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Pokkén Tournament |OT| King of Iron Tail Tournament
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TriggerShy
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Really? I've been seeing more diverse sets, but I play Friendlies only, so I'm probably just running into people who just don't have the support.
Maybe, but it does charge pretty fast and it never really hurts to get a burst attack in.
No, but it's surely coming. I'm sure Bandai Namco will address the Mewtwo infinite.
Is there a GAF thread on Pokken outselling Street Fighter V? I want to see what the reactions here were to that.
sixteen-bit
Member
yeah
Has anyone got hints on how to get good?
I keep getting blown up in the tournament stage of the Red League and it's making me so fucking salty.
Like, I just lost three tournaments in a row on round 1.
I'm playing as R.Pika, if that has anything to do with anything.
EDIT: Okay so I cooled off and went back to the Red League and managed to sweep the tournament stage and the promotion test, then I ran up against Shadow Mewtwo and got rekt.
It's fine tho because Chandelure's neutral A attack breaks the AI something like 90% of the time. I even found a video.
I keep getting blown up in the tournament stage of the Red League and it's making me so fucking salty.
Like, I just lost three tournaments in a row on round 1.
I'm playing as R.Pika, if that has anything to do with anything.
EDIT: Okay so I cooled off and went back to the Red League and managed to sweep the tournament stage and the promotion test, then I ran up against Shadow Mewtwo and got rekt.
It's fine tho because Chandelure's neutral A attack breaks the AI something like 90% of the time. I even found a video.
Some videos from the Kanto Japan Pokken tournament:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL35kipNhMda1DsRM2xEne_QQqvKAPhDyS
The final consisted of Machamp VS Charizard, the two Pokemon people tend to think are the worst in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL35kipNhMda1DsRM2xEne_QQqvKAPhDyS
The final consisted of Machamp VS Charizard, the two Pokemon people tend to think are the worst in the game.
copelandmaster
Member
...hahahahaha...yeah...fuck no, all the Charizards online these days are really good... (but there's like 2 of them (proving the point?), one from Mexico and the other from Japan... and they are the kings of...fun stuff). Which means I really need to watch this tournament...
OT:
It's been quite a hectic 2 months with this game. I have a lot to say about it.
I've almost completely stopped using Braixen. She's adorable, but so mediocre at everything except being cheeky. She is the worst at combos (more than half depend on Sunny D and/or charges... FFS I don't have time (or the connection) for that shit; the worst at spamming (everything can be CADC'd easily, long startups), mediocre cancel and grab game.
Chaining combos in this game is so sticky and stingy, getting around the shield for a confirm only to get CA'd is some shit, and if you press buttons too much (very easy to do) bad things happen.
So I said 'fuck it' and switched to Machamp.
About Machamp - You will eat spam. So much. 70% of your time will be spent dealing with spam... 75% of the cast will piss you off. You will spend a lot of time really hating how FREE and uninterrupt-able (yet predictable, thankfully) the yellow rat and the jackal can be (especially Bursted).
But that's OK.
Because Machamp is a fundamentals god that hits like a goddamn truck (his grabs are so goooooooooood). Unlike every other fighting game on the planet, you can survive online in Pokken with just fundamentals (and CACD). Fuck combos, you don't need anything else but launch > launch again (maybe) > ORA ORA.
Almost nobody uses Machamp, but when I do have mirrors, they are some of the best fights. People who have worked hard to get where they are and have the actual skill to show for it.
I played Friendly matches up to about 300 games up until a month ago (now 61.54%~ 416T, 256W,160L win ratio currently) when I finally stumbled into Ranked.
After 3-4(?) weekends... 143T, 94W, 49L 65.73% - Just ascended to rank C4. What a fucking road, goddamn.
I've stepped over a lot of bodies on the way here. People stuck in D3/2/1 or C-anything with several hundred to several thousand games to their name and the sub 50%/40% ratios to show for it. Ran into a lot of rank downs. I imagine these people are stuck in their own personal version of hell.
Some Machamp musings:
There is a phenomenon that happens occasionally online, Dual Phase - an invisible force field of sorts that pops up, reducing your walking/movement distance by 90%. This has cost me at least 2 games so far.
I am extremely sensitive to lag now. Most of my games, being on Friday nights, are international. Mexico and France are lots of fun to deal with. I've missed a lot of CA's do to missed inputs from latent games.
Bopping a shield once and then grabbing out of it while the opponent keeps guarding is a neat Machamp trick.
Nobody expects Scary Face.
Poke trends and comments on each.
- Blaziken: Down from launch. People who know what they are doing are very Successful. Boring.
- Pikachu: The same. Lots of Free garbage. Predictable. Favorite of shitty, asshole-ish, and positively dumb children, I swear. Damn near Un-combo able because the fucker is so small. Lightning spam substitutes for actual skill.
- Lucario: Up from launch. People found out he's pretty free and that his Burst is high tier, save for BONER CRUSH. CA essential.
- Gardevoir: Up from launch. People who know what they're doing are very Successful. I actually found a guy in Ranked who had played 46 games and won 45 of them. I was his second loss :^)
- R.Pika: Way down from launch. Rolling hitbox can be blocked and punished, which is great because between that and the net, that's all they usually know.
- Sceptile: Down from launch, almost none in Ranked, all in E. And yet, Successful. Burst is high teir, like Lucario. A fan of the CA.
- Gengar: About the same. Field phase running X has a hitbox that makes no fucking sense. Favorite of people who don't learn from mistakes. Which makes sense because if they Burst, its over for you if they are good and a loss or a win for you if they are trash. The buzzsaw fucking beats everything including Bursts FFS. I'm still salty about that fucking chain grab.
- Machamp: Up from launch, only because there were none at launch (not a popular poke). Nearly all of them are excellent, given the shit they have to put up with (all are in the 60's like me. Being buff is suffering). The best no bullshit grabs (the lamp, the ghost, the grass ninja) in the game. Will trap you in the corner with rocks.
- Braixen: The same/UP, even in ranked. In fact, there are are quite a few in ranked. There is no middleground. You're either a success with a ratio to show for it (because you are an asshole. I'm not salty, It's the only way to survive because Braix is so mediocre) or hovering at 45% or lower ranked/unranked. Playing dirty is the nature of the game. Get your shit together Bamco, this is a crying shame.
- Mewtwo: The same. Favorite of fraudulent players. Favorite moves are the Panic Button (up A) and Fire/Ice punch - both highly punishable with a 200 HP damaging Machamp grab. They all play the same.
- Chandelure: The same. I'm salty about this character, yes. Not because they beat me often, but because they they are toxic. They suck all the fun out of playing this game, because the nature of this mon is everything horrible about fighting games all rolled into one character (beams, cheap grabs, keep-away play, Overheat+ assist pokemon remove status effect). In addition, They are boring because they all play the same basic bitch defense game. And yet, they are not really Successful, because a lot of them have low Ratios. I guess Machamp is just its best matchup.
- Suicune: Down since launch. Can be very Successful, especially against Machamp. I've noticed that a lot of the top tournament players use this character. Has a mean air and combo game.
- Weavile: Down since launch. Braixen suffers against this character because she is so slow. They are either middle of the road, or really good. 50/50.
- Charizard: Way the hell down since launch, like endangered species tier. Guess all the kids who played him gave up. Those two dudes from Japan and Mexico who still play him know all the best tricks to piss me off... but they are absolutely genuine.
- Garchomp: Extinct, probably. I haven't seen any in weeks, either that or I'm forgetting (I do remember getting around a Burst, I think). Which is weird because the ones who were left were pretty good, but this was back when I was still trying with Braixen. When they still roamed the plains of Pokken Tournament's online, they were a fan of both the counter attack, the dig cancel, and that fucking charged grab thing.
- S.Mewtwo: Way down. Played by people who can be scary good. Lot's of cheap shit - I recently learned that the 'heavy tracking shadowball+thunder' move cannot be physically attacked through because that digital pattern thing is actually a fucking shield.
In summary:
Solid first effort in regards to mechanics.
Shitty singleplayer.
You can be a fundamentals only and be succesful.
The sequel will need heavy adjustments in regards to wake up options for the character on the ground. It's easy enough to predict now, but still absolutely the biggest problem with the game, heavily skewed for the attacker.
They should consider sidestepping options for Dual phase combat, but can understand not wanting to add it in because they would have to re-do everything (your poke tracks the movement, as seen in this hilarious glitch).
EVO prospects???
Tournament players have been very cordial about wakeup so far, but come EVO they wont be playing so nicely. I don't think people are going to like watching this game, it looks very cheap and very stupid outside looking in. Pokken players will "get it", but will be none the less frazzled at the shenanigans on display. Top 8 -16 will involve Shadow Mewtwo, Suicune, Pikachu, and Chandalure...multiples of them. Maybe a few wildcards like Sceptile (who recently won a tournament) or Lucario. KOF XIV will take its spot next year unless pokemon fans show up in smash tier droves on Twitch.
EDIT: For those who want to learn Machamp / Lucario, watch these guys play. Holy crap. Dude's S5!!!
Pokkén Tournament Friendlies: Pentao (Lucario) Vs. Ouroboro (Machamp) Pt. 1 & 2
As a Gengar player I agree with this, lol. Burst with Gengar is such an insane comeback tool, more so than any other character I feel.
So in my eagerness to build a local Pokkén community, I persuaded a smash TO group to let me host a Pokkén tournament alongside their Smash 4 weekly.
So if you are in London on Monday, drop by!
https://www.facebook.com/events/1677764805820097/?ti=cl
So if you are in London on Monday, drop by!
https://www.facebook.com/events/1677764805820097/?ti=cl
balladofwindfishes
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There's a big patch coming out next week.
There's some speculation on reddit that maybe they announce some additional content at E3 or something, considering when the update is hitting.
There's some speculation on reddit that maybe they announce some additional content at E3 or something, considering when the update is hitting.
Interesting. I suppose we'll see if there's anything else to the update soon.
Hmm, reading the notes... I forget what Gardevoir's 4Y is in Duel phase. I think it's the move where she crouches down and shoots a low to the ground projectile? I never really used it that much. Curious to see how fast it'll be now.
Hmm, reading the notes... I forget what Gardevoir's 4Y is in Duel phase. I think it's the move where she crouches down and shoots a low to the ground projectile? I never really used it that much. Curious to see how fast it'll be now.
SolicitorPirate
Member
I'm surprised they're buffing that move. It was already one of her fastest projectiles.
That said, Garde has always been a fairly slow projectile character, so a speed buff is always nice
How much of a boost did it give him? The only other characters with burst time reductions were Pikalibre and Shadow Mewtwo.
Gengar got a slight buff. Garchomp got buffs as well so that's cool. It's strange how much I enjoy him here despite not liking him in the mainline games much.
Only 12 seconds which is already one of the shortest in the game which is why I'm surprised they've made it even shorter.
I can play. Let me know what the versus code is and I'll be there in a bit.
I set up the lobby! The password is "gaf"! Looking forward to some good matches.
Good games! Those were some fun matches.
Those were!! I learned so much. Your Gardevoir is impressive! But watch out for my Sceptile. ;]
Anyone up for some games? I haven't touched this game in a while...
Edit: Oh yeah! Now I remember why I dropped it! Because it kept putting me with A ranks when I try to get to fucking C RANK!!!!
Edit: I finally got to C Rank...After maaaaaany loses due to lag and rage quitters...
Edit: Oh yeah! Now I remember why I dropped it! Because it kept putting me with A ranks when I try to get to fucking C RANK!!!!
Edit: I finally got to C Rank...After maaaaaany loses due to lag and rage quitters...
balladofwindfishes
Member
Scizor, Darkrai and Empoleon files were added
There's your water starter.
They could be supports as well (the files structures are basically the same both both characters and supports apparently), but there's an odd number of them, so one of them might be playable.
There's your water starter.
They could be supports as well (the files structures are basically the same both both characters and supports apparently), but there's an odd number of them, so one of them might be playable.
El Sabroso
Member
Scizor has been so popular at least until 5th gen, haven't played much competitive in XY/ORAS, makes sense to be in Pokken as playlable
sixteen-bit
Member
there might be a patch with new characters?
witchedwiz
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balladofwindfishes
Member
Scizor has been popular since he came out. A cool looking evolution of an already incredibly popular Pokemon.
Likely one of Gen II's most well known and loved Pokemon.
They're going to add 3 new Pokemon and then the CSS will be lopsided...
They also could be new supports, although, given the odd number of them, it might mean at least one of them is playable.
Not that he just cool looking, but that he's such a dominant force in the competitive scene. He checks both casual and hardcore boxes, something that not all pokemon can do.
balladofwindfishes
Member
The mental image of Empoleon waddling around the battle field is making me laugh.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I am thinking Scizor and Empoleon are Support, Darkrai is playable.
If a game's OT isn't active enough mods tend to leave it be. The Digimon CS thread is still in gaming side as well.
El Pescado
Member
Is this where we're expecting new characters to be released?
Top 8 archive from CEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKJG_UCyXiA
Top 16 is here: https://www.twitch.tv/pokkentournament/v/74647995
There were 249 entrants iirc. Wish I could've gone. Still enjoyed watching it though.
Characters in Top 16:
Suicune x3
Sceptile x2
Mewtwo x2
Charizad x3
Garchomp x1
Pikachu x1
Pikalibre x1
Shadow Mewtwo x1
Chandelure x3
Top 16 is here: https://www.twitch.tv/pokkentournament/v/74647995
There were 249 entrants iirc. Wish I could've gone. Still enjoyed watching it though.
Characters in Top 16:
Suicune x3
Sceptile x2
Mewtwo x2
Charizad x3
Garchomp x1
Pikachu x1
Pikalibre x1
Shadow Mewtwo x1
Chandelure x3
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
r.i.p gard chanda makes you pointless
At least she still has presence in the top 32. After counting them (including those used as secondaries) this is what I got:
Suicune: 4
Mewtwo: 4
S. Mewtwo: 4
Chandelure: 4
Charizard : 4
Weavile: 3
Sceptile: 2
Garchomp: 2
Lucario: 2
Gardevoir: 2
Pikalibre: 1
Pikachu: 1
So Blaziken, Braixen, Machamp, and Gengar were the only Pokemon who were not used at all by the top 32 players. A quarter of the cast!
Geminosity
Member
I finally caved and bought a 2nd hand copy today. Too much to do to actually play it and I can't really justify spending the money but c'est la vie XD
No braixen, No watch
PreyingShark
Member
Tonosama should be at EVO. He's one of the best players in the world and he switched from Sceptile to Braixen when the Wii U version came out.I finally caved and bought a 2nd hand copy today. Too much to do to actually play it and I can't really justify spending the money but c'est la vie XD
No braixen, No watch
He's also a furry.
You might get to see him on stream. :O
LOL NO
Garde is easily the best Zoner in the game and is actually capable of fighting up close unlike Chandelure, who just falls apart.
Blaziken and Machamp make a MUCH bigger impact in the European tournaments, with Blaziken winning UK Nationals and Machamp winning Italian nationals.
Braixen is dead everywhere though.
Same.
I wonder if there's a site that has detailed tournament results for every character like Smash Boards does.
Not really. People have done a good job of tracking who has qualified and how many points people have, but individual tournament results are harder to find. The European events not having publicly available brackets doesn't help either.
For real though, I have yet to see a US Blaziken on the level of the EU Blazikens.