Here's a pretty long, interesting interview with the activist running for Governor against Scott Walker, Arthur Kohl-Riggs. Check it out. He's a pretty interesting guy, and I guarantee this won't be the last you hear of him.
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PoliGAF 2012 Community Thread
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PPP did some Hispanic only polls:
"@ppppolls
With Marco Rubio on ticket Romney would still lose Florida Hispanics 51-44:
With Susana Martinez on ticket Romney would still lose New Mexico Hispanics 65-28
With Brian Sandoval on ticket Romney would still lose Nevada Hispanics 64-27"
The reason why Romney's not doing quite as abysmal with Hispanics in Florida is that Cubans actually like him (and Republicans in general). Every other group of Hispanics there hates him like in the rest of the states.
"@ppppolls
With Marco Rubio on ticket Romney would still lose Florida Hispanics 51-44:
With Susana Martinez on ticket Romney would still lose New Mexico Hispanics 65-28
With Brian Sandoval on ticket Romney would still lose Nevada Hispanics 64-27"
The reason why Romney's not doing quite as abysmal with Hispanics in Florida is that Cubans actually like him (and Republicans in general). Every other group of Hispanics there hates him like in the rest of the states.
Those are brutal...
empty vessel
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I would suggest that you consider getting involved in and organizing around substantive issues rather than particular people and electoral politics. It's harder in many respects, and you can still become disillusioned, but at least you are not turning an individual into a cause. Issue advocacy and organization is what happens between elections, and matters much more to actual policy outcomes than whether specific candidates get elected. It's the kind of organizing that can prevent politicians from, e.g., giving away Medicare drug price negotiation in backroom deals. That was made possible by the lack of political organization around that issue. If people had been organized and engaged around that issue, Obama would not have struck that particular bargain. Politicians will always be looking for the path of least resistance. It's our job not to let them take it by ... well, being the resistance.
makingmusic476
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I didn't realize Black Ops 2 and Halo 4 were coming out on election day.
There goes the young adult male vote.
There goes the young adult male vote.
On the bright side, it'll be far easier to target the young adult male vote on that day. All you have to do is hang out at gamestops and convince/remind them to go over to the polling place and vote. They're already out and (presumably) in a car, so why not?
Wow those are pretty brutal.
I'm gonna call it: Romney chooses Christie as his VP. It honestly won't matter if he chooses an Hispanic.
cartoon_soldier
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Coz...Halo man
cartoon_soldier
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It will be either Christie, Ryan or Portman
In some important news, information out about Rubio's version of the DREAM Act:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0412/75379_Page2.html
GOP anti-immigrant groups already opposed to it. Will be interesting to see Romney's position on it, I am going to BET he will support it.
Al-ibn Kermit
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They should put a QR code that unlocks extra maps on those "I voted" stickers. Might be a small black market for those things.
cartoon_soldier
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And for some more news that should Alarm Dem Donors Rove groups raised 100 million dollars EOD.
That means, this year alone, in 2012 they have raised 49 million dollars.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns...-million-raised-so-far-this-cycle-121116.html
Actually, most recent polling has Obama not performing that well among young voters. Though, that could change with a match up against Romney set.
That means, this year alone, in 2012 they have raised 49 million dollars.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns...-million-raised-so-far-this-cycle-121116.html
Actually, most recent polling has Obama not performing that well among young voters. Though, that could change with a match up against Romney set.
I really, really hate that Rubio is calling it the same thing. "Oh, you know that thing that Hispanic voters love? Well, I'm going to rip out huge chunks of it and then call it my own."
PhoenixDark
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If Romney can't even support Rubio's bandaid DREAM Act, something is very wrong
Worse yet, if he doesn't support it how can he ask Rubio to join the ticket? That would be quite awkward
It should be interesting. Romney probably rightly believes that courting Hispanics is a lost cause in this election so he may not want to alienate his White Asshole vote even with a shitty plan like Rubio's.
And if those PPP polls weren't an outlier, then neither Romney or Rubio would want each other in any case.
speculawyer
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Well, I guess it sort of was that way in 2008.
But as a white man . . . what the fuck? Stop embarrassing me, white men. Stop voting for anti-science loons.
Steve M. makes a good point about the Romney right winger paradox, when it comes to the press:
http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2012/04/how-long-will-it-take-press-to-notice.html#links
Also, Liberty University is in a city called Lynchburg. Seriously.
http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2012/04/how-long-will-it-take-press-to-notice.html#links
Also, Liberty University is in a city called Lynchburg. Seriously.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I had a "economic major" say to me Obama is a Communist. I asked him to give me a qualitative analysis on why Obama is a Communist, and he just said I was brainwashed.
Sirpopopop
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I would be shocked if Christie leaves Jersey.
How come?
speculawyer
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The campaign is still young . . . it could come up.
But I agree . . . I doubt it will be (or should be) a big deal.
speculawyer
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OK, I laughed.
speculawyer
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Ironically, I'd say the reverse is true. What was the tax rate under Ford . . . was he a commie? What was the tax rate under Nixon . . . was he a commie? What was the tax rate under Eisenhower . . . was he a commie?
Obviously, they must ALL BE COMMIES! Or maybe 'economic major' has been brainwashed since he doesn't seem to in touch with reality.
Why should any of that be alarming? You act as if Obama's groups have not raised anything when the last 2 months the groups outside of Obama's main campaign have raised over 24m so that was $50m in 2 months not counting Obama's own fundraising
Rove can always raise money, it did not help the GOP in 2008 and unless Rove funds Romney's organizational get out the vote it won't help much here
the GOP voters are set in who they want to vote for, wasting money bombarding the airwaves won't do much for them. And with Romney losing most other groups (Minorities, Women, Youth) I don't really see where the money goes
Unless they are really bank of middle-old age white men to unanimously vote GOP
My future waifu, S.E. Cupp is sadly being a tad dumber than usual:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/study-hard-for-your-mrs-girls.html
Sigh. Alas, there's only so much one can tolerate just cause one has red hair and sexy librarian glasses.
Okay, fine I'd still hit it. But the point stands.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/study-hard-for-your-mrs-girls.html
Sigh. Alas, there's only so much one can tolerate just cause one has red hair and sexy librarian glasses.
Okay, fine I'd still hit it. But the point stands.
Slurpy2k20
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One of the stupidest fucking things I've ever read. Feminists should be 'celebrating' what a 'truly empowering' decision Anne made by 'marrying into wealth'? How fucking amazingly embarrassing. These people say this shit with a straight face? So it's either marrying into extreme wealth, or being 'dependant on the state'. Nothing in between, nope. Probably the most anti-feminist and anti-women notion I've ever heard.
Hobbestetrician
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Dr. Pangloss
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Anytime communism is brought up in regards to America, I start to wonder if it demeans what other actual people had to endure in communists regimes throughout history. I mean raising taxes a fraction of your income so that society as whole can have their healthcare covered is somehow on the same level as living in the USSR or North Korea? People have really lost perspective of what they are talking about. I am also sure that there are a ton of people throughout the world that would want the oppression that the US has been offering its citizens since 2008.
I don't see how a Romney win is accompanied by Dems flipping the House and maintaining the Senate. A Romney victory, at the least, should go along with Republicans keeping the House. I don't think your hypothetical is very likely.
Dr. Pangloss
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Congress is worthless especially the Senate. 40 > 60. The only good thing about the Senate is you can't gerrymander those districts. Obama is needed as President for not only Supreme Court picks, but also he can get a better deal at the table than Romney vs Democratic Congress would. Democrats in Congress would be quicker to sell out than Obama who would not have any terms left. No way a Republican Congress and Senate can overturn a veto. Good luck getting 67 senators to agree with anything.
Officerrob
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Holy shit, the last two paragraphs are the worst:
So when Ann Romney confronted "the most important economic issue that real women confront", her decision was to marry into a wealthy family. Boy, I bet that was a difficult decision. Why don't all women do that? Oh sorry girls, you couldn't land a rich guy? Go get a job!! While your out there working to support your family and then go home and be a good mother, remember that S.E. Cupp thinks that Ann Romney is a role model because she married right. That was seriously one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
Flying_Phoenix
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I had an economic major argue about me of how private schools would be better than public schools. Its because private schools give faculty more incentive to work and have people actually want the job. If its a public school nobody will want to work their and productivity would be in a record low. The evidence? Because public stuff is bad.
Aaron Strife
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The Senate also matters for court picks.
There's generally a coalition of Democrats and Republicans alike who will vote for the President's nominee, no matter how terrible, on principle. Democrats controlling the Senate greatly helps that.
Black Mamba
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Don't worry, he probably won't pass.
The kicker:
Romney has plenty of ammo to critique Obama on the economy, but he sure can't seem to figure out how to fire it.
Black Mamba
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Remember this fiasco?
For an expert businessman, Romney sure does surround him with people that fuck simple shit up.
cartoon_soldier
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Yup. Florida arguably is a better target for Romney.
Interestingly, both have very unpopular GOP governors, which will help Obama a lot.
Bad thing for Romney is he literally has no path to 270 without Ohio. None of the main democrat states are flipping and the democrats have added more states to the "Safe dem" list over the last few cycles. Plus states that haven't been in play for decades with democrats like Virginia and North Carolina are toss ups.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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A big story here is that suburbia is pissed off at Kasich for redistributing their school levy money to the poorer schools who need help (which is the right thing to do). Kasich actually hasn't been too much of a prick these days. Issue 5 hit home for him.
agreed
the state is recovering relatively well, he has decent approval numbers that are only going up (in a deep blue state). He has nothing to gain from joining a losing ticket. If he had no interest in actually jumping into the primary i dont see him having any interest in playing second fiddle to a dullard. He'll walk away with the nomination in 2016
One argument though is that its also a stigma removing approach.
Because the public at large sees people on welfare as drug users who use their food stamps to buy weed, this type of thing tries removes that stigma. Even though its a cost. Whether its worth it or working, we won't know but for a few years down the road.
Other states are trying to pass similar laws, though tweaked. Here in TN the law as proposed would put the cost on the applicants with no reimbursment, but its also limited testing to those who have been charged/arrested/convicted in a drug related crime in the past 5 years or if there is a reason to suspect drug use. That approach is expected to save only a few hundred thousand, but again it can remove that stigma. Whether it passes, who knows.
Invisible_Insane
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It seems more like you're describing the position than you are arguing in it's favor, but I have to say:
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
"Having money trouble? Need assistance? Pee into this cup; you're probably using drugs. Oh, you're not? Enjoy your benefits!"
Stigma-removing, my ass.
I am not arguing either way.
But from what I understand, over time, the idea is to remove the stigma associated in the public at large and media with welfare recipients. It may or may not work, it depends on how widespread these types of laws are and if they last long enough to change the public's perception. I think if they show a hint of working the next step will be similar legislation for all types of aid, including unemployment.
PhoenixDark
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Given Obama's problems with white male blue collar workers, Ohio will be a toss up. Especially with Portman on the ticket.
Those problems are already reflected in the polling aggregate, which has Obama ahead. Something else needs to change.
It's worth mentioning that the GOP is spending more on the Ohio Senate race than on any other in the country, and I suspect the same will become true for the state overall. They know if they can't take out Brown and can't win the state, the Senate nor the White House is theirs.
So it really is the reverse of the 2004 campaign, except unlike that one Romney (Kerry) does not have the luxury of needing to 'just' win Ohio, he needs to win that one to have a 'chance'. And that's the story of it, there is still a chance Romney might win and we know they will try their damnedest to, but they really, really have an uphill battle against a group that is already well seasoned and has ground level infrastructure of historic proportions. They literally need everything to go just right for them to win and I'm just not seeing it happen. Will it be closer then it is now? Almost certainly, this country is too polarized to keep the voting spread from getting so large in one corner, but Romney's ACTUAL chances of winning electorally are actually pretty slim given the shifting demographics in the so called 'swing' states. Romney would honestly be better off trying to snag normally blue states in the northeast then he will have in catching some of these previously swing states. In fact he might have a better chance at snagging Washington then he would Ohio.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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lol, the day he's announced to be on the ticket, most of Ohio will go "oh, so that's who our other Senator is".
Dr. Pangloss
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Quick quiz PD: Name one Democratic presidential candidate in the last 40 years to have won the majority of the white male vote.
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