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gcubed

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ToxicAdam said:
So, 'because you say so'. Interesting intellectual argument. In some parts of the world people would call that 'bullshit'.





Inventing arguments now or is it a constant battle of voices in your head?


You know how I know women are bad drivers? Everytime one cuts me off or does something dangerous I check to see who is driving .. and it's almost always a woman! Herp derp 'It's just logic!'
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maybe he is confused because the Dems take the focused approach while the GOP takes a shotgun approach. There has been a laser like focus on the Koch brothers for a while now, while the GOP hops from boogeyman to boogeyman. The actual amount of attention paid to cumulative boogeymen is the same
 
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speculawyer

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I just remembered something. After no stockpiles of WMDs were found in Iraq, many conservatives went with the conspiracy theory of 'Saddam secretly moved them to Syria'!

So . . . if Syria has these WMDs, why are they not using them now?

Of course they don't really exist . . . that just pokes a hole in that conspiracy theory. But no matter, a new conspiracy theory will just replace it.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Aaron Strife said:
I'm sure one day someone will uncover a video of college Obama smokin' the dope and saying something outlandish about America. But not today.
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Do you really think this will happen? If so why? Do you kinda feel like he didn't like America at some point?
 
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Aaron Strife

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mckmas8808 said:
Do you really think this will happen? If so why? Do you kinda feel like he didn't like America at some point?
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Eh, not really. I guess I could just see it happening where some conservative clown sounds the alarm for the umpteenth time, and then actually has something, like what happened with Weinergate.

That being said, I don't question Obama's patriotism. I have to think if anything like that ever happened, it'd be similar to Obama's "My Muslim heritage" remark that Republicans love to bring up - something phrased clumsily and taken out of context.
 
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ToxicAdam

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Jackson50 said:
Although I concur the majority are already inclined towards a particular candidate by means of partisan affiliation, I wouldn't necessarily label it lying. Instead, I think most are presently disconnected from the campaign. Moreover, it's primarily weak partisans and leaners who've hitherto invested nothing in the campaign. I'm guessing many only have a vague idea who Warren is. And although most will probably support their preferred party irrespective of the candidate, they probably feel undecided aptly describes them.
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Yea, lie was a poor word choice.

gcubed said:
maybe he is confused because the Dems take the focused approach while the GOP takes a shotgun approach. There has been a laser like focus on the Koch brothers for a while now, while the GOP hops from boogeyman to boogeyman. The actual amount of attention paid to cumulative boogeymen is the same
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Well, my initial comment was that both sides did it. There is no real way to quantify who 'does it more' and I never attempted to. So anyone that claims to have that knowledge is pretty foolish, in my eyes.

Although a particular sect of the right (led by Beck) seems focused on attacking the secular humanists and turning that into the latest slur (ala Socialism). This has it's roots during the Carter years, but appears to be coming back in vogue lately. Alinsky is just the latest of names the right it trying to canonize (or demonize?) into the lore. So his name becomes shorthand for a distasteful worldview in the same way people use Ayn Rand.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

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TestOfTide said:
Where did I say that people don't use the pill for other reasons often?

The article states very clearly that while most women use it for multiple reasons, 86% state contraception as at least one reason for using it.

I never said 86% use it exclusively for contraceptive reasons.




There is no reason for you to claim I said something I didn't. Next time you accuse me of getting a study wrong, make sure you read carefully my wording so you don't mix up "use it for" and "use it exclusively for".
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This is what you said.


TestOfTide said:
he's right, while most women who use contraceptives do use it for more than one reason, a vast majority of them use it for preventing pregnancy. I think it's somewhere right above 80% use it primarily for said reason.
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The truth is most women use it for more than one reason. The the way you said it. You probably didn't mean it this way. That quote above reads to me that the vast majority of women use birth control pills to prevent pregnancy, whereas a smaller minority use it for more than one reason.
 
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Jackson50

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speculawyer said:
I just remembered something. After no stockpiles of WMDs were found in Iraq, many conservatives went with the conspiracy theory of 'Saddam secretly moved them to Syria'!

So . . . if Syria has these WMDs, why are they not using them now?

Of course they don't really exist . . . that just pokes a hole in that conspiracy theory. But no matter, a new conspiracy theory will just replace it.
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My favorite was the claim Saddam buried them in the desert. Yeah, as if American reconnaissance would miss such a massive excavation.
ToxicAdam said:
Yea, lie was a poor word choice.
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Please apologize to the ~40% of respondents you maligned.
 
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Invisible_Insane

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Jackson50 said:
My favorite was the claim Saddam buried them in the desert. Yeah, as if American reconnaissance would miss such a massive excavation.
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Do you really want to go on the record about the purported infallibility of American reconnaissance?

And, for that matter, all the recon in the world didn't stop us from winding up in Iraq anyway.
 
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Aaron Strife

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ToxicAdam said:
Uh-oh
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If it ends up being King vs. Pingree with the Republican stuck in single digits (see CT 2006), that'd be alright. Both are fairly liberal and would be an improvement over Snowe, though I'd prefer Pingree of the two.

But of course, it could also be a repeat of the governor's race, which would totally suck.

I've heard that Pingree might not even decide to run, which would leave Democrats with Jon Baldacci, who would most likely be crushed in any scenario.
 
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TestOfTide

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mckmas8808 said:
This is what you said.




The truth is most women use it for more than one reason. The the way you said it. You probably didn't mean it this way. That quote above reads to me that the vast majority of women use birth control pills to prevent pregnancy, whereas a smaller minority use it for more than one reason.
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THAT'S WHAT I SAID IN MY POST:

testoftide said:
he's right, while most women who use contraceptives do use it for more than one reason, a vast majority of them use it for preventing pregnancy. I think it's somewhere right above 80% use it primarily for said reason.
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And once again you are confusing the following phrases:

- "use it for"
- "use it exclusively for"

Don't accuse me of not reading my sources and then fail to read my post.



Aaron Strife said:
If it ends up being King vs. Pingree with the Republican stuck in single digits (see CT 2006), that'd be alright. Both are fairly liberal and would be an improvement over Snowe, though I'd prefer Pingree of the two.

But of course, it could also be a repeat of the governor's race, which would totally suck.

I've heard that Pingree might not even decide to run, which would leave Democrats with Jon Baldacci, who would most likely be crushed in any scenario.
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Yeah, it's not like Lieberman has ever been a cockblock to a key part in important legislation, right?
 
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RustyNails

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This has to be the worst poll ever conducted in recent memory:
According to an American Research Group survey, 35% of likely Ohio Republican primary voters say they are backing former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, with 28% supporting former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania. Romney's seven point advantage is just within the survey's sampling error, meaning it's all knotted up.
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A seven point lead is within sampling error? What the hell?
 
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TestOfTide

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mckmas8808 said:
Okay so what did you mean by saying, "a vast majority of them use it to prevent pregnancy"? I'm starting to think this is just a semantics issue.
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The study says that 86% of women who use it use it AT LEAST for preventing pregnancy. Ergo, 86% use it for preventing pregnancy, even if many of them might be using it for other reasons as well.

So yes, this was as semantics issue of you confusing "use it for" with "use it exclusively for".

The study—based on U.S government data from the National Survey of Family Growth (NSFG)—revealed that after pregnancy prevention (86%), the most common reasons women use the pill include reducing cramps or menstrual pain (31%); menstrual regulation, which for some women may help prevent migraines and other painful “side effects” of menstruation (28%); treatment of acne (14%); and treatment of endometriosis (4%). Additionally, it found that some 762,000 women who have never had sex use the pill, and they do so almost exclusively (99%) for noncontraceptive reasons.
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Tim-E

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This primary is over. Let's get the general election madness going!

In other news, I think I'm going to take part in the my county and the West Virginia Democratic Convention just to watch the process unfold. I know with the president being an incumbent it'll likely be uneventful, but I've not really personally witnessed any part of the process here.
 
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AndyD

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TestOfTide said:
The study says that 86% of women who use it use it AT LEAST for preventing pregnancy. Ergo, 86% use it for preventing pregnancy, even if many of them might be using it for other reasons as well.

So yes, this was as semantics issue of you confusing "use it for" with "use it exclusively for".
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While you guys argue semantics, I just wanted to say that the pill is also prescribed for some infertility issues. I wish someone would ask the candidates a question on that.
 
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ToxicAdam

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I'm sure someone on GAF will wind up making a thread about this. SC is crazy-land.



To be on the ballot as a Republican in Laurens County, you do not have to be “just” Republican.

You, apparently, have to be the “right kind” of Republican.

You must oppose abortion, in any circumstances.

You must uphold the right to have guns, all kinds of guns.

You must endorse the idea of a balanced state and federal budget, whatever it takes, even if your primary responsibility is to be sure the county budget is balanced.

You must favor, and live up to, abstinence before marriage.

You must be faithful to your spouse. Your spouse cannot be a person of the same gender, and you are not allowed to favor any government action that would allow for civil unions of people of the same sex.

You cannot now, from the moment you sign this pledge, look at pornography.

You must have:

“A compassionate and moral approach to Teen Pregnancy;”
“A commitment to Peace Through Strength in Foreign Policy;” and
“A high regard for Unites States Sovereignty.”
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Byakuya769

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mckmas8808 said:
This is what you said.




The truth is most women use it for more than one reason. The the way you said it. You probably didn't mean it this way. That quote above reads to me that the vast majority of women use birth control pills to prevent pregnancy, whereas a smaller minority use it for more than one reason.
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"Most" completely precludes being in the "minority."
 
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Jackson50

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RustyNails said:
This has to be the worst poll ever conducted in recent memory:

A seven point lead is within sampling error? What the hell?
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They had a sample size of 600. So, yes. My problem is with the blogger's ambiguous inference. "All knotted up?" Is that journalistic parlance for a marginal probability that Santorum's lead is ahead of Romney's?
Invisible_Insane said:
Do you really want to go on the record about the purported infallibility of American reconnaissance?

And, for that matter, all the recon in the world didn't stop us from winding up in Iraq anyway.
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Normally, no. Although, that would be bad. Even for them.
 
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Slurpy2k20

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ToxicAdam said:
Well, my initial comment was that both sides did it. There is no real way to quantify who 'does it more' and I never attempted to. So anyone that claims to have that knowledge is pretty foolish, in my eyes.
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Yeah, there's a way to 'quantify' it. It's called paying fucking attention, and not being purposely obtuse about it demanding some 'study', to come to any kind of conclusion. No, people who claim to have that knowledge aren't foolish. They just happen to come to the obvious conclusion after years upon years of seeing thousands of incidents, and are acute enough to notice that that the quantity and egregiousness of these incidents are in no way 'balanced'. Because you pretend not to see it, does not make anyone who does 'foolish'. It makes you some things, which I'm not going to say because they might get me banned.
 
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ToxicAdam

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PhoenixDark said:
Libya didn't have important members of the UN Security Council backing them up though. And I didn't agree with the Libya strike at the time either.
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Reading more into it, it appears McCain is advocating for us to get regional approval/assistance and forego any UN resolution. (To set up safe zones for aid and other things to be dropped.)

Yeah, that's not happening.
 
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TestOfTide

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ToxicAdam said:
Reading more into it, it appears McCain is advocating for us to get regional approval/assistance and forego any UN resolution. (To set up safe zones for aid and other things to be dropped.)

Yeah, that's not happening.
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There's no effective way to help Syria until the civilians somehow take control of a sizable area, which is not going to happen any time soon.
 
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speculawyer

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AlteredBeast said:
Romney leads in 5 out of 6 of the most current polls in Ohio.

Santorum is done and buried.
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Yeah, it is pretty much wrapped up. But Romney still can't get a majority. A sizable slice are sticking with their protest vote to Santorum, Gingrich, or Paul even though most know it is all over.
 
Great Poster

Great Poster

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Somewhat fascinating, but hardly surprising just looking at the GOP candidates...probably belongs in the "no shit, Sherlock" file

http://news.yahoo.com/people-arent-smart-enough-democracy-flourish-scientists-185601411.html

Mato Nagel, a sociologist in Germany, recently implemented Dunning and Kruger's theories by computer-simulating a democratic election. In his mathematical model of the election, he assumed that voters' own leadership skills were distributed on a bell curve — some were really good leaders, some, really bad, but most were mediocre — and that each voter was incapable of recognizing the leadership skills of a political candidate as being better than his or her own. When such an election was simulated, candidates whose leadership skills were only slightly better than average always won.

Nagel concluded that democracies rarely or never elect the best leaders. Their advantage over dictatorships or other forms of government is merely that they "effectively prevent lower-than-average candidates from becoming leaders."
 
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RustyNails

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ToxicAdam said:
Reading more into it, it appears McCain is advocating for us to get regional approval/assistance and forego any UN resolution. (To set up safe zones for aid and other things to be dropped.)

Yeah, that's not happening.
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There's no way to intervene in Syria when Russia and China are blocking efforts to even condemn the crackdown. OIC and Arab League didn't deliver like they did with Libya either. As sad is it is for me to say it, we don't have a mandate to stop the massacre in Syria. The rest of the world doesn't think it's as important as Libya, especially when Iran is acting as a huge deterrent for majority Sunni Arab middle-east. Only thing we can hope is Saudi Arabia and Qatar staging an intervention, which would probably be the biggest conflict in the middle east since the Yom kippur war.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
speculawyer said:
Yeah, it is pretty much wrapped up. But Romney still can't get a majority. A sizable slice are sticking with their protest vote to Santorum, Gingrich, or Paul even though most know it is all over.
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We will see. I think Santorum drops out if he bottoms out after Super Tuesday, Gingrich might ride the south to the convention, but will lack support outside of Adelson, Romney will then win almost all delegates thanks to above 50% gains or winner-take-all states.
 
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