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PoliGAF 2012 Community Thread
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Flying_Phoenix
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I don't get Solyndra at all. Wasn't it part of a bigger green energy plan that eventually more than payed itself off?
Red meat for his supporters I guess.
It's a scandal inasmuch that the republicans are trying to just pin something on Obama. It hits two birds with one stone: green initiative and Obama program.
It was basically an arms race with China but with solar technology. We got outspent. Republicans try to pin it on the President when it was their baby originally.
If it had been solar powered guns then the Republicans probably would have given it a three trillion dollar budget.
Sounds almost like they're a college fraternity. Not unsurprising, I guess.
As someone who lives in Omaha, I know that people in CB clean off their tables with their tongues.
I have talked to a lot of people on this side of the river and not one heard anything about this. Must be a CB thing.
Well that is because you are from Nebraska, the only time any of you guys care what happens in Iowa is when your college football team beats one of ours lol
But in Iowa it was all over the news, even with the corny taglines "Romney leaves a local diner feeling sour, coming up". I agree with what was said earlier, I live near Des Moines and have lived all over and you don't disrespect when someone offers their home/place to you. That is why it was so talked about I think, for a state that is like 90% over the age of 55 the old rules of manners apply.
And LOL at the childish bus thing, Romney is a robot and the rest of his campaign is a bunch of frat guys apparently
makingmusic476
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It's amazing that after a year of protests powers that be think they can get away with a move like this.
They're just delaying the inevitable.
Edit:
Oh god, the comments on the MSNBC article about this are terrible. Some examples:
"Good job Barack Hussein Obama for screwing up the Middle East and N Africa."
"Let these God forsaken countries rot...they hate America, they hate Jesus, and everything we Americans stand for! No more sending our kids over to the middle east to help! We are not wanted over there!!"
"I think the U.S. should keep getting involved in toppling governments, as things are so much better once we leave." - We toppled Mubarak?
Flying_Phoenix
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I get really uneasy at times with how successful autocracy has been for China.
It really hasnt. They have a MASSIVE corruption problem. This corruption problem also contributed to a massive real estate bubble that should pop eventually (lot of empty buildings) since local officials were giving the go-ahead to private and govt real estate projects that made them wealthy and looked good.
Banking system is messed up too since their state-businesses get access to a bunch of cheap loans while the little guys have to go to loan sharks.
Not to mention the huge demographic issues that are going to screw china over in the future
TacticalFox88
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This is why I fucking LOL at people who think China will overtake the US.
Nobody gets it. I mean you see kosmo (republicans) constantly bitching about it yet they don't lift a finger when big energy gets billions in subsidies. I'd love to see them bitch about that.
Arrowgigantic
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They're growing, but that's because they have a GDP less than half of ours despite having four times as many people. Their growth rate (about 3x the U.S. average) seems impressive only if you leave those facts out. And their rate was .7% less than Turkmenistan's last year. Uh, do we have to watch out for Turkmenistan now too?
Flying_Phoenix
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TacticalFox88
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Exactly his point, dude.
PantherLotus
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Correct. Also why their terrible growth isn't an issue.
Flying_Phoenix
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LOL. No, no, no, no, no, no, just no.
If our right wingers were made up of more libertarians, the bolded portions would have been true, but they're not. The Republicans who run the country are their own little breed. Usually consisting of the worst aspects of almost every ideology imagineable. These current crop of Republicans don't "fear the state" because it may do something oppressive, it fears it because it may do something helpful. These are the same fuckheads who hate universal healthcare because it's supposedly something that dicatorships strive for, but support things like torture, indefinite detainment, black sites, killing someone without a trial, etc., which bizarrely enough, in their minds, are qualities that DON'T share similarities with dictatorships.
It's like Chief Wiggum said in The Simpsons: The law is powerless to help you, but not to punish you.
Amateur, try submarine next time.
SouthernDragon
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About Solyndra:
What's rather frustrating about this is that this is how VC and large businesses work in general. You make many investments in an array of businesses and projects, with the idea that either a) many will succeed at a mild profit or b) a few will succeed with high profits.
The difference is that the government will get horribly chewed out over one poor investment, but businesses can hide theirs, for the the most part.
What's rather frustrating about this is that this is how VC and large businesses work in general. You make many investments in an array of businesses and projects, with the idea that either a) many will succeed at a mild profit or b) a few will succeed with high profits.
The difference is that the government will get horribly chewed out over one poor investment, but businesses can hide theirs, for the the most part.
...a program that was looked at objectively under Bush and determined to not be financially sound.
Arrowgigantic
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Turkmenistan's GDP grew by a larger percentage than China's last year. 9.9% vs. 9.2%.
We're too busy dooming and glooming.
I'm glad that he's getting more proactive about addressing the economy, but I'm annoyed with Romney attempting to undercut with his shallow counter speeches. But that's the game.
I just want to see these guys finally butt heads during the debates. I'm sure Obama is looking forward to it as well. Honestly, can you imagine coming face to face with a guy who wants your job, and is willing to lie and humiliate you in front of the general public to get it?
Yeah, it's been nothing but poison pills and stunt legislation, which is why most democracies limit the campaign period.
Obviously, that can only work with public financing, but we're in dire need for that anyway.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
I believe the original premise was that someone was somewhat concerned with how well China was doing, considering it was a mostly state-run economy, implying that they might have finally found the magic balance with market forces where so many other straight command economies fail.
Someone said, correctly, "yeah, but they're actually not that successful. they have a huge problem with corruption and a real estate bubble that everyone can see [prices will collapse], and considering their population, they should be doing much better."
Someone replied, "yeah, but look at that population."
To which everyone replied, "exactly."
Particle Physicist
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I already pointed out that this was a 3 year process and Bush attempted to speed it up. Even then the committee rejected the offer without prejudice, and the very same committee accepted the offer later after the application was revamped. If he or any republican actually had evidence that Obama interfered with the process, I am sure we would have actually heard about it. Instead we get some vague emails where some of the committee members express some reservation about the loan. It's retarded.
Yea i saw your previous post. Kosmo won't post anything since all he has is the vague emails/fox news nation bullshit. They already fished everything they could out of it and thats all they could come up with. What a "scandal"
I'm surprised it not posted yet on whitehouse's channel, they're usually quick with those.
This is an awesome and hilarious news item:
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/14/12220270-what-happened-to-nemschoff-chairs?lite
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/14/12220270-what-happened-to-nemschoff-chairs?lite
Dude need to sell his dressage horse and get himself a fact checker.
Or not, this is pretty damn entertaining.
Flying_Phoenix
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Fair point but I don't agree with the bolded. Of course China isn't going to rival the west in standard of living or GDP per capita. A little over half a century ago they were a feudal society stuck in the 19th (possibly even 18th) century. The country has been rapidly developing and comparing them to India, who gained independence around the same time, you can see the staggering difference between the two.
Also China is not a straight command economy. It has very mild command economy elements.
China hasnt been a feudal society since like 200 BC and definitely hasnt since like 900 AD
As for China's growth rate, Ive read that China (as well as India and others) basically need a 7%+ growth rate if they want start getting their population out of poverty. A 2-5% growth rate simply wont cut it (dont know if i totally buy this). Plus, id imagine that super high growth rates are easier to achieve for BRIC countries rather than fully developed ones.
Speech from ohio for those interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmU6_1nu44
Dude knows how to write speech and how to emote, that's for damn sure.
He also just burst romney's entire campaign for the foreseeable future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmU6_1nu44
Dude knows how to write speech and how to emote, that's for damn sure.
He also just burst romney's entire campaign for the foreseeable future.
PhoenixDark
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"Nothing I did worked for four years, give me four more years so I can do something else." ok
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Right, which is why I said ....found the magic balance with market forces where so many other straight command economies fail. ADR, but you're not reading very well today.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
I know you're trolling but this reply is for the people that don't:
Everything he did worked exactly as predicted.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
It is cute that you thought these things. Had a good laugh about both. Thanks for that.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Right. I see absolutely nothing that changes anything day to day, much less in a few weeks. This is all long-view ground work for the big reveal, which I have no doubt will be extremely disappointing.
Flying_Phoenix
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PantherLotus
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Please don't! I agree it's silly. Either China is a giant potential menace with a billion people, or China is teetering on the edge of financial ruin with a billion people. Most likely both, and they're not mutually exclusive.
Let's talk about how Obama can spend less money, lose his signature legislative success in the SC, and oversee an awfully weak economic recovery (regardless of whose fault that caused it or how impossible it was to do more) and how he'll still get reelected because the Republican party is just that bad.
Let's talk about how Obama can spend less money, lose his signature legislative success in the SC, and oversee an awfully weak economic recovery (regardless of whose fault that caused it or how impossible it was to do more) and how he'll still get reelected because the Republican party is just that bad.
Kevitivity
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Like no one did pranks in high school. lol
Kevitivity
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Try thinking like someone who believes in limited government, fiscal conservatism, personal responsibility - when you do, a few people come to mind.
Libertarians?
Kevitivity
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Very well said - except that I would say that Republicans believe Government is necessary, but just to a much more limited extent (defense, infrastructure, commerce). Clearly Both Obama and Romney want whats best for the country. Discussion here would be so much more engaging and enlightening if there weren't so many blind partisans...
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