speculawyer
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Yep . . . it was hopeless for Mondale and Bob Dole..
Mitch Daniels: This Is The Worst Recovery Ever . . . so we should put the people that caused the original crash back in charge?
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Mitch Daniels: This Is The Worst Recovery Ever . . . so we should put the people that caused the original crash back in charge?
PhoenixDark
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GM would have been even more profitable, and Bin Laden would have died much faster!
They are doubling, trippling down on the 'Obama wants us to end up like Greece' strategy. Ignoring the fact that Greece is fucked because it has no tax revenues and is slashing services and infrastructure. Which is actually the stated Republican plan.
speculawyer
Member
Well . . . I guess it is really happened now. The right knee-jerk response to oppose anything Obama does has come to them opposing tax-cuts just because Obama suggested them.
Maybe if Obama comes out against Single Payer then Krauthammer will champion the cause?
So will Krauthammer come out for allowing the explicitly temporary Bush tax cuts expire? Or do tax-cuts only work if they are given to the rich?
Maybe if Obama comes out against Single Payer then Krauthammer will champion the cause?
So will Krauthammer come out for allowing the explicitly temporary Bush tax cuts expire? Or do tax-cuts only work if they are given to the rich?
Republican party has always couched a rich-focused tax policy in a tax cuts for everyone blanket. But now they have a base that has gone so far full-retard, that they can nakedly state their previously veiled agenda and the mouth breathing fucktards that follow them, will cheer it on. All the way to a social security free old age.
SteveWinwood
Member
So when is Santorum going to actually crash out for the masses? This week?
Aye. They also see the austerity death spiral there and know it would do wonders for their electoral chances. McConnell must still be furious the stimulus bill passed.
His lift has already proven more durable than the past GOP two-week wonders. Still, if he does poorly in the primaries on the 28th, I think he will fall pretty quickly. If he does okay, he'll be around for a long time.
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
The over/under is probably on the February 28th primaries. But polls could change a lot for him or against him between now and then.
He has to shut up and hold on through the AZ debate so that he can win Michigan and critically wound Romney as a candidate.
Then he can flame out as spectacularly as he wishes.
RustyNails
Member
20 years ago, maybe. Today Turkey is the only country in Europe not drowning in debt and in need of a bailout. They're the biggest NATO force, and the population has deep military tradition like US. Their constitution is fully secular. Fareed Zakaria:
speculawyer
Member
This graph is clearly not true because Obama and his environazis stopped all oil and gas drilling. The $4/gallon gas is proof of that. So don't try and trick me.
Of course the reality is yes, energy has been a big winner . . . refined petroleum has actually become a major export for the USA right now. Of course, that is pretty sad statistic in a way because it says that we can't afford the gas we are refining. And worse, in articles all over the place, this story is being massively misinterpreted as "the USA is a net oil exporter now!" . . . that is massively wrong. Our crude imports have dropped but they have dropped from 2/3s imported crude to around 1/2 imported crude.
Well, hopefully we can kill one old canard . . . the old complaint of "Gas prices are high because those dirty hippies won't allow new refineries to be built anywhere!" That falsehood should be blatantly apparent now considering that we are now using our excess refining capacity to import oil, refine it, and export the refined product. The reality is that existing refineries were hugely upgraded to handle more refining capacity since that was cheaper than building new refineries. But I bet the "dirty hippies won't let us build refineries" canard returns this summer as gas prices go up. It is hard to kill falsehoods that have been pounded into people's skulls.
Yeah, I was really hoping that Santorum was going to win Michigan. But I think his approval ratings are crashing right now due to all the birth control nonsense (and partly due to the some Romney SuperPAC mudslinging). We'll have to see what is going on in the upcoming poll numbers but I predict a drop in Santorum's approval numbers. All he had to do was act like be belonged in the 20th century. But he went all 18th century on us.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Good gravy, this guy is ridiculous. What a phenomenon it is that the "not romney" sentiment is so strong that a big government, socially intrusive, economically illiterate guy like Santorum is elevated by Republicans. It's a bit ironic, yet ironically, it also makes sense. And it is wholly depressing and pathetic.
Byakuya769
Member
Why won't Santorum let Santorum be great?
Dumb ass is ruining my spring entertainment.
Dumb ass is ruining my spring entertainment.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Oil and gas employment rose thanks to the Obama's administration's policies.
Oil and gas employment rose despite the Obama's administration's policies.
Oil and gas employment isn't really affected that much by the Obama's administration's policies.
Which statement do you think most people believe? Now that I think about it I'm not so sure anymore myself. (This post isn't really a reply to your post specifically; your post just made me think about it).
TacticalFox88
Banned
Holy shit, opposing Tax cuts? What the fuck has happened to this god awful party?
Saint Orum is becoming his own worst enemy. His issues with birth control aren't enough. Now there is Obama's phony theology, abolishing education because that's the parents job (he home schools) and to add insult to injury to women, he now says prenatal care should not be provided by insurance companies. What's next the babies??
It's comical. But I have a feeling he's pretty close to falling on his face. He should heed Boehner's advice to his Congressmen and tone it down.
He's hurting his party and I wouldn't be surprised if I hear voices from the right begin to call him out on his issues forcefully soon.
Yes. Turkey's in a strong fiscal position relative to other major European powers. And, yes, they have engendered some political stability after they removed oppositional elements within the armed forces. Again, reasons to be bullish on Turkey's trajectory. Although, I'm not sure the parameters you use to qualify Turkey as the "biggest" NATO force; they certainly do not surpass the U.S. Nevertheless, they don't possess the capacity to achieve "tier 1" status; I presume tier 1 is reserved for the most powerful states.
jamesinclair
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Paul swept yesterdays Maine caucuses.
Like in Iowa, Romney was announced the winner before actually winning.
Town of Clinton (Kennebec Co.): Paul 4, Romney 2
Eight towns in Hancock County: Paul 41, Santorum 17, Romney 16, Gingrich 9
Washington County: Paul 163, Romney 80, Santorum 57, Gingrich 4, Undecided 2
Eastbrook (separate caucus in Hancock Co.): Paul 19, Santorum 8, Romney 7, Gingrich 0
Like in Iowa, Romney was announced the winner before actually winning.
Town of Clinton (Kennebec Co.): Paul 4, Romney 2
Eight towns in Hancock County: Paul 41, Santorum 17, Romney 16, Gingrich 9
Washington County: Paul 163, Romney 80, Santorum 57, Gingrich 4, Undecided 2
Eastbrook (separate caucus in Hancock Co.): Paul 19, Santorum 8, Romney 7, Gingrich 0
TacticalFox88
Banned
Russia not in Tier 1? Really? Come on now.
Byakuya769
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But what tier is Devil Kazuya?
So these one hundred million Turks are going to drive an economy that can compete with a China of 1.4 billion or even a US economy of four hundred million?
Arrowgigantic
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Um, Romney still won. Just not by as much.
Nah.
Right now it's
Tier 1: U.S.
Tier 2: Russia, China
Tier 3: India, UK, Turkey
Israel, South Korea, France, Germany, and a few others are either in Tier 3 or the one below it.
Over the next few decades, I'd expect the U.S. and China to equalize somewhat, but they'll be in a class by themselves. If Europe is considered as a single military force, they'd be on that level, but I don't see that happening.
Right now, France and Germany certainly are far more influential than Turkey. That will inevitably change in the coming decades, but for now, that's how it is.
speculawyer
Member
Yeah it doesn't look like it changed anything . . . just narrowed Romney's margin of victory a little bit. So much of the the great tide of votes that could push Ron Paul over the top. It would have been really funny if the result switched.
speculawyer
Member
Apparently he can't help himself. He thinks he surged because of his views. He surged because Gingrich flamed-out and Santorum was the last non-Romney standing. All he had to do was act like an average person for a few days but he couldn't pull it off.
Lucky Forward
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jamesinclair
Banned
This guy makes everything sexist.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
Japan? Scheduled to lose a third of their population. Though I admit that I overlooked Korea's population decline.
Indonesia? Too poor. And going nowhere from what I understand.
Pakistan? I have doubts.
Russia's aging population would kill them.
I'm talking about the not so distant future.
I don't even know what China can be defined as.
Communist with strong free market elements?
Autocracy Capitalist?
The Librarian
Banned
Isn't China going to have a (aging) population problem within the next half century?
I was strictly referring to their military. I don't expect them to surpass us at any point in the foreseeable future, especially considering that we have 11 carrier battle groups, while they have a total of one aircraft carrier which is currently under construction. Nevertheless, I'd expect them to get closer to parity over the next few decades.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
Tier lists? Is this the Marvel thread?
2012 Edition Tiers
God Tier:
Top Tier:
Low Tier:
2050 Edition Tiers (projected)
Top Tier:
Low Tier:
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
And a shortage of females.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
Yeah but it STARTS in the next half century. And they're population is going to be over a billion and a half when it starts.
It could lose half of its population in a hundred years and still be a force to be reckon with.
state-of-the-art
Member
They prefer the term market socialism, but really I think the most accurate description is state capitalism.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
China is going to have to dump trillions into caring for its aging/waning populace by 2050. That will definitely put an immense strain on their economy, but as long as the world uses it as the communal labor force, they will definitely be top tier. America is going to be demoted if they don't start worrying about infrastructure, health care and budgets.
When a fair portion of your yearly budget goes to merely paying down interest on debt already incurred, you know you are leaving little else for what really needs to be done.
When a fair portion of your yearly budget goes to merely paying down interest on debt already incurred, you know you are leaving little else for what really needs to be done.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Saw a bunch of anti-Santorum ads while watching NBA games today, and they weren't PAC ads either; straight up attack ads from Romney's campaign.
Also saw a panel on a local news station featuring a Santorum and Romney surrogate going at it, while the democrat surrogate laughed his ass off.
Seems like the auto bailout argument was not whether it was successful, but whether government should interfere with the private market. What a tortured argument, given the results of the bailout.
Also saw a panel on a local news station featuring a Santorum and Romney surrogate going at it, while the democrat surrogate laughed his ass off.
Seems like the auto bailout argument was not whether it was successful, but whether government should interfere with the private market. What a tortured argument, given the results of the bailout.
It's even more tortured when it's brought up that the private market wasn't capable of stepping in, coming during the midst of the financial crisis as it did. The option just wasn't there, so the government was the last resort. But that's too much nuance for the kind of shitbrained stuff going on in this election.
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Wonkblog has a good article up on what Empty Vessel has been arguing for a while now.
jamesinclair
Banned
Here is how I would conduct an interview with Mr Romney:
-If a company like GM is going under, and they have so much value (brand etc) what would a private company, someone like Bain do?
R-Take it over and restructure it for pete's sake!
-Excellent. And you were saying that as a businessman, you would make a great president because you would run this country as a business would be run?
-R-Absolutely
-And since a business would take over a company like GM and restructure it, and you would run the government as a business, than you would do exactly what Obama did, correct?
-R- :O
They're way ahead of you. The two concurrent theories, often from the same mouth are that it didn't work. The bailout didn't work. GM and Chrysler survived by making better cars. But again, often from the same mouths, if it did work, it was accounted wrong and should have had the money moved around differently. This is literally the party line. Even from Michigan's own GOP chairman, who is a fucktard, btw.
Black Republican
Member
Team Romney aint letting no Santorum surge in MI happen:
PPP
Michigan: Santorum 37, Romney 33, Paul 15, Gingrich 10:
PPP
Michigan: Santorum 37, Romney 33, Paul 15, Gingrich 10:
http://t.co/cgiGae1U
The Librarian
Banned
I'm not sure how much that is Romney as it is PPP polling a smaller share of Evangelicals (48% vs 41%).
https://twitter.com/#!/fivethirtyeight/status/171433841842585600
cartoon_soldier
Member
Seems like it is painting a more accurate picture.
Doesn't Michigan have early voting? That will give Romney a big edge here I think.
Narpas Sword0
Member
GM was making good cars for years before the bailout, but no one was giving them a look until the government gave it the stamp of approval
Chrysler had half assed cars due to The stewardship of a shitstain peer ofnbain capital. A mild refresh of their lineup led to a sales explosion
I can't wait for general election debates on this
PhoenixDark
Banned
Any serious republican has to be concerned about Romney here. He has shown a complete inability to beat anyone unless he heavily floods the market with negative ads; Citizen's United is literally the only reason he's not bailing out his own campaign with personal cash right now.
Santorum was going to fall eventually, it was a matter of time given the money situation. I still think he can squeak out a win considering Michigan primary voters will be pretty right wing. But I'd give the edge to Romney. He has the ground game and establishment support here.
IMO Santorum should have gone all-in for Michigan, just as Gingrich did for SC. He should have attempted to convince Friess to give him $5m for PAC ads because this is all or nothing. If Santorum loses he'll still have a place in the race, but we'll be even closer to Romney taking the nomination. If he wins Michigan he throws everything out of whack for the party, and just might force a new candidate to enter the race.
Gingrich will be fighting over the south with Santorum on Super Tuesday while Romney can focus on the other states.
Santorum was going to fall eventually, it was a matter of time given the money situation. I still think he can squeak out a win considering Michigan primary voters will be pretty right wing. But I'd give the edge to Romney. He has the ground game and establishment support here.
IMO Santorum should have gone all-in for Michigan, just as Gingrich did for SC. He should have attempted to convince Friess to give him $5m for PAC ads because this is all or nothing. If Santorum loses he'll still have a place in the race, but we'll be even closer to Romney taking the nomination. If he wins Michigan he throws everything out of whack for the party, and just might force a new candidate to enter the race.
Gingrich will be fighting over the south with Santorum on Super Tuesday while Romney can focus on the other states.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
Very interesting.
Though the article did seem to have some sort of, well I won't say bias but tied to opinions.
I am shocked that China gets so much of its revenue from state ran companies. I thought 2/3rds of the nations companies were private?
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