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[Nocturnowl]

Now that it's been a month and we have a balance patch under our belts, I was wondering what the landscape for people is right now.

* Which Pokémon/Supports are you using?
* Which Pokémon do you run into the most/least?
* Are the any Pokémon you find particularly easy/difficult to fight against?

* I never really settled on one character, I alternate between these three mostly...
Machamp with Ninetales/Mismagius
Blaziken with Reshiram/Moon Duck (you need that health recovery with Kung Fu Chicken's recoil)
Garchomp with...I can't remember

Of these I feel that Garchomp is the most well rounded and therefore the best one to use to cover numerous bases, both Blaziken and Machamp can have some trouble with projectile heavy foes.

* At first I used to encounter a ton of Sceptiles, over time I've had a rather decent spread of opponents so no one in particular stands out but I tend to see Braixen way more than I both expect and like to.

* The following rustle my jimmies...
- Braixen: Really feels like she's got a bit of everything, great projectile game with fast and erratic melee moves. due to the way damage gets put out in this game she doesn't suffer as much drawback on her melee moves as I'd expect leaving her main flaw as health I guess.

- Pikachu/Pikachu Libre
Speaking of erratic moves both of these little gits ping around in a manner that has them bouncing all over the shop, just when I think I can punish their moves sometimes have them bounce right back out of range and then in again, the properties throw me for a loop more often than not and I've had situations where their small size has had them jam out of the way of moves that would've hit any other character.
Oh and that constant stream of SYNERGY.

lesser mention - Specific Gengars but only because I've never figured the best way to counter when people spam that move where he turns into some shadow pool on the floor. Also that Mega is just not to be trifled with at all.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Now that it's been a month and we have a balance patch under our belts, I was wondering what the landscape for people is right now.

* Which Pokémon/Supports are you using?
* Which Pokémon do you run into the most/least?
* Are the any Pokémon you find particularly easy/difficult to fight against?

Farfetch'd and Electrode serve me well. I like using Farfetch'd for his lockdown capabilities, especially since I use Machamp, so if they block the hits I have an opportunity for a mixup right after. Electrode is great for people that just mash buttons, especially with his damage.

Mewtwo is by far the character I run into the most, especially once I hit the C ranks. I've only ever played three Champ mirrors, so I didn't play much against him.

Sceptile and Weavile give me the most trouble. Braixen and Chandelure are easy, former's projectiles get completely stopped by Karate Chop and she's generally non threatening, and Chandelure can't even deal chip damage on block with projectile, so I can just sit down on block and look for patterns with no worries. just gotta watch out for that grab and overheat.

 

[Regiruler]

lesser mention - Specific Gengars but only because I've never figured the best way to counter when people spam that move where he turns into some shadow pool on the floor. Also that Mega is just not to be trifled with at all.

Curse costs HP and can't kill, but it does do a lot of chip damage.Not any explicit way to counter it except punishing it after the animation finishes.
The up-Y is also something you should look out for as it has a relatively high priority.

Speaking of, don't get grabbed as the grab steals HP and drains your meter (Gengar can suppress even the fastest guard characters into sealing their burst til game 2).

 

[User 479360]

Grab Chandelure, spam A, beat the whole GAME with one move.
Sometimes you may have to move around a bit in later leagues but the AI is pretty bad and will die to the spam 99% of the time

I'd maybe try that, but I've already leveled the one I'm using up quite a bit. And this game isn't accessible in allowing you to switch without losing your upgrades.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

I'd maybe try that, but I've already leveled the one I'm using up quite a bit. And this game isn't accessible in allowing you to switch without losing your upgrades.

Levels really aren't important. I was playing around in the final league with an unlevelled Sceptile and didn't notice any significant difference with my max level Gardevoir

 

[Soodanim]

I have nothing to say about the game as I have no interest in it, but King of Iron Tail Tournament is perfect. Well done whoever came up with that.

 

[SixMachine]

Just signed up for Dreamhack Austin. BYOC was sold out so I bought the day passes for each of the 3 days. I entered as GuileChomp, even though I entered SF5 as SixMachine, I hope that is okay. If you guys are gonna show up, I don't mind saying hi to you guys.

 

[Anteo]

I'd maybe try that, but I've already leveled the one I'm using up quite a bit. And this game isn't accessible in allowing you to switch without losing your upgrades.

I switched to chandelure after beating 2 leagues. It still worked just fine. Levels are not that important really.

 

[Wiseblade]

Just signed up for Dreamhack Austin. BYOC was sold out so I bought the day passes for each of the 3 days. I entered as GuileChomp, even though I entered SF5 as SixMachine, I hope that is okay. If you guys are gonna show up, I don't mind saying hi to you guys.

When is that and do you know if there'll be a stream or recording? I'm always up for watching some Pokkén.

On a similar note, I've booked up for Pokémon UK Nationals. I'll be there just for Pokkén so I hope the turnout is decent and there's opportunity for casuals.

 

[Wiseblade]

- Pikachu/Pikachu Libre
Speaking of erratic moves both of these little gits ping around in a manner that has them bouncing all over the shop, just when I think I can punish their moves sometimes have them bounce right back out of range and then in again, the properties throw me for a loop more often than not and I've had situations where their small size has had them jam out of the way of moves that would've hit any other character.
Oh and that constant stream of SYNERGY.

I've been forced to learn the Pikachu matchup through sheer exposure so I'm lot more comfortable anticipating attacks than I was even two weeks ago. I even learned to stop fearing his burst attack since it's relatively weak. Pika on the other hand is still largely a mystery to me.

 

[User 479360]

Levels really aren't important. I was playing around in the final league with an unlevelled Sceptile and didn't notice any significant difference with my max level Gardevoir

I switched to chandelure after beating 2 leagues. It still worked just fine. Levels are not that important really.

Really? That's strange, because what's the point of leveling up then?

I guess I could try him then.

 

[SixMachine]

When is that and do you know if there'll be a stream or recording? I'm always up for watching some Pokkén.

On a similar note, I've booked up for Pokémon UK Nationals. I'll be there just for Pokkén so I hope the turnout is decent and there's opportunity for casuals.

Dreamhack Austin is May 6-8. There most likely will be a stream for Pokken since fighting game streamers are pretty good at getting out to places. SF5 is pretty much 99.99% guaranteed to be streamed because it is a Capcom Pro Tour ranking event, so Pokken probably will be on a sidestream. At the very least I expect top 8 to be streamed, I'm unsure if pools will.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Really? That's strange, because what's the point of leveling up then?

I guess I could try him then.

They do have some influence on your stats, but the AI really isn't challenging enough to make the small difference meaningful.

 

[User 479360]

They do have some influence on your stats, but the AI really isn't challenging enough to make the small difference meaningful.

Even near the end? I mean, I'm pretty bad at fighting games because I never play them.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Even near the end? I mean, I'm pretty bad at fighting games because I never play them.

I'd say so. What are you bad at though? For most newbies, the big initial hurdle in fighting games is execution, which isn't really a problem here due to Pokken's simplified moves. So long as you generally know which move to use and when, there shouldn't be an issue, especially since the AI is particularly poor at handling zoners

 

[User 479360]

I'd say so. What are you bad at though? For most newbies, the big initial hurdle in fighting games is execution, which isn't really a problem here due to Pokken's simplified moves. So long as you generally know which move to use and when, there shouldn't be an issue, especially since the AI is particularly poor at handling zoners

I never practice and just try to have fun. I don't know exactly what move to use when. Combos always elude me because they're too complex.

I'm 23-0 in the first two tourneys. The second one keeps going on and on and on.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

I never practice and just try to have fun. I don't know exactly what move to use when. Combos always elude me because they're too complex.

I'm 23-0 in the first two tourneys. The second one keeps going on and on and on.

Oh man, the leagues are just going to get longer from there.

That said, if you're only in the second league, you can definitely switch to an unleveled Pokemon with no issue.

Also, sorry for still harping on about this, but I really hope you reconsider trying online again. I love Pokken, but I'd be bored out of my wits just playing the leagues. Sure, you'll likely lose a lot of your initial matches, but there are few things in gaming that feel as good as when things click and you start winning your first matches in a fighting game.

 

[User 479360]

Oh man, the leagues are just going to get longer from there.

That said, if you're only in the second league, you can definitely switch to an unleveled Pokemon with no issue.

Also, sorry for still harping on about this, but I really hope you reconsider trying online again. I love Pokken, but I'd be bored out of my wits just playing the leagues. Sure, you'll likely lose a lot of your initial matches, but there are few things in gaming that feel as good as when things click and you start winning your first matches in a fighting game.

That's why I'm unsure if I'll even bother playing it anymore. I just want to beat it since I started it. I got bored of it very quickly.

But I'm a completionist.

I will try online a bit, but I won't spend hours.

 

[PAULINK]

Do you guys think a pokken tournament controller is worth getting over a standard arcade stick? I want to get a controller before the price goes up if they're good, but I already have a wii u TE stick.

 

[SixMachine]

Do you guys think a pokken tournament controller is worth getting over a standard arcade stick? I want to get a controller before the price goes up if they're good, but I already have a wii u TE stick.

It's all preference but I have one mostly because it's wired. I got it because wiiu controllers are wireless and they can be a hassle for tournaments, in that you can accidentally resync to the console which can screw with someone's match. But if you feel that you are competent with the TE stick I don't think you need to waste money.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Have there been any streamed pokken tourneys since last round?

 

[PAULINK]

It's all preference but I have one mostly because it's wired. I got it because wiiu controllers are wireless and they can be a hassle for tournaments, in that you can accidentally resync to the console which can screw with someone's match. But if you feel that you are competent with the TE stick I don't think you need to waste money.

I haven't played the game yet, since I don't have my wii u on me. But the wii u te stick plugs in via wii remote. I get what you're saying about tourneys, may just pick one up for the hell of it.

 

[WonderRade]

Have there been any streamed pokken tourneys since last round?

depends on how big. I went to a local one and they streamed it. i think vgbootcamp does theirs on thursday

 

[Menitta]

Do you guys think a pokken tournament controller is worth getting over a standard arcade stick? I want to get a controller before the price goes up if they're good, but I already have a wii u TE stick.

I'd say it's worth $25, not the price it is now. Just because it doesn't work on any other game. If it worked on VC or Smash or anything else, it would be, but it doesn't. Also considering you already have a Wii U TE, I think you're good.

 

[PreyingShark]

I'd say it's worth $25, not the price it is now.

Thank god for scalping

 

[User 479360]

Do you think that the amiibo card will ever become collectible?

 

[Wiseblade]

Have there been any streamed pokken tourneys since last round?

There seems to be a scene in Texas(?) That regularly streams and is pretty skilled.

 

[Wiseblade]

Do you think that the amiibo card will ever become collectible?

I doubt it. Cards are generally less sought after than models, they were readily available and actually become useless once you beat the game.

 

[sixteen-bit]

And Nintendo sent out free cards to digital download owners who requested them. I'm sure the production numbers are high.

 

[User 479360]

And Nintendo sent out free cards to digital download owners who requested them. I'm sure the production numbers are high.

Ah, okay. I have one I didn't open.

 

[Wiseblade]

I have officially become the guy bringing a Pokkén setup to a Street Fighter V weekly tournament and I'm seriously considering trying to arrange a LAN setup for next week.

This game has broken me.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I have officially become the guy bringing a Pokkén setup to a Street Fighter V weekly tournament and I'm seriously considering trying to arrange a LAN setup for next week.

This game has broken me.

any converts?

Spoiler

ask nintendo when the commission check is coming through

 

[Wiseblade]

any converts?

Spoiler

ask nintendo when the commission check is coming through

Nobody pledged to go out and buy the game, but the reception was generally positive. I'm just lucky there's one other guy in the London SF community who knows how to play the game, so I was able to get some worthwhile matches and show some relatively high level Blaziken/Weavile v Gardevoir/Machamp games.

Inconsistent 30fps really isn't the best light to show this game in though, that's what makes me want to go all out next week.

I expect to receive compensation from Bandai Namco / Nintendo / The Pokémon Company any day now.

 

[madspooky]

So someone told me today that they purposefully implemented input lag into this game. Confirm/deny?

If so, why on earth would someone ever think that would be a good idea?

 

[sixteen-bit]

So someone told me today that they purposefully implemented input lag into this game. Confirm/deny?

If so, why on earth would someone ever think that would be a good idea?

to make netplay seem smother, lol

 

[brainchild]

So someone told me today that they purposefully implemented input lag into this game. Confirm/deny?

If so, why on earth would someone ever think that would be a good idea?

AFAIK, there is start up lag for the special moves so that the opponent has time to react to it and block it.

 

[Anteo]

So someone told me today that they purposefully implemented input lag into this game. Confirm/deny?

If so, why on earth would someone ever think that would be a good idea?

Its the same thing from tekken:

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/apr/06/harada-good-netcode-theres-no-such-code-automatically-makes-latency-issues-go-away-magic-tekken-7s-low-lag-techniques-explained/

Katsuhiro Harada: For instance, imagine if the developer were to implement some moves in the fighting game that have a start-up animation of 1F (1/60th of a second in the case of recent Tekken games) after the player hits a button.
If a developer were to do that, then when the game is played online, you'd definitely run into latency issues where these moves would lag behind by numerous frames.
Famitsu: Well, yes, that's true. It takes time for the data to travel through the Internet pipes over a long distance.
Harada: And that's why 1-frame start-up moves would definitely be heavily affected by lag in online matches. This is a bit of an extreme example, but basically when a fighting game supports online play, what it means is that the game has to be designed with that premise in mind.
This is a topic that other fighting game developers have been discussing quite a lot about recently too. Like I thought, everyone's facing pretty much the same kind of problems and challenges when making their games playable online.
Famitsu: So how does Tekken 7 solve these problems?
Harada: For instance when the player hits the punch button or perform other actions, we put in a brief buffer period between the button press and when the punch move or action actually starts happening on-screen, as a measure to reduce the perception of lag.
Subsequently, if there is lag online, what the game can do in theory is to skip over certain frames or parts of the move's animation. In other words, in order to keep the amount of time elapsed -- between when the player hits a button and when the move actually hits -- consistent, the game makes adjustments to the move animations accordingly.

I believe its 7 frames of universal starup on moves in pokken

I wonder how its done in SF4

 

[PreyingShark]

6 frames of nothing, execution on 7th frame, yes.

It's for online. They reduce the amount of delay as needed to maintain that 6 frames as much as possible. I heard it's not there for LAN though.

 

[Anteo]

6 frames of nothing, execution on 7th frame, yes.

It's for online. They reduce the amount of delay as needed to maintain that 6 frames as much as possible. I heard it's not there for LAN though.

But that way your online and training mode grind would not apply to tournaments.

 

[PreyingShark]

But that way your online and training mode grind would not apply to tournaments.

This is why I'm skeptical of that theory but I haven't been able to test it myself.

 

[Wiseblade]

Putting in some Weavile practice, Agility's invincibility is obscene.

 

[Menitta]

Anyone up for a match?

 

[Speedwagon]

Just got the Hori Pokken controller yesterday and this thing is mad nice. Will finally get back into this game soon.

 

[Menitta]

Failing a rank up is infuriating.

 

[Wiseblade]

Anyone in Euro-PokéGAF up for some games?

 

[Ricky 7]

It's seems like when ever you beat someone who is B Rank or above they quit before the match is over. =/

 

[Regiruler]

It's seems like when ever you beat someone who is B Rank or above they quit before the match is over. =/

How do you think they got that rating?

Absolute scumbags.

 

[Ricky 7]

How do you think they got that rating?

Absolute scumbags.

Is there any point in playing anymore if everyone does that? It's like it's not possible to rank up any more.

 

[Wiseblade]

It's seems like when ever you beat someone who is B Rank or above they quit before the match is over. =/

B ranks aren't that bad in my experience. it's the A and S rank players who are the real ragequitters.

Is there any point in playing anymore if everyone does that? It's like it's not possible to rank up any more.

I'm basically resorting to starting twitter feuds to get quality sets.

 

[Ricky 7]

B ranks aren't that bad in my experience. it's the A and S rank players who are the real ragequitters.

I'm basically resorting to starting twitter feuds to get quality sets.

Someone needs to to get Bandai Namco aware of this quitting situation. They fixed the Shadow Mewtwo glitch so it's worth a try.