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[AniHawk]

I can hardly wait to see what the state-by-state polls begin to show in a few days.

with the second debate just four days away, they're not going to matter for very long.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

It's the definition of an objective perspective. I've said I thought Biden clearly won, but polls are showing mixed opinions - therefore the debate was more of a tie or slim Biden win, than a unanimous decision (like last week when Obama clearly lost)

The more important part is if it fires up Dems again

 

[The Librarian]

Is there a full video of the debate up yet?

I heard Ryan defended SS privatization at one point. Is that true? lmao if true.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Taking snap polls seriously? Really?

My first reaction was to respond in kind but then I remembered we aren't on the other thread.

No issues with thekad here.

 

[Futurevoid]

I thought Biden won the debate handily. I have a cousin on Facebook that posted he was an arrogant pompous ass. I sort of laughed at that as that just seems to be Joe's general demeanor.

 

[Aaron Strife]

I'd argue conservatives are going to be a lot more hard-pressed to admit they lost a debate than liberals are. Liberals are too used to throwing their candidates and policies under a bus to save face.

 

[Byakuya769]

Haha, I guess this is where poligaf starts "unskewing" polls they don't agree with by arguing about oversampling and "bad" internals?

 

[kaching]

I would say that, just judging by personality and stuff. Biden was right, of course, but he was a smirking jackass through a lot of it.

Smirking? He was outright laughing at the sheer outlandishness of Ryan's claims. "Smirking" is the way to call it so it seems more insidious, right?

 

[TacticalFox88]

 

[MasterShotgun]

Is there a full video of the debate up yet?

I heard Ryan defended SS privatization at one point. Is that true? lmao if true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3roG09O6T4

 

[markatisu]

The tears from my right leaning friends are so delicious. They are coming up with every reason why Ryan lost from the moderator being unfair to Biden being too mean

Seriously we are talking about the potential VP of the USA and too mean is being thrown around LOL

 

[Officerrob]

Haha, I guess this is where poligaf starts "unskewing" polls they don't agree with by arguing about oversampling and "bad" internals?

To be fair, the CNN snap poll last week was 100% southern whites over 50 years old. Ever seen a poll like that before?

 

[PhoenixDark]

AP poll: Ryan 51 Biden 43.

 

[RDreamer]

Haha, I guess this is where poligaf starts "unskewing" polls they don't agree with by arguing about oversampling and "bad" internals?

The poll itself says it's skewed.

 

[Thagomizer]

I think my Facebook needs a purge. Not for dissent, but for flailing ignorance and week-old hypocrisy and apparent amnesia.

I assume your "private" facebook is under a different name? Because I can't imagine you'd be able to have one with your real name without 24/7 spam from children and manchildren.

 

[Tamanon]

Wrong thread dangit!

Still, lol Steelers.

 

[thekad]

A single poll with oversampled republican debate watchers has it tied.

And a single poll has Biden up (though with a fairly large lead). We'll find out what this debate meant, if anything, in a few days with actual polls.

Haha, I guess this is where poligaf starts "unskewing" polls they don't agree with by arguing about oversampling and "bad" internals?

Some polls do have bad internals.

 

[NullPointer]

Seriously we are talking about the potential VP of the USA and too mean is being thrown around LOL

Tell them that if you're not projecting strength you're projecting weakness.

Tell them its a matter of credibility.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Good grief the Philip DeFranco Show is retarded:

"Do you think people are angry that we have freedom? Or that we are doing things over there?"

"Oh, that's the Ron Paul thing, yeah, I don't know really. They are so extreme and outlandish, and so fundamentalist, that no, I do think it's something in them that makes them hate our freedom"

Why the heck are they a featured channel on youtube for this year's election?

 

[The Lamonster]

Anyone who doesn't think Biden killed it tonight is a damn fool.

 

[B-Dubs]

AP poll: Ryan 51 Biden 43.

In what goddamn universe were these people living?

 

[Cheebo]

AP snap poll: Ryan 51 Biden 43.

 

[Red Blaster]

Why da fuq is the CBS poll of undecided voters so different the AP poll

 

[The Librarian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3roG09O6T4

Lovely.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

There seems to be a lot of surprise over all this.

Aggression turns some voters off.

This is why we all know Obama can never be what Biden was tonight, ever.

 

[PhoenixDark]

So...two polls for Ryan, one poll for Biden. Seems like a basic tie: both parties get to claim victory and whip out a poll

 

[Officerrob]

AP snap poll: Ryan 51 Biden 43.

With that, I'm out for the night. I'm not sure I share the same air with these people

 

[Loudninja]

I am done.

 

[Tim-E]

There's no use in worrying about "snap" polls; this debate was never going to swing the race in either direction. It did its job of giving the democrats some enthusiasm again.

 

[thekad]

So...two polls for Ryan, one poll for Biden. Seems like a basic tie

That's not how you aggregate polls. Especially polls that are sampling different voters.

 

[Cloudy]

In what goddamn universe were these people living?

Unlike Democrats, Republicans won't throw their guy under the bus. Maybe Dems could learn something from this. A big reason for the over-the-top coverage lambasting Obama was the Left's insane reaction.

 

[BrokenFiction]

There's no use in worrying about "snap" polls; this debate was never going to swing the race in either direction. It did its job of giving the democrats some enthusiasm again.

Mostly this. Joe did the bulldog thing brilliantly. He brought everything back up to even levels by showing the Democrats what backbone looks like.

 

[markatisu]

So...two polls for Ryan, one poll for Biden. Seems like a basic tie: both parties get to claim victory and whip out a poll

Ryan will never get to claim Victory, he is done in politics because when he returns back nobody is going to take him seriously after this. The GOP has been looking for reasons to shut him up, not ready for primetime is the best reason.

 

[Cheebo]

Noticing the CNN analysis sharply shifting to declaring Ryan won from a draw after the snap polls are coming in.

 

[thefro]

AP snap poll: Ryan 51 Biden 43.

I'm not seeing any source for that other than some knucklehead on twitter.

 

[Black Mamba]

There's no use in worrying about "snap" polls; this debate was never going to swing the race in either direction. It did its job of giving the democrats some enthusiasm again.

Exactly. And Dems can claim victory for themselves and how Biden destroyed Ryan and that makes them feel better.

Should help them. No Way Repub enthusiasm went up from this.

 

[NullPointer]

Unlike Democrats, Republicans won't throw their guy under the bus. Maybe Dems could learn something from this. A big reason for the over-the-top coverage lambasting Obama was the Left's insane reaction.

Yes, lets be more like Republicans.

When Obama fucks up we'll just pretend he won. Its all good.

There is balance now, which is good. Biden's work tonight gives Obama more flexibility in the next debate. He still needs to call out the bullshit, and he DOES, but he can do it in quieter tones.

 

[Jooney]

First post in Poligaf in a while.

One thing that I wish Joe brought up how Ryan's plan didn't balance the budget till 2040. It would have completely undermined any credibility Ryan has with this issue.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Exactly. And Dems can claim victory for themselves and how Biden destroyed Ryan and that makes them feel better.

Should help them. No Way Repub enthusiasm went up from this.

Repub enthusiasm doesn't need to go up - it's already very high.

 

[Jackson50]

It's the definition of an objective perspective. I've said I thought Biden clearly won, but polls are showing mixed opinions - therefore the debate was more of a tie or slim Biden win, than a unanimous decision (like last week when Obama clearly lost)

I'm certain I didn't thank you for bringing a subjective perspective. Keep bringing the good analysis.

 

[markatisu]

Should help them. No Way Repub enthusiasm went up from this.

Nope, last week showed me what its like when the GOP is excited.

Tonight they were not excited

 

[Chumly]

I can't believe you guys are concerned about republicans admitting defeat. Republicans always stand with their own. The polls were never going to be like they were with Obama. Democrats readily admit defeat.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Has zero to do with that.

Yes, it does.

While that Biden performance was red (or should I say blue) meat for the down trodden base, it was very fierce and at times condescending.

To his credit, Ryan remained calm throughout and for some people, that matters.

And when Biden looked into the camera and told the America people to use "common sense", I could see that as being somewhat off-putting--a guy telling me that I don't know what's good for me.

I could see that alone causing a disconnect with voters.

 

[RDreamer]

I really hope this destroys Ryan's future political prospects toward the white house. Hopefully he loses this one and goes home... and then loses somewhere down the line.

And when Biden looked into the camera and told the America people to use "common sense", I could see that as being somewhat off-putting--a guy telling me that I don't know what's good for me.

Really? I thought those were the best points for Biden.

 

[Red Blaster]

Chuck Todd giving me dat hopium

saying Republican body language coming out was not the same as last week while Dems were elated

 

[Eidan]

What debate were AP and CNN respondents watching?

 

[Black Mamba]

Repub enthusiasm doesn't need to go up - it's already very high.

That wasn't going to change no matter what. He needed to fire Dems up.

 

[norinrad]

Dear PoliGAF, your Yuropean friend just got out of bed.

Please please tell me things are back to normal and that honest Joe, slaughtered him piece by piece?

 

[thekad]

Chuck Todd giving me dat hopium

saying Republican body language coming out was not the same as last week while Dems were elated

"common sense"

 

[metalslimer]

Haha I'm already people talking about how condescending Biden was on the radio around here. Why is no one actually focusing on the actual content of the debate?

Please please tell me things are back to normal and that honest Joe, slaughtered him piece by piece?

He did, but apparently no one cares because Biden laughed at Ryan's lies and called him out on it.