Woofington
Member
Played online for 10 matches, friendly matches as I've never been one for ranked.
Won 7/10 battles. My Pikka Libre beat all of the fast pokemon and battled one really annoying Gardevoir who stayed in range, managed to win with counters to go through her ranged shit.
But jesus christ you guys. I fear a good CHandelure player. The one I battled absolutely wrecked my shit. Like I didn't even touch his life type of deal.
Shadow mewtwo I fought one and he kept spamming that power that's like a moving tower. Fuck that thing, can't go over it can' only block considering how slow moving it is. If your strategy to win as him is to spam that, then a hearty fuck you.
Won 7/10 battles. My Pikka Libre beat all of the fast pokemon and battled one really annoying Gardevoir who stayed in range, managed to win with counters to go through her ranged shit.
But jesus christ you guys. I fear a good CHandelure player. The one I battled absolutely wrecked my shit. Like I didn't even touch his life type of deal.
Shadow mewtwo I fought one and he kept spamming that power that's like a moving tower. Fuck that thing, can't go over it can' only block considering how slow moving it is. If your strategy to win as him is to spam that, then a hearty fuck you.
Finally played some online matches, there's definitely noticeable input lag (unless it was just the people I was being matched up with, which is possible). It especially hurts when the beginning of matches fails to register your immediate inputs -- forcing you to wait an extra second longer. :/
That all being said, the quick matchmaking kind of makes it hard to put it down. I had to put it down, though, and stopped about halfway through E4 rank (I only played about 9 games, I used most of my time finishing the Chroma league).
So, I don't really think the netcode is amazing but it works and that's fine by me.
That all being said, the quick matchmaking kind of makes it hard to put it down. I had to put it down, though, and stopped about halfway through E4 rank (I only played about 9 games, I used most of my time finishing the Chroma league).
So, I don't really think the netcode is amazing but it works and that's fine by me.
Weekly tournament at Versus Gaming Centre:
https://www.twitch.tv/vsgc
I usually just hit the next input immediately after the hit of the previous attack. Though some things like comboing off a launcher might require intentionally delaying your input depending on the combo/character.
https://www.twitch.tv/vsgc
I usually just hit the next input immediately after the hit of the previous attack. Though some things like comboing off a launcher might require intentionally delaying your input depending on the combo/character.
as it turns out Chand seemingly has better close-range options than Braixen and Sceptile ... well, not completely sure about the latter, I don't quite get Sceptile yet
ok the next Chand was a lot better. Now I learned about the laser swing laser and down attack swing down attack combos
watched the Chandelure getting destroyed by Suicune. Mirrors my experience with that matchup, everyone's complaining about Chand yet only one projectile does chip damage (not counting the mortar) and most are either weak or can be easily avoided. Suicune's blizzard is just damn stupid, on the other hand
ok the next Chand was a lot better. Now I learned about the laser swing laser and down attack swing down attack combos
You don't want to use Spamdelure?
I'm using it as a chance to practice combos and timing stuff with Gengar so it doesn't feel like a complete waste.
I don't think I'll do that. I just want to unlock the stages, characters, and supports.
She does have a beam! ...but it's a bit slow to come out and has a hitbox right next to Gardevoir before it fires. It's stuck on her A button negative edge though, meaning you need to hold A until she glows and release to use it, so it's not exactly something you can spam. It also means you can't use calm mind or future sight while charging which sucks when trying to zone in duel phase.
Sometimes it comes out after a fully charged counter attack for me, because I guess I hold down A + X for too long after landing the hit.
I really need to set a trigger to A so I can use it more. It seems like a pretty good move for the most part, especially in field where the drawback of holding the button doesn't seem as bad.
Been switching from frogadier assist to cubone back and forth depending how I'm feeling. frogadier mostly since he does 2 attacks between that time frame I can just grab as they think the 2nd shots will hit first and cubone after a critical hit with sceptile's Forward A, after Forward A doing a Down A for the grab, spam the cubone assist to pop out , pop burst , it won't hit the opponent since he/she is still being juggled by cubone's boomerang . After the 2nd hit from cubone does contact , Doing Sceptile's super will lead to the full animation attack and do good damage since it's off a crit. Really great assist are in this game
Pikachu Libre also has an air counter. I believe is air A
Admiral Woofington
Member
That's the slam to the ground attack. It's great against slow enemies. When I find other Pikachu Libres though they love spamming it I'm learning to block and combo them to death.
Jeez I think I need to not play this when I'm overtired. Lost a ton of games and narrowly avoided a rank down.
Stopping combos to grab seems really strong online. I've only had a few people catch me on it the first time and it was a mewtwo mashing psystrike. I fall for it all the time against charizard and machamp players.
Stopping combos to grab seems really strong online. I've only had a few people catch me on it the first time and it was a mewtwo mashing psystrike. I fall for it all the time against charizard and machamp players.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Its because the have command grabs that they can do that
Spinosaurus
Member
In the case of Machamp cancelling into submission is a really good option because the worst that could happen is a trade.
Based on personal experience and friends' opinions, I'd say that the current top 5 characters (in no particular order) are:
Weavile - speed and insane mixup potential.
Gardevoir - arguably the best Zoning character.
Pikachu - tons of ambiguous pressure
Shadow Mewtwo- hitboxes everywhere with plenty of damage behind them.
R Pika - I don't even know what's going on anymore.
Although I've been surprised and impressed by all of the cast (except maybe Lucario) and feel that everyone is viable (except maybe Lucario).
Weavile - speed and insane mixup potential.
Gardevoir - arguably the best Zoning character.
Pikachu - tons of ambiguous pressure
Shadow Mewtwo- hitboxes everywhere with plenty of damage behind them.
R Pika - I don't even know what's going on anymore.
Although I've been surprised and impressed by all of the cast (except maybe Lucario) and feel that everyone is viable (except maybe Lucario).
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Chanda is a better zoner than gard
Garrett Hawke
Member
Digital Foundry analysis is up! https://youtu.be/yJj3Rc9ZEPg
Game runs at 960x720 which explains why many thought it was sub-720p. However it hands in a mostly 60fps update so I guess it's worth it
Game runs at 960x720 which explains why many thought it was sub-720p. However it hands in a mostly 60fps update so I guess it's worth it
balladofwindfishes
Member
He also has no health at all and hurts himself when he attacks, further lowering his already tiny max HP.
ZiggyPalffyLA
Member
Gengar + Synergy Cheer + Cresselia turns the Ferrum League into Easy Mode.
Also, it's so fucking annoying that you can beat Shadow Mewtwo in the story fights, and the game doesn't even acknowledge that you won.
Also, it's so fucking annoying that you can beat Shadow Mewtwo in the story fights, and the game doesn't even acknowledge that you won.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Im the same with chandelure
I don't understand, I think she's a marvelous character.
I main Braixen.
That said, it's been a while since I've felt this invested in a fighting game...I already tanked 91 ranked (and only won 50 but shhhht- I'm working on trying to get over 60%WR).
I love it, a lot!
I think the game is in a good place. Anything beyond removing the ShadowTwo infinite blockstring would be annoying.