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ToxicAdam

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Oh, not yet. You don't have to wear it until the convention anyways.

I was thinking about doing the controversial 'Don't renig' bumper sticker, but that would be too cruel. It will probably be a Bachmann one instead.
 
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Kosmo said:
Interesting in that the argument used against the birthers was that their line of thinking was completely made up and had not even a shred of corroboration anywhere in reality. And in fact, there is a document from Obama's own publisher saying he was born in Kenya (editorial mistake, an attempt at marketing, or whatever).
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Glenn Beck is possibly a murderer? Interesting.

Mitt Romney bullied and assaulted people because they were gay, and may, in fact, be a sociopath? Interesting.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
PhoenixDark said:
That's why I only make bets I know I can win
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As a masochist, I almost want to see Romney win (outside of some crazy outside occurrence, like the world falling apart in nuclear meltdown that Obama caused) just to see you revel in it. Obviously (maybe not) you wouldn't actually want it to happen, but you are trying to will it to happen, if only to finally win ONE bet. The bitter tears here would be hilarious.
 
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PhoenixDark

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AlteredBeast said:
As a masochist, I almost want to see Romney win (outside of some crazy outside occurrence, like the world falling apart in nuclear meltdown that Obama caused) just to see you revel in it. Obviously (maybe not) you wouldn't actually want it to happen, but you are trying to will it to happen, if only to finally win ONE bet. The bitter tears here would be hilarious.
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I'd probably laugh a good 10 minutes before getting depressed
 
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Aaron Strife

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artwalknoon said:
I love it but are these instances of stupidity being covered in the general media? I stopped watching tv a long time ago so I have no clue if CNN or anyone actually reports this stuff.
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Well, whenever Obama's campaign puts it in an ad, they accuse Obama of persecuting rich people. Does that count?

AlteredBeast said:
Being Mormon is the new Gay.
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Unless Mormons are no longer allowed to marry and gays are pouring billions into making sure it stays that way, this is kind of a dumb statement.

I have nothing against Mormon politicians on the basis that they're Mormon (Harry Reid), as long as they don't mix up church and state.
 
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AlteredBeast

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Aaron Strife said:
I have nothing against Mormon politicians on the basis that they're Mormon (Harry Reid), as long as they don't mix up church and state.
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Most don't as far as I know. It isn't like evangelists where the church is a huge and visible political force in choosing and endorsing candidates and at the forefront of many big issues. It is usually just a very small swatch of issues, like gay marriage, etc. Even then, politicians who are mormon are still divided on the issue because the church is typically indirect on most public items.
 
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Oblivion

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artwalknoon said:
I love it but are these instances of stupidity being covered in the general media? I stopped watching tv a long time ago so I have no clue if CNN or anyone actually reports this stuff.
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MSNBC may cover it, but most likely not anyone else.
 
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Chichikov

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artwalknoon said:
I love it but are these instances of stupidity being covered in the general media? I stopped watching tv a long time ago so I have no clue if CNN or anyone actually reports this stuff.
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The New York Times did.
But they generally tend to cover such stories with less sensational language (this is not a judgment but an observation, I don't think that the maddow blog and this country's paper of record should have the same voice).

I try not to watch the cable news channels (with the exception of the phenomenal Fareed Zakaria GPS).

Aaron Strife said:
I have nothing against Mormon politicians on the basis that they're Mormon (Harry Reid), as long as they don't mix up church and state.
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You're worried about the wrong Christians.
I mean, it's pretty much the evangelical mainstream position in this country that the government draw its power from God and they generally call for hot hot butt sex between church and state.
Mormons politicians try their best to not even mention their faith.
 
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Aaron Strife

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AlteredBeast said:
Most don't as far as I know. It isn't like evangelists where the church is a huge and visible political force in choosing and endorsing candidates and at the forefront of many big issues. It is usually just a very small swatch of issues, like gay marriage, etc. Even then, politicians who are mormon are still divided on the issue because the church is typically indirect on most public items.
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Well I'm just going based on this guy:

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Chichikov said:
You're worried about the wrong Christians.
I mean, it's pretty much the evangelical mainstream position in this country that the government draw its power from God and they generally call for hot hot butt sex between church and state.
Mormons politicians try their best to not even mention their faith.
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Mormons are hardly the only ones who do it, but you know.
 
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KtSlime

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Chichikov said:
You're worried about the wrong Christians.
I mean, it's pretty much the evangelical mainstream position in this country that the government draw its power from God and they generally call for hot hot butt sex between church and state.
Mormons politicians try their best to not even mention their faith.
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Agreed, however didn't the LDS Church fund a considerable amount of Prop 8 a few years back? That doesn't seem too much like staying out of state affairs to me.

I don't care for Christians in office, however it is a bit easier to forgive them for the worship of a magic-man son of sky-daddy that lived 2000 years ago, than the Mormons that follow the teachings (can completely made up stories even be called teachings?) of a known and documented con-artist and charlatan from less than 200 years ago.
 
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Oblivion

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Not apropos of anything, and I mentioned it the last time she was on Real Time, but this Michelle Caruso-Cabrera broad has a very nice rack.
 
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Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Chichikov said:
You're worried about the wrong Christians.
I mean, it's pretty much the evangelical mainstream position in this country that the government draw its power from God and they generally call for hot hot butt sex between church and state.
Mormons politicians try their best to not even mention their faith.
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Primarily because "evangelical" doesn't have the same political negatives as "mormon", and with the former being more successful at nationwide influence in general that's the group to worry about. Otherwise they both trend fairly fundamentalist and have followed their own "Christian nation" worldview.

After all, one can only wonder how the gay rights campaign would have played out with the ERA ratified.
 
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PantherLotus

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Let's be clear -- being Mormon is nothing like being gay, either in perception or treatment or political prospects. It's a terrible comparison no matter how AB meant it.

And there will be a moment, whether by SuperPAC ad or a news segment nearing the convention ("getting to know Mitt Romney") when it will be addressed. It should be, too. I see know reason why it should be off limits.
 
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AlteredBeast

Fork 'em, Sparky!
PantherLotus said:
Let's be clear -- being Mormon is nothing like being gay, either in perception or treatment or political prospects. It's a terrible comparison no matter how AB meant it.

And there will be a moment, whether by SuperPAC ad or a news segment nearing the convention ("getting to know Mitt Romney") when it will be addressed. It should be, too. I see know reason why it should be off limits.
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Meh. The Obama campaign won't do it, and if a SuperPAC does, his campaign will disavow it.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Clevinger said:
Not THE Dream Act; he fiercely opposed that. He only supports his own watered down version of it.
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Which Obama should endorse as a building block for more expansive, comprehensive legislation. Can you imagine the freak out if Obama basically said the bill was a gateway to a bigger Dream Act, and even immigration reform? The house would shitcan the bill and Rubio would have no one to blame but his party. And Hispanics would get one last example of far right extremism before going to the polls
 
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Tamanon

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PhoenixDark said:
Which Obama should endorse as a building block for more expansive, comprehensive legislation. Can you imagine the freak out if Obama basically said the bill was a gateway to a bigger Dream Act, and even immigration reform? The house would shitcan the bill and Rubio would have no one to blame but his party. And Hispanics would get one last example of far right extremism before going to the polls
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I fully expect Obama to endorse Rubio's DREAM act as a first step, assuming it's not loaded with a poison pill.
 
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cartoon_soldier

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PhoenixDark said:
Which Obama should endorse as a building block for more expansive, comprehensive legislation. Can you imagine the freak out if Obama basically said the bill was a gateway to a bigger Dream Act, and even immigration reform? The house would shitcan the bill and Rubio would have no one to blame but his party. And Hispanics would get one last example of far right extremism before going to the polls
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I agree with this, but Rubio needs to release the details of his Dream Act. Right now, without any details he is just blaming the WH for defeating his bill.
 
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PhoenixDark said:
Which Obama should endorse as a building block for more expansive, comprehensive legislation. Can you imagine the freak out if Obama basically said the bill was a gateway to a bigger Dream Act, and even immigration reform? The house would shitcan the bill and Rubio would have no one to blame but his party. And Hispanics would get one last example of far right extremism before going to the polls
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Like Healthcare reform?
 
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PhoenixDark

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quadriplegicjon said:
Like Healthcare reform?
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The moderate health care bill republicans would have supported a decade ago, with a major part (mandate) endorsed by the Heritage Foundation...only to be rejected as socialism after Obama agreed it was a good idea? Yes

There's no way the house would pass Rubio's bill if Obama not only endorsed it, but argued it would be a building block to bigger change.
 
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SouthernDragon

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PhoenixDark said:
Which Obama should endorse as a building block for more expansive, comprehensive legislation. Can you imagine the freak out if Obama basically said the bill was a gateway to a bigger Dream Act, and even immigration reform? The house would shitcan the bill and Rubio would have no one to blame but his party. And Hispanics would get one last example of far right extremism before going to the polls
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No.

Rubio's DREAM Act is already insulting, there's no need for Obama to do anything.
 
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Oblivion

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So here was a telling exchange that happened on Bill Maher's show yesterday:

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/05/cnbc-hack-refuses-to-admit-that-romney.html

Basically, Maher called Romney out on his bullshit for saying Obama added more to the deficit than all the other presidents combined. He then sought a defense from the resident right wing hack, and she simply refused to acknowledge it, even after repeated prodding by Maher. In fact, she just sat there being completely silent. It's truly breathtaking in a way.
 
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rohlfinator

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Oblivion said:
So here was a telling exchange that happened on Bill Maher's show yesterday:

http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2012/05/cnbc-hack-refuses-to-admit-that-romney.html

Basically, Maher called Romney out on his bullshit for saying Obama added more to the deficit than all the other presidents combined. He then sought a defense from the resident right wing hack, and she simply refused to acknowledge it, even after repeated prodding by Maher. In fact, she just sat there being completely silent. It's truly breathtaking in a way.
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I'm pleasantly surprised to see that at least AP is calling out that Romney line as bullshit:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/fact-check-romney-ignores-a-huge-recession-and-other-causes-of-nations-mounting-debt/2012/05/15/gIQANmT0RU_story.html

It's even more funny because Romney's plan is expected to add more to the deficit unless he comes up with a way to pay for his added tax cuts and military expansion.
 
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