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speculawyer

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Flying_Phoenix said:
Yeah I wanted a title that's more mature but not too "old sounding" if that makes sense.

And a buzzer sounds interesting but potentially abusive.

Also what's with the left's hate on vaccines?.
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Yeah, a buzzer could get abusive.

There is a faction of earthy lefties that reject vaccines as not being 'natural' and there are those irrational out-dated vaccine-cause-autism fears. But like a lot of the left nutty stuff, it is mostly just the fringe and you don't really have politicians that will endorse those views.
 
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Rocket Scientist

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So there's a tape of that play obama went to but the person doesn't want to release it. Conservatives are obviously going all ''if it's harmless why not release it''. I thought they knew exactly what was in the play already.

Edit: Are conservative blogs really using this quote:
Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care,” says Fluke.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...tives-hearing/2012/02/16/gIQAJh57HR_blog.html

As proof that she explicitly enrolled to combat the college's stance on contraceptive coverage? Wow. Also just read some stuff on gender reassignment and how she has apparently advocated that it be covered by health insurance because it's medically necessary for some. I thought it was widely accepted that this is true? Yet somehow these conservative blogs are arguing that it's not medically necessary.

Edit 2: Yeah I'm not visiting conservative blogs anymore. These people are scary. One other thing they are up in arms over is a ''White House intimidation page'' to get Rush off the air on military bases or something. Only thing is... it's a user created petition. Yet they're spreading it as the White House trying to get him off the air. Come on. Come on.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl
 
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gcubed

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Diablos said:
Looks like Mittens finally has this thing.

...or could someone else knock him back down again?

At this point there's no one else left to do it. Santorum was the latest, and final, flavor of the month.



It's March.
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without a crushing return into a recession with complete reversal of job gains and flaming rain drops from the sky, its over. Its been over for at least 3 months
 
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Manmademan

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Diablos said:
Looks like Mittens finally has this thing.

...or could someone else knock him back down again?

At this point there's no one else left to do it. Santorum was the latest, and final, flavor of the month.



It's March.
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Sure it's March. Romney has been campaigning for months, participating in endless debates. There's not a whole lot of new material he can bring to the table, or new voters he can expose himself to. and unfortunately for him the more he does so, the worse his numbers have gotten.

Obama hasn't even started, and is a very, VERY good campaigner. It's only going to get worse.
 
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RDreamer

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Mitch McConnell and the GOP are going to continue to push this?

"There's no compromise here," said GOP presidential hopeful Rick Santorum, a Catholic and favorite among religious conservatives. "They are forcing religious organizations, either directly or indirectly, to pay for something that they find is a deeply, morally, you know, wrong thing. And this is not what the government should be doing."
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I just don't get it. I really really don't. How is this some religious infringement? I mean the health insurance companies want to provide it. If you're against contraception you don't have to buy it. Trying to demand that insurance companies cannot cover it to your employees is crazy. It's like demanding that employees can't do or buy something with their salary. I mean this is their pay. It's pretty much a part of their salary.
 
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Flying_Phoenix

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adamsappel said:
I'm not saying they weren't good guests, but they are random folks from the Internet, and if schedules conflict, your show is probably a lower priority. You've had to beg and postpone your podcast a few times for just that reason. Nothing wrong with bringing them on when available (I think GAF is a great source for intelligent liberal and conservative views), but I wouldn't plan my show around them.

Anyway, best of luck!
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Yeah that's what I'm thinking too.
 
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RoninChaos

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Hey, FP, I'm down to come on again, but I'm working a 9-5 now so mornings can be tough. still down to help if you need anything though. Good luck!
 
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Black Republican

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Lisa Murkowski admits she fucked up and wouldnt vote for the blunt bill if she had a 2nd chance:

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) regrets voting for a controversial birth control amendment by Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) and wouldn't vote for it again if given the chance, she told the Anchorage Daily News this week.

"I have never had a vote I've taken where I have felt that I let down more people that believed in me," she said in a Sunday interview with the newspaper. Asked if she would vote for the amendment again if she could do it over, Murkowski said, "No."

Murkowski voted in lockstep with most of her party to try to pass Blunt's amendment to a senate transportation bill, which would have allowed any employer to refuse to cover contraception or any other health service by citing moral reasons. The measure went down in a 51-48 vote, but only after weeks of both parties ratcheting up the debate over protecting women's access to contraception versus preserving religious liberty. Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) was the only Republican who voted against it.

The Anchorage Daily News column says Murkowski returned to Alaska after the amendment failed and kept running into female voters unhappy with her over her vote. Murkowski told them she had voted for the amendment because she wanted to send a message that the health care law needed stronger protections for religious conscience. But public debate on the measure had changed, she said, and what was supposed to be a "messaging amendment" on religious freedom, an issue Republicans were hoping to champion, ended up becoming a vote on contraception rights.

In the end, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) saw Republicans' plan backfiring and pushed for a vote on the GOP amendment to give Democrats a political win.

Murkowski conceded that Republicans lost that battle. "The wind had shifted, and Republicans didn't have enough sense to get off of it," she told the n]ewspaper.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/06/lisa-murkowski-blunt-amendment_n_1323427.html?1331042731

its also confirmed NJ rep Don Payne (77), 1st black congressmen elected has died
 
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Invisible_Insane

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Meanwhile, in Libya:

Reuters said:
Eastern Libya defies Tripoli to create autonomous council
(Reuters) - Civic leaders in Libya's eastern Cyrenaica province, home to most of the country's oil, have declared the creation of a council to administer the province's affairs.

Tuesday's declaration does not carry official force but it puts the province - unhappy for many years at what it regards as neglect by rulers in Tripoli - on course for a confrontation with Libya's interim leadership, the National Transitional Council (NTC).

About 3,000 delegates at a congress in the eastern city of Benghazi installed Ahmed al-Senussi, a relative of Libya's former king and a political prisoner under ousted leader Muammar Gaddafi, as head of the new council.

Moves towards greater autonomy for Cyrenaica will worry international oil companies operating in Libya, because it raises the prospect of them having to re-negotiate their contracts with a new entity.

The declaration by the congress did not make clear whether the new provincial council would exist within the NTC's institutions, or be a rival to it.

Asked to clarify that point, Mohammed Buisier, one of the organisers of Tuesday's congress, told Reuters: "I've been in contact with people in Tripoli and I told them 'come here and negotiate'... It should be through negotiation." (Additional reporting by Ali Shuaib, Christian Lowe and Hisham El Dani in Tripoli; Writing by Christian Lowe; editing by Robert Woodward
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RDreamer

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The Anchorage Daily News column says Murkowski returned to Alaska after the amendment failed and kept running into female voters unhappy with her over her vote. Murkowski told them she had voted for the amendment because she wanted to send a message that the health care law needed stronger protections for religious conscience.
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A messaging amendment? Stronger protections for religious conscience? What the fuck more do these people want? What in the world sort of conscience protections can you put in this shit without it being a loophole you could drive a truck through?
 
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Rocket Scientist

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On Tuesday, Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner (D-Cleveland) will introduce a bill aimed at cracking down on prescription drugs like Viagra that treat erectile dysfunction. Turner’s legislation would make men jump through certain hoops — such as psychological screenings — before they could obtain the meds.
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“I care about the health of men as well, and I thought it only fair that we illustrate that and make sure that a man is fully informed of the risks involved in taking these drugs and also the alternatives such as natural remedies or also celibacy,” Turner said.
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...state Sen. Janet Howell introduced an amendment to the bill that would have required men to get a rectal exam and cardiac stress tests before obtaining a prescription for erectile dysfunction medication. Her amendment failed 21-19 while the ultrasound bill ultimately passed.
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http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...l-health-and-prove-a-point.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

I love it.
 
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teiresias

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RDreamer said:
Mitch McConnell and the GOP are going to continue to push this?



I just don't get it. I really really don't. How is this some religious infringement? I mean the health insurance companies want to provide it. If you're against contraception you don't have to buy it. Trying to demand that insurance companies cannot cover it to your employees is crazy. It's like demanding that employees can't do or buy something with their salary. I mean this is their pay. It's pretty much a part of their salary.
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This angle was brought up on The Diane Rehm Show the other day. Since health insurance is considered part of ones compensation - essentially salary - the GOP is trying to regulate individual employees use off their own salary. It gets right back into defending unequal pay for women.
 
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RDreamer

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The better part of that quote is the ending:

"I don't even consider myself wealthy, which is an interesting thing. It can be here today gone tomorrow."
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What in hell is she planning to do that could get rid of like $200 million? She seriously lives in fear that her money could be gone tomorrow? What the hell? That's a special kind of deluded, I think.
 
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Invisible_Insane

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RDreamer said:
The better part of that quote is the ending:

What in hell is she planning to do that could get rid of like $200 million? She seriously lives in fear that her money could be gone tomorrow? What the hell? That's a special kind of deluded, I think.
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Mitt Romney, if I remember correctly, didn't make any money in 2009. He's worth 200 million on paper, but paper has a way of losing its value if the economy craters like it did in 2007. It's not a wholly unreasonable thing to say.
 
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Invisible_Insane

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RustyNails said:
Not when you got it all stashed away in a Swiss account.
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Motivation notwithstanding, he closed his Swiss account years ago. But that's beside the point. I don't think it makes sense to be zealously uncharitable about everything the Romneys say, even if my distaste for him as a politician is profound. Romney is not sitting on 200 million in liquid assets, and his wife's statement that their wealth could disappear quite suddenly is not inaccurate or ridiculous.
 
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RDreamer

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Invisible_Insane said:
Mitt Romney, if I remember correctly, didn't make any money in 2009. He's worth 200 million on paper, but paper has a way of losing its value if the economy craters like it did in 2007. It's not a wholly unreasonable thing to say.
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I suppose that is very true. But I would have to think they've got enough put away in actual accounts and in real money terms that they could live far more comfortably than 90% of the rest of America for years should something even pretty drastic happen.
 
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Sirpopopop

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gcubed said:
without a crushing return into a recession with complete reversal of job gains and flaming rain drops from the sky, its over. Its been over for at least 3 months
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Today says hello. :(

With that said, I would expect the stock market to drop by at least 4-5,000 points in the first year of a Mitt Romney presidency. Based on his policies, I can't see any other outcome.
 
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SouthernDragon

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Invisible_Insane said:
Motivation notwithstanding, he closed his Swiss account years ago. But that's beside the point. I don't think it makes sense to be zealously uncharitable about everything the Romneys say, even if my distaste for him as a politician is profound. Romney is not sitting on 200 million in liquid assets, and his wife's statement that their wealth could disappear quite suddenly is not inaccurate or ridiculous.
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If Romney is good with his money (and he is), he'll have diversified his assets so that they are either rather liquid or are invested in rock-solid industries.

Basically, if the Romney fortune vanishes it's rather indicative of a economic crisis where we're all fucked.
 
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GhaleonEB

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Invisible_Insane said:
Mitt Romney, if I remember correctly, didn't make any money in 2009. He's worth 200 million on paper, but paper has a way of losing its value if the economy craters like it did in 2007. It's not a wholly unreasonable thing to say.
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You don't lose all your money when the market is rough. Romeny made $40m over the past two years. That implies a massive bed of wealth they are sitting on. Unless they're dumping it all into amazingly bad investments, it can't just disappear. And even if it cratered to "just" a few million, they're still set for life. It was an absurd comment. I don't really care for elevating stuff spouses say, but it was a pretty telling quote about the bubble the Romney's live in.
 
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PhoenixDark

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SouthernDragon said:
If Romney is good with his money (and he is), he'll have diversified his assets so that they are either rather liquid or are invested in rock-solid industries.

Basically, if the Romney fortune vanishes it's rather indicative of a economic crisis where we're all fucked.
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Not to mention the money he has from his dad. So yea, the idea of his money being "here today gone tomorrow" is utterly ridiculous.
 
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Orbis Tabula

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Ugh, just had the worst dentist visit. Normally during the checkups, she has the tv on playing Fox News. I just ignore it, or laugh quietly to myself about the stupid stuff they say and low lay. But today she was watching and commenting on the stories and asking me all sorts of questions. I just nodded my head and smiled, figured I wasn't in a position to get in a big political argument. She was trying to decide who to vote for in the upcoming primary (We live in Virginia). She said she doesn't like Romney, since "he's basically a Kennedy Democrat" nor Ron Paul because "I tried the Libertarian thing, and I think we need at least some regulation" but she'll probably vote for Romney because "We don't need four more years of The Socialist."
 
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PhoenixDark

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EskimoJoe said:
Ugh, just had the worst dentist visit. Normally during the checkups, she has the tv on playing Fox News. I just ignore it, or laugh quietly to myself about the stupid stuff they say and low lay. But today she was watching and commenting on the stories and asking me all sorts of questions. I just nodded my head and smiled, figured I wasn't in a position to get in a big political argument. She was trying to decide who to vote for in the upcoming primary (We live in Virginia). She said she doesn't like Romney, since "he's basically a Kennedy Democrat" nor Ron Paul because "I tried the Libertarian thing, and I think we need at least some regulation" but she'll probably vote for Romney because "We don't need four more years of The Socialist."
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Ha, I work at a dental office and cringe whenever someone talks politics openly. It can create a hostile work environment and turn patients off. Although there's only one republican working there (dental assistant), at least one that I definitively know is republican. We had a patient going on quite an epic rant about how Obama is doing a good job but republicans want to fuck everything up, and the assistant walked out of the operatory and told me "if she doesn't shut up I'm gonna explode" lmao
 
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speculawyer

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gcubed said:
without a crushing return into a recession with complete reversal of job gains and flaming rain drops from the sky, its over. Its been over for at least 3 months
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Yeah, it is looking pretty bad for Romney. And Romney has unfavorable ratings that are currently higher than McCain, W, and Bob Dole had at this point in the contest. The only way I see Romney winning is some big outside factor such as huge European collapse or some other financial disaster.
 
mckmas8808

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RDreamer said:
The better part of that quote is the ending:



What in hell is she planning to do that could get rid of like $200 million? She seriously lives in fear that her money could be gone tomorrow? What the hell? That's a special kind of deluded, I think.
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She's saying that she could die at any time. She was also talking about her MS medical condition. Though I still think she's dumb not to consider herself wealthy.
 
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mckmas8808

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speculawyer said:
Yeah, it is looking pretty bad for Romney. And Romney has unfavorable ratings that are currently higher than McCain, W, and Bob Dole had at this point in the contest. The only way I see Romney winning is some big outside factor such as huge European collapse or some other financial disaster.
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And I also hate when people say he can just slide back to the middle during the GE. I'm sorry but how the heck can he pull that off and NOT piss off the far right? Wouldn't they just sit at home if he pushed back to the middle?
 
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Dr. Pangloss

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Interesting quote from the AG in Virginia:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/how-long-can-states-block-obamacare/2012/03/06/gIQAqHVmuR_blog.html
In a brief interview at the Republican Attorneys General Association meeting, Cuccinelli said it would be “contrary to the law” not to implement it. But he pointed out that it might not be easy for the federal government to force states to comply if they continued to resist.

“It’s not like there’s criminal penalties out there — it becomes a power struggle,” he said. Cuccinelli noted that it would not be the first time that states have tried to obstruct federal laws, pointing out that states resisted complying with the Alien and Sedition Acts and fugitive slave laws.

“There have been periods of time when states have just thrown their hands up and said, ‘We’re not going to do this,’” he said. “It’s still possible, but it’s outside the expected legal structure.”
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Nullification still lives in the heart of the South.
 
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Effect

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mckmas8808 said:
And I also hate when people say he can just slide back to the middle during the GE. I'm sorry but how the heck can he pull that off and NOT piss off the far right? Wouldn't they just sit at home if he pushed back to the middle?
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I think the idea that someone could do that is still a hold over from the pre-Internet, social media, 24/7 news channel days. It's just not possible. The difference between when Bush Jr ran and now is like night and day. Not only would he piss off the right but he'd be hammered by the press and they'd have plenty of footage showing the change which hurts him as well. There are great ratings in knocking someone down. You can't hide that type of move anymore. You have to start off with the GE in mind yet the extreme right doesn't allow it. Until that part of the party is severed from the republican party outright or the moderates in that party create a new one I think they're screwed when it comes to the presidency going forward. I don't so much mind that though. The republicans created this problem themselves. I'm just fine with it being their undoing.
 
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GhaleonEB said:
You don't lose all your money when the market is rough. Romeny made $40m over the past two years. That implies a massive bed of wealth they are sitting on. Unless they're dumping it all into amazingly bad investments, it can't just disappear. And even if it cratered to "just" a few million, they're still set for life. It was an absurd comment. I don't really care for elevating stuff spouses say, but it was a pretty telling quote about the bubble the Romney's live in.
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What slays me is how this comes after her making a joke about how she was going to do all the talking since Mitt kept making statements akin to this.
 
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Manmademan

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PhoenixDark said:
Didn't know that. Well that makes him more generous than Barry, Santorum, etc
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Yeah, Obama should have given away his gigantic inheritance once he used it to establish himself and was sitting on millions.

are you serious? Even Santorum kind of gets a pass here, since he's not really all that wealthy and has a gigantic family with some really expensive medical bills from a special needs kid.

FYI: Obama did donate the 1.4 million Nobel Prize money to 10 charities, instead of keeping it- so there's that.
 
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Manmademan

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Bulbo Urethral Baggins said:
1995 according to Wikipedia.


I'm sure his parents helped him through school, etc.
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exactly. One of the largest benefits of being wealthy is resources and networking.

Private Prep school instead of public high school?
Missionary work overseas in France? (and the accompanying deferments that kept him out of vietnam?)
Further schooling at BYU and Harvard?
Even during THIS presidential run, he was using his father's name and goodwill to claim Michigan as a "home state".

claiming romney didn't benefit from his father's wealth and influence is patently false. Santorum and Obama didn't have nearly the same advantages.
 
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Chichikov

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It's all just silly politics anyway, it's once again based on the dumb idea that a person's biography is somehow a good predictor of his administration.
For fuck's sake, FDR had a privileged life that made Romney looks like a hobo, but that didn't turn him into President Scrooge.

The problem with Romney isn't that he was born rich, it's the policies he's trying to promote.
 
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